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I also hope that Mandred does not grow up to be quite as hat obsessed as Karl Franz was.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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*Looks at Mathilde spiffin Witchhunter Hat and her many many metaphorical hats*
No! There cannot be enough hat obsession!
Funnily enough, I have exactly the opposite perspective. In fact, I was considering suggesting that we send someone to check all the options that Mathilde passed up in favour of Waystone Project ( most notably Mad Dog Pass, under-Nuln and Swamp Town ) to see if she could stick her fingers in there and make some of those pretty butterflies happen . . .
We better mug another god then to make sure Ranald can make him that gifted.
I think 'constantly irritated at everyone's bullshit' does describe Katarin's depiction in realms fairly well.
that and 'blind to the fact that maybe, just maybe, her growing draconianism was part of the problem, not the solution.'
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Uncertain if it'll manage to swing this late, but if I don't vote, it's even less likely...
[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
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Short answer: no.
Slightly longer answer: hell to the fuck no.
Actual answer: we aren't made of AP, and we choose to do the Waystones Project. So we will do that, not dispersing ourselves everywhere.
Obviously, disregard anything I said before if your post was meant as a joke😁
Not going to lie that sounds horrifying from both a practical and a narrative PoV. I would rather move to the Moot and take up baking pies full time and it is likely to be more fulfilling in terms of coherent storytelling.
Oh, that's a bummer. I was kind of hoping we'd join the attack on Mt. Silverspear but I guess we're not made of AP.
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If French, we have a saying that translates more or less as « choosing is renouncing ». The thread choose to focus on the WP, so we're not going to do what the other options were supposed to do. That's the deal.Oh, that's a bummer. I was kind of hoping we'd join the attack on Mt. Silverspear but I guess we're not made of AP.
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I think when the time comes we'll get the option to help in the battle for Silverspear.
But that's some time away.
The battle for Silverspear is at least a decade away. First Thorgrim actually needs to recruit and arm a multi-hold expeditionary force, which will include cannon and runes from the engineering and runesmithing guilds, and neither of those work quickly (Thorek actually pointed out that aiding us on the waystone project means that dwarves will die because he won't be able to make runes for them to wear). Whilst this is happening, he needs to retake the entire pass, one mile at a time, from the orcs, goblins, and worse that have made it their home, and whilst he has the Eyes to help with that, he still has to destroy their fortresses, reclaim the watchtowers, repair the watchtowers, and return them to the watchtower clans, who currently live half a continent away as refugees. Only once he's done all of that will he be in a position to actually strike at the Silverspear—and whilst he's doing all that he has to make sure that he doesn't draw strength away from the rest of the Karaz Ankor so that opportunists don't take another hold behind his back.
This is a massive military undertaking, and even if the dwarves were inclined to rush it, it's not something that's going to happen quickly.
This is a massive military undertaking, and even if the dwarves were inclined to rush it, it's not something that's going to happen quickly.
One could agrue that the Waystone Project is basically the next best thing to loremaster-at-large of Boneyworld
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Technically speaking, I believe the Watchtower-Clans are for Mad Dog Pass, not the Silver Road.
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There are watchtower clans for both Mad Dogs Pass and Silver Road. I assume he's talking about both, because he wants control over all the passes. The Eyes are good for survellance, but having actual watchtowers to quickly project force is paramound for actually taking advantage of the Eyes.
What Thorek said is just him stating out loud an unspoken fact about life. Literally every second Mathilde is spending working on the Waystone project for example, is a second that she could be spending saving someone's life on some random adventure. Any second that Thorek is spending working on politics, he's not spending in his workshop creating something for a Dwarf that might otherwise live.
What Thorek was saying was true, but it's a matter of weighing the value of actions and intangible gain vs tangible gain as well as long term vs short term. If Thorek spent all his time in his workshop, he can do a lot of good, but the long term gain of systematic reform is also valuable enough that he doesn't spend all his time in the workshop.
Also, this is the kind of thought process that can drive someone insane. I understand why Thorek said that, but I hope he doesn't actually think about all the people he could be helping at any point in time.
The exact quote is ambiguous—I'd interpreted it to mean just the clans of the Silver Road, but on a second reading it's just "Watchtower-clans", which could theoretically be every mountain pass between Vlag and Eight Peaks. That said, I think Mad Dog Pass is going to be secured by Barak Varr, whilst KaK will rehome the clans of the Silver Road?
Mathy doing the waystone project is mathy not using her knowledge and magic to prepare Sylvana for the next vampire rising.
Mathy doing the Waystone project is Mathy not working to stop the Skaven from taking Nuln.
I could go on.
people like wizard lords and Rune lords, have to pick who to help and who to say sorry too.
Mathy doing the Waystone project is Mathy not working to stop the Skaven from taking Nuln.
I could go on.
people like wizard lords and Rune lords, have to pick who to help and who to say sorry too.
Also we are not the only LM around. We might be especially well suited to fight skaven or help in Sylvania but that doesn't mean others cannot help.
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I'm not going to start arguing for us to jump back into one of the previous job offers or anything. I think that ship has sailed. However, I don't think it's hubris to say that few of the Empire's power structures, if any, have the level of understanding of Skaven and Necromancy that Mathilde has.
Mathilde reading the Liber Mortis and having an actual Skaven consultant is a stupidly huge advantage.
I'm not saying that we should suddenly shift or pivot and start doing other stuff, but it is technically true that literally everything we do comes at the cost of something else, and maybe that something else could have used Mathilde's expertise, but that's just life. Can't linger on every single choice you decided to pass by.
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Absolutely true, we are especially suited for those two buuut their not so specialized that others couldn't do the job. There are people well versed in fighting skaven in the empire that could take the lead in nuln and the amethyst college can do a whole lot to help a now slightly less hostile Sylvania.
Also the arguments for why we should fight skaven or undead or greenskins or whatever instead of someone else are the same arguments for why we should do the waystone project—we have the right combination of skills, experience, and connections to maximise results.
I hope when the expedition to retake Mount Silverspear we'll have done the action :
[ ] EIC: Have the EIC keep tabs on mercenaries so that they can be more easily hired if needed.
Hell, we might even be able to do something like a subsequent action :
[ ] EIC (Write in) : Create an EIC agency to act as an intermediary between mercenaries and clients.
How I'd do it is the EIC sends a representative/operative to major cities with the EIC's list of available mercenaries. When a noble gets into a campaign or a merchant needs backup they can hire either local mercenaries or some from abroad. Plus, we can start slowly recruiting the best mercenaries as the EIC's own private army that can act as mercenaries so we don't have to worry about upkeep.
We could also use our representatives/operatives to keep tab of conflicts since those are the events that will require mercenaries. I think such a service could be extremely profitable, especially since we are well placed to cater to the extremely lucrative market of Dwarfholds. Mercenaries are expensive so even a small cut of the contract can be a lot of money.
[ ] EIC: Have the EIC keep tabs on mercenaries so that they can be more easily hired if needed.
Hell, we might even be able to do something like a subsequent action :
[ ] EIC (Write in) : Create an EIC agency to act as an intermediary between mercenaries and clients.
How I'd do it is the EIC sends a representative/operative to major cities with the EIC's list of available mercenaries. When a noble gets into a campaign or a merchant needs backup they can hire either local mercenaries or some from abroad. Plus, we can start slowly recruiting the best mercenaries as the EIC's own private army that can act as mercenaries so we don't have to worry about upkeep.
We could also use our representatives/operatives to keep tab of conflicts since those are the events that will require mercenaries. I think such a service could be extremely profitable, especially since we are well placed to cater to the extremely lucrative market of Dwarfholds. Mercenaries are expensive so even a small cut of the contract can be a lot of money.
We'd need to call it something super original though, like, say . . . Adventurer's Guild.
I do not think it would be a good idea to get our already very rich company into the merc business. That is the kind of thing that makes high nobles worried no matter who the shareholders are.
Also, I wonder if an overwork action wouldn't be more thematicly fitting than taking an AP from next turn if we end up getting involved in Kislev...
After all, considering all we did this turn and what is left to be done, it's hard not to imagine Mathilde is running herself ragged right now.
It would also be a much harder choice than using a future AP considering the effects of overwork, but I feel that narratively it would be fitting.
We are the head of a major trading company, the director of a branch of the Colleges, a Head-Librarian and lead/act as emissary for the Waystone Project. Even if we keep paperwork to a minimum there is bound to be quite a bit when we come back.
We still also take time to do hands on research and experimentation while also publishing papers every 6 months. This turn we also intend to learn to drive.
If I had to do all that, PLUS investigating and slaying a demon AND getting involved in Kislev I feel like I'd be running on fumes by the end of it...
I'd think we have the backing to swing it. And at first, we would only be providing a list of available mercenaries and taking a cut of the contacts. Which would be a very useful service to those same high nobles. Just remember how sending Anton to recruit mercenaries was pretty much a gamble. If he would have been approached by one of our representatives at that time he would have jumped on the occasion.
And since we are a trading company, we can even act as facilitator if the noble client is lacking in hard cash to foot the bill. This would normally be a problem since mercenaries are unlikely to work on credit or to accept intangible benefits. For the EIC on the other hand, it's easy to offer to foot the bill in exchange to access to markets, long-term contracts or material goods or real estate.
Plus, we'd be able to direct mercenaries to Karaz Ankor which would probably net us at least some support from the Sigmarites.
After all, considering all we did this turn and what is left to be done, it's hard not to imagine Mathilde is running herself ragged right now.
It would also be a much harder choice than using a future AP considering the effects of overwork, but I feel that narratively it would be fitting.
We are the head of a major trading company, the director of a branch of the Colleges, a Head-Librarian and lead/act as emissary for the Waystone Project. Even if we keep paperwork to a minimum there is bound to be quite a bit when we come back.
We still also take time to do hands on research and experimentation while also publishing papers every 6 months. This turn we also intend to learn to drive.
If I had to do all that, PLUS investigating and slaying a demon AND getting involved in Kislev I feel like I'd be running on fumes by the end of it...
I'd think we have the backing to swing it. And at first, we would only be providing a list of available mercenaries and taking a cut of the contacts. Which would be a very useful service to those same high nobles. Just remember how sending Anton to recruit mercenaries was pretty much a gamble. If he would have been approached by one of our representatives at that time he would have jumped on the occasion.
And since we are a trading company, we can even act as facilitator if the noble client is lacking in hard cash to foot the bill. This would normally be a problem since mercenaries are unlikely to work on credit or to accept intangible benefits. For the EIC on the other hand, it's easy to offer to foot the bill in exchange to access to markets, long-term contracts or material goods or real estate.
Plus, we'd be able to direct mercenaries to Karaz Ankor which would probably net us at least some support from the Sigmarites.
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I think that after we set up a HQ's, we really might have to look at whether or not Mathy should back down on the EIC spy network and just let the hochlander run it.
I don't want to, but it is a lot of balls to juggle and its the only one not directly useful to the current job.