- Location
- Mexico
If we are going shopping on Chaos Vegas we can get at most sparkling wine and hershey's.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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NexusEye
Aspiring God
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- She/Her
We've already killed the possibly Keeper of Secret, the Greater Deamon that headed east is a Lord of Change.
Qrech said that it would be considered blasphemy to teach High Queekish to a non-Skaven. You won't find many Skaven all that eager to blaspheme against the Horned Rat.
In Skaven society, those that have magic do everything within their power to prevent those that don't from getting their hands on it. That's what the power of the Grey Seers is built upon, and a big part of the power of Skryre, Eshin, Moulder, and Pestilens. If Skaven magic-users carried spellbooks around with them to warzones and all it took to get one's hands on those secrets was a pilfering or a mugging and then blame it on the enemy, then those secrets would not still be secrets, they would have spread throughout the entirety of Skaven society millennia ago.
- Location
- Under your bed
Soooo how likely are we to convince Qrech that the horned rat might not be the best deity given enough time?
How long do Skaven live anyway?
How long do Skaven live anyway?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Very few die of old age, but IIRC something like 30~40?
The issue is that Skaven are not merely conditioned to serve the Horned Rat, they are soul bound to it. To put this into perspective, there is no indication of a Skaven serving even the Four (well unless Pestilens are Nurglites with the skill of hiding in plain sight to make a Tzeench worshiper proud).
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Without Warpstone meds or any outside aid, the average Skaven will die of old age not long after reaching the age of 20. There are examples of longer lifespans, Sleek Sharpwit having been somewhere in his 60's by the time Queek killed him, though by that point he was almost incapable of moving under his own power without crutches.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
Ah. Finally, a worthy item to spend our Royal Boon™ on. We shall ask Belegar for royal influence in opening up a Bugmans brewery in K8P with us as its primary investor.
I apologize, but that is far beyond my power.
Not my favorite outcome, but one I can live with.
I mean Qrech already somewhat likes us and refused on basic religious doctrine. So unless you can convince a Skaven to switch to Ranald.
"I'm back, I wrote another book on Queekish: Queekish II High Queekish"
"What. When. How."
"A book. Inbetween pulling a Karaz back from the Warp and fighting through the choas wastes. Extensive bluffing."
...
"Be honest with me, are you actually Ranald in drag?"
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Something to consider is that Mathilde can illusion her self into looking, sounding and smelling like a Skaven. Getting taught high queekish is possible but it would require us to infilitrate for a lot longer than we would want to.
- Location
- Under your bed
pitty
means we probably wont get anything more valuable directly out of him
We can only hope that we can decipher high queeckish based on what we know on low queekish then
- Location
- Greece
"Bold of you to assume trickster gods aren't genderfluid by default"
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- E-Girl Deseret
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- She/Her
I always thought Pestilens unique theology was an attempt to merge the Horned Rat and Nurgle as one sort of uber-god, while the "mainstream" Horned Rat was some sort of up-jumped Tzeentch demon.
- Location
- Diamond City
I do like that implication that there are at least some Skaven willing to blaspheme against the Horned Rat. Of course, that could imply worshipping other Chaos Gods and Demons, to worshipping non-chaos gods, to perhaps there even being antitheist skavens. Of course, there being some skaven who are willing to blaspheme doesn't mean we have a high chance of being able to find those kinds of Skaven. Even if we did, that doesn't guarantee that we'd be bumping into skaven not affiliated with the forces of Chaos.
So if Mathilde can fake that she's a skaven from a hostile with the Coin she could get High Queekish or specific Clan lingo more easily from skaven prisoners?
Try it and find out.
- Location
- UK
...Huh, I sorta wonder, if we were to just sneak around a Skaven settlement and leave low Queekish, basic guides on magic for random Skaven to pick up, how much of a destabilising influence would that have on their society?
In the long term it could go horribly wrong of course, but maybe to 'soften up' targets for the near future?
Very interesting...
- Location
- Greece
Guild secrecy hurts a civ at large much, much more that informational freedom of even the most dangerous thing. Let us not sabotage the Skaven from sabotaging the Skaven, please.
It would be very destabilizing to give the Skaven more firepower, but probably not in the way you're hoping.
- Location
- Leeds
Personally I think persuasion is all in how you phrase it.
Surely this plan is flawless and guaranteed to succeed.
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If you're reading this then:
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
And it's Mathilde's fault. Actually, I wonder if he might try to pay Vlag a visit himself, see about shoring up their defenses once they've accepted their return.
Of course not, she's his long lost daughter!
Actually, no, Ranald would never cheat on Shallya like that. Maybe she's just a descendant from when he was still mortal...
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- Location
- Greece
Personally I think persuasion is all in how you phrase it.
Surely this plan is flawless and guaranteed to succeed.
Skaven are not Praesi, they have no religious obligation to backstab even their gods, in fact, the Horned Rat commands the exact oppossite.
- Location
- Leeds
Sorry I had put in the
's and the little comment at the end because I thought that was enought to indicate I was not serious. I'll try and clarify.My guess on the Skaven magic system from thingds we have seen so far.
Dhar tongs all the way down.
We know Eshin at least use Ulgu-Dhar tongs. We have seen the eshin sorcerer in action.
We have circumstantial evidence Skyre use Azyr-Dhar tongs. All of their tech runs on warpstone fuelled lightning which can be replaced using Azyr batteries.
Their sorcerers use warp lightning which looks exactly like warpstone corrupted Azyr magic. Their verminlords from wiis also scry the future and I think that extends down to the normal warp sorcerers.
We have two other major clans and I am guessing them like this.
Moulder - Ghur-Dhar tongs. Ghur has its own spells that turn you into monsters, and we have statements from the mage that built the menhir that without the practice you would lose your mind over time. Moulders mutations are the effect unleashed without any of the safeties, and then using Dhar to add raw power until you start to get successes. But don't worry its someone else dying from the consequences.
Pestilens - Ghyran-Dhar tongs. The lore of plagues brings life in such a way that it chokes out all other life and causes it to die. Would also explain how they have plagues without the Horned Rat counting them as Nurgle worshippers. As he tends to be a rather jealous god, and still ended the first Skaven Civil War in such a way that it kept Pestilens around.
That still puts the language of how to communicate them as about as separate as different winds of magic are for the Imperial Colleges of Magic.
There are also probably other minor skaven clans that have Aqshy, Chamon and Hysh. But we haven't seen them in the old world and they remain minor clans.
Shyish is banned, because they stole the original idea from Nagash when dealing with and fighting him over warpstone was their major introduction into magic.
Dhar tongs all the way down.
We know Eshin at least use Ulgu-Dhar tongs. We have seen the eshin sorcerer in action.
We have circumstantial evidence Skyre use Azyr-Dhar tongs. All of their tech runs on warpstone fuelled lightning which can be replaced using Azyr batteries.
Their sorcerers use warp lightning which looks exactly like warpstone corrupted Azyr magic. Their verminlords from wiis also scry the future and I think that extends down to the normal warp sorcerers.
We have two other major clans and I am guessing them like this.
Moulder - Ghur-Dhar tongs. Ghur has its own spells that turn you into monsters, and we have statements from the mage that built the menhir that without the practice you would lose your mind over time. Moulders mutations are the effect unleashed without any of the safeties, and then using Dhar to add raw power until you start to get successes. But don't worry its someone else dying from the consequences.
Pestilens - Ghyran-Dhar tongs. The lore of plagues brings life in such a way that it chokes out all other life and causes it to die. Would also explain how they have plagues without the Horned Rat counting them as Nurgle worshippers. As he tends to be a rather jealous god, and still ended the first Skaven Civil War in such a way that it kept Pestilens around.
That still puts the language of how to communicate them as about as separate as different winds of magic are for the Imperial Colleges of Magic.
There are also probably other minor skaven clans that have Aqshy, Chamon and Hysh. But we haven't seen them in the old world and they remain minor clans.
Shyish is banned, because they stole the original idea from Nagash when dealing with and fighting him over warpstone was their major introduction into magic.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Which is a damn shame. Skaven are totally cunning and crazy enough to pull it off if they wanted. Then again the Horned Rat's a bitch or a god, so it's no wonder the Gods Below have cooler followers.