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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I'll say that I feel a bit guilty before Borek with the death of the Slayers when liberating Karak Vlag, but I keep telling myself that it was a moral and just decision. We've robbed Chaos of a vital stronghold and saved Ranald knows how many Dawrves from a horrible way to die, stuck in the warp with Slaneeshi hostiles.
 
Andres110 said:
Dwarves age slow. He wouldn't look very much different now to how he'd look 40 years from now. Maybe his hairs are closer to grey than white but eh.
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Pretty sure he's still got pale brown in his beard these days.

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BoneyM said:
Belegar Ironhammer stands at the head of one of them, brooding over a collection of maps and papers and flanked by other dwarves. Unlike two of the others, his hair has not yet faded to white, and though his beard reaches to his knees its pale brown colour betrays his relative youth. The hammer he took his name from rests on the floor, it's handle leaned against the table. According to legend, he swore an oath the day he came of age that he will reclaim Karak Eight Peaks or die in the attempt, and for the past sixty years has been gathering every scrap of support there was to be had. Now at ninety years of age, he is in the prime of his life and ready to finally fulfil his oath, one way or the other.
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He's young for a dwarf lord.
 
Asheram said:
I'll say that I feel a bit guilty before Borek with the death of the Slayers when liberating Karak Vlag, but I keep telling myself that it was a moral and just decision. We've robbed Chaos of a vital stronghold and saved Ranald knows how many Dawrves from a horrible way to die, stuck in the warp with Slaneeshi hostiles.
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On the contrary, Borek is the one who would have to feel guilty complaining about the deaths of the Slayers. What's he going to say, that they should have put off their spiritual salvation until their deaths could be of maximum benefit to him personally? He might feel that, but he can't say it aloud without shaming himself.
 
Briefvoice said:
On the contrary, Borek is the one who would have to feel guilty complaining about the deaths of the Slayers. What's he going to say, that they should have put off their spiritual salvation until their deaths could be of maximum benefit to him personally? He might feel that, but he can't say it aloud without shaming himself.
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Also now we use their living quarters to store more stuff as we find it.
 
And, as a rather... cynical point. The death of the slayers gave us a remarkable increase in voting power as the human troops now equal-to-outnumbers the Dwarves.
 
I've seen people mention a paper, but I'm not sure that's even applicable.
This was a very very specific instance of course, but the solution was hardly innovative. The specifics of what Mathilde did were things that didn't take too much thought or effort for her. She is not of average skill or knowledge, but no-one who would be in a state to do something like this would be, so they would probably already know. Or think of something similar.
Besides that, this paper would be incredibly forbidden to read for almost everyone.
It's about waystones, knowledge about those is restricted.
It's also about an ultimately internal Dwarven matter. People are of course free to discuss it, the Wolves and other wizards already know something happened, so it's no state secret, but it's hardly relevant for the Empire.

I just don't know if there's a paper in it.
 
Random thought: Karag Dum can't be abandoned. No "sane" Cultist, Chaos Dwarf, Skaven, or Daemon would let the Waystone network flow on unimpeded, especially when it can be used for so much.

ReImagined said:
Nope. ~200 knights, 13 wizards, 1 dragonlord, 1 ice witch.
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Ah, yes. Thank you. Well, it's a bit larger.
 
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Paper or no the DF will skyrocket.

Mathilde Weber, the only Loremaster who goes on a scouting mission and drags a Karag out of the warp in the progress.
 
Asheram said:
Random thought: Karag Dum can't be abandoned. No "sane" Cultist, Chaos Dwarf, Skaven, or Daemon would let the Waystone network flow on unimpeded, especially when it can be used for so much.
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DragonParadox said:
Never mind our DF, Belegar's political clout and that of radicalism in general is about to get a major shot in the arm. Not only was he responsible for retaking two karaks, two Old Holds, but both those instances involved very radical means.
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So once we got done locating the second group of survivers in as many month,we decided to go for broke and just reconqouer the bad lands.

And that's how we ended up invading the warp. Any questions?
 
There was a omake about that about Belegar reaction. It's unmarked but i think it's because BoneyM can't decide between sidestory or apocrypha ahah.
 
DragonParadox said:
Never mind our DF, Belegar's political clout and that of radicalism in general is about to get a major shot in the arm. Not only was he responsible for retaking two karaks, two Old Holds, but both those instances involved very radical means.
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Yea, plus with the protector working overtime to ensure that the news spreads this time? Mathilde pulling Karak Vlag out of the warp is going to lead to something more than just dwarf favour for Mathilde from the Karaz-Ankor. I assume some kind of great deed equivalent exists for the Dwarven empire and if we survive we'll have earned it.
 
If anything, just having a simple paper about how cultural and linguistic knowledge was vital for cracking open one of the biggest mysteries of the old world.

One of the main reasons we manage to crack this open beyond our wind sight. Was being able to pick up how dwarves were not using the correct words due to the magic.
 
SCO said:
There was a omake about that about Belegar reaction. It's unmarked but i think it's because BoneyM can't decide between sidestory or apocrypha ahah.
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Generally Boney only threadmarks omake that are longer than a few lines, even if they are extremely funny.

With regard to Vlag: remember that Protector applies to the people she directly protected, which in this case probably just means "the dwarves of Karak Vlag." By Word of Boney, it doesn't even include Kislev:
BoneyM said:
No, if you have to explain why it applies, it doesn't. 'It might have spat out daemons at some unspecified point in the future, or might not have, and those daemons might have attacked Kislev, or might have attacked somewhere else' doesn't have the ring zing to it.
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You don't have to explain why dragging Karak Vlag out of hell protected the dwarves there, but everything else is too indirect to benefit from Ranald's blessing.

That said, I completely agree that the people who hear about this are going to be pretty goddamn impressed. This adds another piece to the dwarf Waystone network for Thorgrim, all the other dwarves will be over the moon about their lost cousins being regained, High Pass will now be a safer place for people to go through, and the wizards will raise their eyebrows at "Mathilde spotted something that Teclis and Volans didn't." It's an incredible accomplishment by any definition. Just, with the exception of the Vlag dwarves themselves, we won't have Ranald amplifying our awesomeness.
 
picklepikkl said:
Generally Boney only threadmarks omake that are longer than a few lines, even if they are extremely funny.

With regard to Vlag: remember that Protector applies to the people she directly protected, which in this case probably just means "the dwarves of Karak Vlag." By Word of Boney, it doesn't even include Kislev:

You don't have to explain why dragging Karak Vlag out of hell protected the dwarves there, but everything else is too indirect to benefit from Ranald's blessing.

That said, I completely agree that the people who hear about this are going to be pretty goddamn impressed. This adds another piece to the dwarf Waystone network for Thorgrim, all the other dwarves will be over the moon about their lost cousins being regained, High Pass will now be a safer place for people to go through, and the wizards will raise their eyebrows at "Mathilde spotted something that Teclis and Volans didn't." It's an incredible accomplishment by any definition. Just, with the exception of the Vlag dwarves themselves, we won't have Ranald amplifying our awesomeness.
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While you could make the argument that most dwarfs don't know how recovering Vlag protected the Karaz Ankor, Thorgrim definitely knows even if he can't tell anyone directly. Our rep from him will probably be amplified.
 
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