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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Skryer is news to me too.

Of course, it also took me about ten years to realise it's Word Bearers, not World Bearers. Despite the fact that's way less thematic and there's also a legion called World Eaters.
 
Codex said:
Four characters added to Characters of Divided Loyalties.


I'm getting wordier and wordier. I should probably work on condensing things instead of doing a full blown analysis of a character we might never see again.

I thought about putting Drycha in historical and distant but I would have to confirm if she's actually what's causing this trouble. If I put in every historical/distant character that exists in Warhammer in that section I would be 80 years old by the time I finish.
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Nothing wrong with being wordy in the name of being informative and all the the above is useful.
 
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And you used word searches to argue against it. Since Codex was specifically talking about Boney's use, I assumed that your word search was restricted to only include Boney's posts.
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Ah fair, I get it now. My bad, I quoted a part of the post just to link it without thinking how it would look like.

From what I saw in searchbar Boney only had like 8 posts when you search Skyre, I'm pretty sure all of those results only showed up because Boney was quoting someone using Skyre.

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I think me making an error is a bigger problem than just anyone making an error, since I made several informational posts that people still refer to so that they can confirm stuff. If I make a mistake, there's a chance it can spread like a plague across the thread. Now I'll have to look over my previous posts to correct them, which I am not looking forward to. Hopefully I didn't talk about Skryre a lot.
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While I agree that you have a disproportionate presence in the thread, I don't think classifying this as an error has as big of an impact as you did.

Ahhhh, wordy shit. Hard to convey I think.

I think the spelling is inconsequential here other than pedantics, practically of course not technically.

It's self-evident from this discussion and the reactions that it didn't matter whether you typed it correctly or not. Boney even did type it correctly and a lot of people still internalized Skyre.

If you knew it was Skryre you always read Skyre as Skryre, same for the inverse.

If your point was that if you think you using the correct spelling would have mitigated this discrepancy, then fair I'm just saying it's not practical since the issue still stands. Unless they were reinformed, the same problem you had with Boney would happen to other people, Skyre people read it as Skyre while Skryre people read it as Skryre.

I'd like to note that this isn't actually fact just my opinion, people in the past and in the future will be born and die spelling tomorrow as tommorow for their entire lives. Schools will read their papers, their brain will block out the red line in MS Word, they'll read it spelled like that too.
 
I'm listening to a podcast of a Total War Youtuber interviewing Andy Hall about Lore and stuff for Total Warhammer 3 and I'm at the start. We're getting some vague Cathay stuff, which is neat. By far the funniest and most intriguing part is Andy Hall, the writer for Warhammer 3, comparing Li Dao (Fire Dragon) and the Monkey King's relationship to Yogi Bear and Ranger Smith.

I've never watched Yogi Bear, so I'm mostly mistifyed by the comparison.

According to wikipedia:

"Ranger Smith is sometimes very friendly with Yogi. In other episodes, he wants nothing more than to send Yogi away to the zoo. The attitudes of the Ranger towards Yogi usually parallel Yogi's behavior; if Yogi is up to mischief, then Smith wants to be rid of him; if Yogi is trying to behave himself, the ranger is often supportive. He seems to have a deep-down, if not grudging, respect for Yogi. Although the two have a somewhat antagonistic relationship, if serious trouble were to befall one of them, the other usually attempts to rescue him. They also have a long-running, friendly rivalry."

That sounds nice.
 
Codex said:
I'm listening to a podcast of a Total War Youtuber interviewing Andy Hall about Lore and stuff for Total Warhammer 3 and I'm at the start. We're getting some vague Cathay stuff, which is neat. By far the funniest and most intriguing part is Andy Hall, the writer for Warhammer 3, comparing Li Dao (Fire Dragon) and the Monkey King's relationship to Yogi Bear and Ranger Smith.

I've never watched Yogi Bear, so I'm mostly mistifyed by the comparison.

According to wikipedia:

"Ranger Smith is sometimes very friendly with Yogi. In other episodes, he wants nothing more than to send Yogi away to the zoo. The attitudes of the Ranger towards Yogi usually parallel Yogi's behavior; if Yogi is up to mischief, then Smith wants to be rid of him; if Yogi is trying to behave himself, the ranger is often supportive. He seems to have a deep-down, if not grudging, respect for Yogi. Although the two have a somewhat antagonistic relationship, if serious trouble were to befall one of them, the other usually attempts to rescue him. They also have a long-running, friendly rivalry."

That sounds nice.
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Yogi = mischief making to sometimes downright criminal behaviour (if not treating him, as you know, a bear.) but not ever really malicious, and sometimes downright heroic.

Ranger Smith = authority figure, but unlike how authority figures are usually pretreated in tv, he is an actual authority figure, his job is to keep the law-> then peace-> then look after the parks happiness. and how he interacts with the members of the park is based on that.
 
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Codex said:
I'm listening to a podcast of a Total War Youtuber interviewing Andy Hall about Lore and stuff for Total Warhammer 3 and I'm at the start. We're getting some vague Cathay stuff, which is neat. By far the funniest and most intriguing part is Andy Hall, the writer for Warhammer 3, comparing Li Dao (Fire Dragon) and the Monkey King's relationship to Yogi Bear and Ranger Smith.

I've never watched Yogi Bear, so I'm mostly mistifyed by the comparison.

According to wikipedia:

"Ranger Smith is sometimes very friendly with Yogi. In other episodes, he wants nothing more than to send Yogi away to the zoo. The attitudes of the Ranger towards Yogi usually parallel Yogi's behavior; if Yogi is up to mischief, then Smith wants to be rid of him; if Yogi is trying to behave himself, the ranger is often supportive. He seems to have a deep-down, if not grudging, respect for Yogi. Although the two have a somewhat antagonistic relationship, if serious trouble were to befall one of them, the other usually attempts to rescue him. They also have a long-running, friendly rivalry."

That sounds nice.
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More importantly how do they pronounce is Skyre or Skryre?
 
I still can't get over Eshin's aesthetic being like that, and then they hit you with the plot twist. Eshin got their secrets and practices by culturally appropriating Cathay, not Nippon, despite the Ninja aesthetic. It's truly baffling.

Well, it's probably better that they stopped at Cathay. Nippon is stuck in like 2nd or 3rd Edition lore where all the names are based off car brands or something. I've seen theories that Nippon is populated by sentient cars. I don't want the Skaven getting any ideas for their own inventions.
 
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I still can't get over Eshin's aesthetic being like that, and then they hit you with the plot twist. Eshin got their secrets and practices by culturally appropriating Cathay, not Nippon, despite the Ninja aesthetic. It's truly baffling.

Well, it's probably better that they stopped at Cathay. Nippon is stuck in like 2nd or 3rd Edition lore where all the names are based off car brands or something. I've seen theories that Nippon is populated by sentient cars. I don't want the Skaven getting any ideas for their own inventions.
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Eh? I thought they got secrets from both Cathay and Nippon. Was that changed?
 
ReImagined said:
Eh? I thought they got secrets from both Cathay and Nippon. Was that changed?
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Most sources say either Cathay or "Far East", but their base is in Cathay. Their boss also has this:

"What is known is that Sneek liked to dress in the style of the Far East, and had long nails he has allowed to grow out when he first became Nightlord of Clan Eshin, each nail tipped with the strange writings of Cathay."

They could have gone with the cliche weeaboo approach but they decided to go with the whatever the Chinese version of a weeaboo is supposed to be.
 
Cathay and Nippon are unholy blend that was created when a bunch of chucklefucks who couldn't care less about research just took everything mythical about asia that went through the enthusiastic fanboy grapevine, put it into blender and then just randomly distributed the traits to the two nations. So Cathay, despite being supposedly ostentibly China expy just has bunch of mysticism that comes from all over the asian continent. And thats despite the fact that prior TW:WIII, it had like 3 pages of lore total :V
 
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It's varied over the years.
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Children of the Horned Rat 2E is the biggest advocate for Cathay actually. There are 3 mentions of Nippon in the book where they're talked about alongside Cathay. There are 22 mentions of Cathay in the book. That's 7 times as much Cathay as Nippon.

One part is about Lord Viskrin telling Clan Eshin to establish their stronghold in Cathay.

"Everything changed, though, with the return of Clan Eshin. Trained in the arts of assassination in Cathay, their black-clad murderers could infiltrate the most well defended lairs and slay the mightiest foes without ever being discovered." Page 31

"Assassin-adepts of Clan Eshin return from Cathay to serve the Council of Thirteen. Many Clans are quickly brought to heel by the assassination of their Warlords." Page 35

"Tilean explorer Marco Polare reaches Cathay, and writes of spying the Skaven under the great city of Wei-jin." Page 35

"Of all of Clan Eshin's warriors, though, the Adept Assassin is the most feared and reviled. These Skaven are masters in all of the techniques learned in distant Cathay and bring to bear an incredible array of fighting techniques that allow them to eclipse the greatest Human killers." Page 46

"Skaven smoke bombs are found among the Skaven of Clan Eshin. Using craftsmanship techniques learned in Cathay and Nippon, these small fragile grenades are filled with an explosive powder that detonates with a flash on impact." Page 74

"Learned from the Cathay sorcerers of the distant east, the Lore of Stealth is used by the ever rare Eshin Sorcerer. These spells are designed to augment the stealth, speed, and strength of the Clan's attack forces, and none are quite sure whether Clan Eshin Skaven's legendary skills have ever been completely mundane. Clan Eshin guards the secrets of this art to ensure that none of the rival Clans learn the answer." Page 78

"The mainstay warriors of Clan Eshin are the Night Runners. What differentiates these expendable foot soldiers from other Clanrats is that they receive rudimentary training in the fighting styles learned from distant Cathay" Page 96

"Only those Gutter Runners who excel in their trade can ever hope to be indoctrinated into the highest secrets of the Cathay fighting arts." Page 100

"The Art of the Silent Death wasn't the only thing Clan Eshin brought back when they returned from Cathay. A few Skaven delved into the black arts of magic. Blending what they already knew of the warp with the techniques used by Cathay sorcerers, they developed a new lore, one that serves to enhance their Clan's power and mystique. Eshin Sorcerers are mysterious, rare, and keep to themselves; they are well aware that the Grey Seers brook no competition from other Skaven spellcasters." Page 102

"Art of Silent Death: You have mastered the deadly art of open-hand fighting, as taught by the martial artists of Cathay. When making a successful unarmed attack, you deal Damage equal to SB–3 and Armour Points do not count as double." Page 103

That's more mentions of Cathay than mentions of Estalia in the main sourcebooks. I think the most interesting part is that Eshin Sorcerors learnt their Lore of Stealth from Cathayan Sorcerors.
 
Codex said:
I still can't get over Eshin's aesthetic being like that, and then they hit you with the plot twist. Eshin got their secrets and practices by culturally appropriating Cathay, not Nippon, despite the Ninja aesthetic. It's truly baffling.

Well, it's probably better that they stopped at Cathay. Nippon is stuck in like 2nd or 3rd Edition lore where all the names are based off car brands or something. I've seen theories that Nippon is populated by sentient cars. I don't want the Skaven getting any ideas for their own inventions.
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It makes a decent amount of sense, since it has been theorized that the point of origin for ninjutsu and ninjas in Japan was crossing over from China. If the author for Children of the Horned Rat believed that theory, it'd be fitting to make it so Clan Eshin, who basically are ninjas in all but name, to have the origin for their arts be in Cathay.
 
@Boney , would it be possible for Mathilde to either modify her Shadow Steed so it could fly, or device a new "summon flying mount" spell?
 
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