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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Aranfan said:
I wonder how they'd feel if Mathilde became a necromancer for purposes of vengence. It has been discussed before, but the only way the thread has mostly agreed to go with Necromancy is if the skaven assasinate belegar then we could go necromancer so we can burn down skavenblight.

Especially if we empty Karak Drazh to get the initial army of undead, the dawi might have mixed feelings.

Obviously us being too shoddy to properly hold our vengence. But I imagine there would be some sympathy, at least at first.
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Fun fact, we do currently have the Protector Coin active.

So if our War of Vengence happened to save people...
 
Aranfan said:
I wonder how they'd feel if Mathilde became a necromancer for purposes of vengence. It has been discussed before, but the only way the thread has mostly agreed to go with Necromancy is if the skaven assasinate belegar then we could go necromancer so we can burn down skavenblight.
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Mathilde going necromancer would start a reaction chain of "oh shit" from whoever first found out through the Colleges of Magic all the way to the Emperor.

That's the stuff where the old Dragomas quote comes back:
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Dragomas squints down at the book, and takes a great deal more time to examine each page than Algard did, but he still soaks in its implications. "Ah. You get the Emperor, I'll find the Reiksmarshal-"
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With the wham-line being hidden in her library.
 
I mean, if we were going to go Necromancy I'd vote to keep that hidden and see how long we can go without being discovered.

Throw on an outfit that doesn't fit our usual appearance, leave our staff at home, don't summon the sword unless we are about to die, maybe wear a mask, use our absurd travel time to appear to be somewhere far away at the same time, etc, etc, etc.

Hell, use magic to appear to be a Skaven and raise an army in the middle of Skaven Blight/any Skaven clan. That place has to have so many corpses.

Be the Skaven Necromancer of legend.
 
Question: Since Karak Vlag is following canon lore with how it was attacked and brought into the Warp by Slaanesh, did the Hunt of the Vlagians also happen in Quest-verse @BoneyM?

If so, was the so-called Crown of Thungrigg mentioned in the Wiki page also lost, and is it the Crown linked to Karak Vlag's Waystone, the same way Belegar's crown works?
 
Resonant said:
Question: Since Karak Vlag is following canon lore with how it was attacked and brought into the Warp by Slaanesh, did the Hunt of the Vlagians also happen in Quest-verse @BoneyM?

If so, was the so-called Crown of Thungrigg mentioned in the Wiki page also lost, and is it the Crown linked to Karak Vlag's Waystone, the same way Belegar's crown works?
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If you want those answers, Mathilde has to go get them.
 
King Arthur said:
I mean, if we were going to go Necromancy I'd vote to keep that hidden and see how long we can go without being discovered.

Throw on an outfit that doesn't fit our usual appearance, leave our staff at home, don't summon the sword unless we are about to die, maybe wear a mask, use our absurd travel time to appear to be somewhere far away at the same time, etc, etc, etc.

Hell, use magic to appear to be a Skaven and raise an army in the middle of Skaven Blight/any Skaven clan. That place has to have so many corpses.

Be the Skaven Necromancer of legend.
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I like this idea. Vigilante necromancer that kills skaven with skaven. Or orcs with orcs.

But first we need to establish a backstory for how we are getting our paws on all that loot.
 
@BoneyM In the case, we end up going into the Skaven combes, can we use Mathilde´s ignorance to check if a Text is about magic? I mean, she knows most of the Skaven lexicon but she doesn't know the magic one, so she can skim through a book and if she doesn´t understand it, it is probably a magical text...
 
storryeater said:
Sometimes I wish the dawi had a less literal/more poetic streak.

"And then Mathilde came and said to the mountain: "you are no mere mountain, you are a Karak" and the mountain obeyed her"
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When you spend a large part of your life underground, you develop a very literal mind. Dwarfs have no use for metaphor and simile. Rocks are hard and darkness is dark. Start messing around with descriptions like these and you're in real trouble.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
@BoneyM In the case, we end up going into the Skaven combes, can we use Mathilde´s ignorance to check if a Text is about magic? I mean, she knows most of the Skaven lexicon but she doesn't know the magic one, so she can skim through a book and if she doesn´t understand it, it is probably a magical text...
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No. There's no chance whatsoever that books on magic would be in Low Queekish. They'd be in either High Queekish or a clan dialect.
 
If Uzkulak wins here, this could really be a fascinating opportunity, both in and out of character. This is somewhere that Mathilde could have a conversation with a vampire without them trying to kill each other, or with a rogue Tomb King, or with a Skyre Warlock-Engineer, or with a Dark Elf, or with so many people that we'd never normally get a chance to speak with, let alone trade with.

There could be some dilemmas thrown up here. I'm not sure if I'd be willing to trade a lecture on Waaagh & Peace to a vampire, liche priest, or dark elf sorceress, in truth for their magical secrets, but I'm also not sure that I wouldn't be, as it would probably reduce the amount they preyed on the forces of order as the greenskins would be more attractive targets.

In many ways, as a Grey Wizard Lord Magister, it seems in theme for the spy genre to have deniable back channel communication with your opposite numbers on the other side, and Uzkulak seems like the obvious place for clandestine meetings and trades.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
I thought the low/high/clan language distinctions were about the spoken language only. With the written form being homogeneous? Unless you mean the actual magical vocabulary of each clan has it's own specific words?
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To be fair, the Harbingers of Mutation of Clan Moulder, the Warlock-Engineers of Clan Skyre, the Sorcerers of Clan Eshin, and the Plague Priests of Clan Pestilens probably have completely different magical paradigms that would be reflected in having totally different magical lexicons.
 
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BoneyM said:
No. There's no chance whatsoever that books on magic would be in Low Queekish. They'd be in either High Queekish or a clan dialect.
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IIRC you said some time ago that the lexicon and grammar of written Queekish was common for all the Skaven dialects and that the differences between the dialects were mostly applied to the spoken forms...

And you used this clip to illustrate how things would work between the different dialects, even if they had a common written language.



Edit: I found it.

BoneyM said:
Written Queekish is centralized, because only the most important Skaven need to be literate and they either spend time at Skavenblight or do most of their written communicating with those that do, and the Grey Seers enforce a single written dialect as a means of social control. Spoken Queekish is decentralized, because every Skaven is using it and most of those that do don't ever leave where they were born except to go to war, so there'd be Clan dialects and there'd be stronghold-specific subdialects. There'd be no way of learning about spoken dialects from written communications.

'High' Queekish, which many of those in Skavenblight would consider the only true Queekish, is the Skavenblight dialect. 'Low' Queekish is a sort of pidgin language built out of the lowest common linguistic denominators of Queekish.
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BoneyM said:
Closer to this:


Theoretically it's one common language, but the dialects have diverged so far that mutual intelligibility is often lost.



Next to no chance.
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Alratan said:
To be fair, the Harbingers of Mutation of Clan Moulder, the Warlock-Engineers, the Sorcerers of Clan Eshin, and the Plague Priests of Clan Pestilens probably have completely different magical paradigms that would be reflected in having totally different magical lexicons.
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Right, that was what I was thinking. Though even then you'd think a few of the absolute basic building block words would be shared between them.
 
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Things seem like they have solidified a bit.
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Thomasfoolery said:
I thought the low/high/clan language distinctions were about the spoken language only. With the written form being homogeneous? Unless you mean the actual magical vocabulary of each clan has it's own specific words?
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LightLan said:
Wasn't only the spoken Language fragmented by clan?

We did collect writings from four clans.
Moulder, Eshin, Mors and Skryre.
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Fanhunter696 said:
IIRC you said some time ago that the lexicon and grammar of written Queekish was common for all the Skaven dialects and that the differences between the dialects were mostly applied to the spoken forms...

And you used this clip to illustrate how things would work between the different dialects, even if they had a common written language.

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I stand very corrected. I didn't give it much thought because it's astronomically unlikely that the Skaven would keep books of actual magic on the front line of an eternal warzone. But if they have decided to do so, I suppose Mathilde could identify the books as such.

Ericwinter said:
Eh, I'd be cool finding High Queekish books anyways. Are High and Low Queekish close enough to work out translations?
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Mathilde has no idea.
 
BoneyM said:
I stand very corrected. I didn't give it much thought because it's astronomically unlikely that the Skaven would keep books of actual magic on the front line of an eternal warzone. But if they have decided to do so, I suppose Mathilde could identify the books as such.
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...you know, my thought was to ask whether we might be able to kidnap someone who might know High Queekish and trick them into teaching us, but that's probably as hard as it would be to convince Qrech, if not harder.
 
BoneyM said:
I stand very corrected. I didn't give it much thought because it's astronomically unlikely that the Skaven would keep books of actual magic on the front line of an eternal warzone. But if they have decided to do so, I suppose Mathilde could identify the books as such.
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Well, I think that if there is some kind of Skaven magic-user deployed on that front, there will always be some chances of finding magic books...
 
Ericwinter said:
...you know, my thought was to ask whether we might be able to kidnap someone who might know High Queekish and trick them into teaching us, but that's probably as hard as it would be to convince Qrech, if not harder.
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Personally I think Mathilde has done more than enough on the queekish dialect front unless something new that's relevant to her crops up. At this point the people that have a pressing need to understand the language of a specific clan (If that's even possible) have more than enough of a foundation to work off.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Let's wait to see how things go with Dum before we break out the champagne and chocolates. Things can still go horribly wrong at frightening speeds - for one thing, Mathilde probably has a personal grudge from Slannesh at this point, and is about to head into the Chaos Wastes.
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What are you talking about? We saved Karak Vlag and it is very unlikely that it'll be unsaved, even if we die next update we'll still get post mortem headpats, so champagne and chocolates are justified.
 
Ericwinter said:
...you know, my thought was to ask whether we might be able to kidnap someone who might know High Queekish and trick them into teaching us, but that's probably as hard as it would be to convince Qrech, if not harder.
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I don´t know, Qrech is, by skaven standards, almost unnaturally loyal to its clan, I would say it would be significantly easier to convince the hypothetical future prisoner than it would be to convince him.
 
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