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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Aranfan said:
It also mischaracterizes Belegar who was very enthusiastic about killing things with a mountain.
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Someone talking about weed issues to Panoramia, and Mathilde offering the hellfire mountain? You'd need a second rejected thing, but I'm pretty sure there's something. But "let's use underworld fire delivered via doomtower mountain to remove weeds" totally fits the meme.
EDIT: The doomtower plus dragonstone could work for a "apply magical megaproject" thing, but it's not that great a fit. For one, both of those happened.
 
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Memes aside I do not think we really had an obsession with any one means of doing anything. If anything we spread Mathilde a little too thin at times, trying to be everything from assassin to magical artisan, it worked in the end but in no small part because of our access to people with the skills to back us up, whether that be Johann blowing up skaven labs of Kragg being willing to work with a wizard.
 
DragonParadox said:
Memes aside I do not think we really had an obsession with any one means of doing anything. If anything we spread Mathilde a little too thin at times, trying to be everything from assassin to magical artisan, it worked in the end but in no small part because of our access to people with the skills to back us up, whether that be Johann blowing up skaven labs of Kragg being willing to work with a wizard.
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Barring protagonist syndrome, most LMs must be capable of mind-bogglingly amazing feats in their chosen field if they are even just a bit more specialized than Mathilde.

I hope we get to see that aspect now that we will work relatively closely with at least three LMs.

By the way, what's the age gap between Mathilde and Egrimm again? I feel like I've asked this multiple times already but I'm never sure if I actually did or just wanted to and then forgot to ask.
 
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Rafin said:
Barring protagonist syndrome, most LMs must be capable of mind-bogglingly amazing feats in their chosen field if they are even just a bit more specialized than Mathilde.
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I mean, the boss treats Space like a baker treats a pretzel.

and all this talk of doom towers is making me itchy for a new mega-project.

I know 'waystones', but I mean in the 'dear gods why Mathy!' side gig style, not the main job style.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Memes aside I do not think we really had an obsession with any one means of doing anything. If anything we spread Mathilde a little too thin at times, trying to be everything from assassin to magical artisan, it worked in the end but in no small part because of our access to people with the skills to back us up, whether that be Johann blowing up skaven labs of Kragg being willing to work with a wizard.
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Fair. You could have a meme of "Have Mathilde do it", though Belegar doesn't really fit, because he does other things too. Maybe the nebulous Belegar nega-quest thread as the advisor and Belgar as the king? Or the nega-quest DM? That is horrendously meta convoluted, and deep stack of semi-obsucure references, which is delightful. And it wouldn't even be as a meta, convoluted and all that as the iterated flight school meme thing.

I also think we've hit thread madness, so that's nice. If it wasn't time for bed (or I was sitting on a computer with a mouse), I'd probably see about making some memes.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I mean, the boss treats Space like a baker treats a pretzel.

and all this talk of doom towers is making me itchy for a new mega-project.

I know 'waystones', but I mean in the 'dear gods why Mathy!' side gig style, not the main job style.
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Well, we do have a history of collaboration with Kragg. Who has a rune that turns Dhar into fire. Clogged waystones produce dhar. The possibilities kind of suggest themselves here.
 
Mathilde is most likely the Grey College's foremost expert on everything regarding Dwarves, everything regarding Skaven, windsight, linguistics, countering Waaagh magic and necromancy (and using necromancy), Laurelorn Elves (because everyone else knows barely anything) and greatsword related martial arts.

Expertize that's up there but I am less sure on whether there isn't anyone even better in the Grey College includes Orcs and Vampires in general, divine magic, Morrite lore, Ranaldite lore, Waystones (though this will improve very soon), military command and staff turning. Her enchantment, infiltration and assassination skills are quite high, but I don't think they are anything special among her peers.

But there are a few skills that I bet Mathilde is outright deficient at, at least when compared to probably all seven other Grey LMs. Those would be Imperial diplomacy, Imperial politics, social manipulation through charme, deeper understanding of Ulgu (she might be the only one who can't get to the in between space on her own), ritual magic, power stone creation, actual every day subtlety, College bureaucracy (she's decent at bureaucracy in general though) and long term deep cover. She may also be deficient in interrogation, psychological warfare and scouting for a Grey Magister, though I base that purely on the skill levels listed on her character sheet, not on on-screen achievements.

Looking at all that, I'm not sure Mathilde is that much more of a generalist than her fellow peers. She concentrated on both scholarly and practical knowledge on Dwarves and all their enemies, (plus necromancy), is pious and has mastered her own melee weapon if choice. Beyond that she is a professional of varying degrees in the traditional Grey Magister pursuits (neglecting some more than others) is a powerful baseline wizard (i.e. spells known and spell power) and has mastered one specialized wizardry (windsight) and pursued another (enchanting). And she's also an accomplished military commander.

She could definitely be quite a bit more specialized, but I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't even the most generalist Grey LM.
 
consequences said:
Well, we do have a history of collaboration with Kragg. Who has a rune that turns Dhar into fire. Clogged waystones produce dhar. The possibilities kind of suggest themselves here.
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Wait damn why didn't I think of that? Did anybody else before now? Boney said we could juggle warpstone and hug daemons with the belt on without the dhar affecting us. And there's no cooldown mentioned anywhere ever. An upscaled version of that rune should be able to dissipate quite a massive amount of dhar, no? So coupling it with a mechanism that sucks in and crushes magic within a large radius should work pretty damn well as ersatz Waystones.
 
... When did we ever "collaborate" with kragg? We mostly just barely interacted with him and sometimes threw our favors at him to make him make us something...also hoped we fell underneath his notice so that our ulgu doesn't weep all the time.
 
Rafin said:
Wait damn why didn't I think of that? Did anybody else before now? Boney said we could juggle warpstone and hug daemons with the belt on without the dhar affecting us. And there's no cooldown mentioned anywhere ever. An upscaled version of that rune should be able to dissipate quite a massive amount of dhar, no? So coupling it with a mechanism that sucks in and crushes magic within a large radius should work pretty damn well as ersatz Waystones.
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Humans already get up to way too much horrific shenanigans with dark magic when it's inimical to their lives. Dwarves have no desire to explore 'Dharpunk' as a genre.
 
Tobtorp said:
... When did we ever "collaborate" with kragg? We mostly just barely interacted with him and sometimes threw our favors at him to make him make us something...also hoped we fell underneath his notice so that our ulgu doesn't weep all the time.
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The Eye of Gazul didn't have a favour cost (for Mathilde, at least), as it was part of:
Boney said:
-[*] Investigate the possibility of somehow amplifying the Tower with Dwarven runecraft
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Boney said:
You give your stunned acquiescence, and for weeks you watch as Algard and Kragg have loud but enthusiastic disagreements over the fundamental nature of magic, and day by day the largest Rune you have ever seen is constructed out of layer after layer of ground diamond. Apparently Gazul's realm is metaphorically below the mountains, and diamonds are born literally below the mountains, so there's a conceptual link between the two. Unlike other Runes you've seen made, this one doesn't snap into a new nature once complete; the air chills in an instant as a blue fire you can only see out of the corner of your eyes burns its way slowly through the diamond dust, leaving it transparent and utterly invisible unless you can spot how light bends as it passes through the Rune. Then, to your surprise, it is not installed in the tower. It is, instead, buried in the deepest point of Karag Nar, right on the boundary between where mountain ends and where the rest of the world begins. It's also directly under the tower, measured to within a hair, and over the course of weeks a steel beam is built from the tower to the Rune, displacing several rooms in the process and leaving a rather forbidding steel pillar glowing with a faint blue light in the center of your entrance hall.
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Come to think of it, if Karag Nar is a Karak-Waystone, surely there should be some form of interaction between them after driving a mile tall energy-conductive steel pillar through it, unless stone is a truly excellent insulator of magic.
 
Boney said:
Humans already get up to way too much horrific shenanigans with dark magic when it's inimical to their lives. Dwarves have no desire to explore 'Dharpunk' as a genre.
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Bah. It devours magic, including Dhar. And of I'm not mistaken that runic array would probably power itself off of the devoured magic. Dwarves should be in favor of replacing the Winds of petrification with mundane fire. And it's not like Umgi will be able to replicate the runes or use the resulting heat without Dwarven permission.
 
Rafin said:
Bah. It devours magic, including Dhar. And of I'm not mistaken that runic array would probably power itself off of the devoured magic. Dwarves should be in favor of replacing the Winds of petrification with mundane fire. And it's not like Umgi will be able to replicate the runes or use the resulting heat without Dwarven permission.
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This kind of underestimation of the ability of humanity to adapt secrets stolen from the elder races into new and terrible forms is what led to Nagash.
 
Boney said:
This kind of underestimation of the ability of humanity to adapt secrets stolen from the elder races into new and terrible forms is what led to Nagash.
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The previous comment was only semi-serious, but now I'm thinking that we might be imagining different things. I am proposing large structures that work like Waystones, except instead of sending magic to Ulthuan they burn it all. And maybe the simplicity allows for scaled up reach or throughput if we're lucky.

Edit: By simplicity I mean that instead of having to intricately absorb magic, keep it separate in non-Dhar form and send it to distant places through leylines while also receiving it from other distant places at the same time, this structure just needs to suck in as much as possible and concentrate it into easily flammable Dhar.
 
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Rafin said:
The previous comment was only semi-serious, but now I'm thinking that we might be imagining different things. I am proposing large structures that work like Waystones, except instead of sending magic to Ulthuan they burn it all. And maybe the simplicity allows for scaled up reach or throughput if we're lucky.
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And then the local humans start building cities around these pillars of free energy and dedicate all their resources to unlocking the secrets of these wondrous machines, even as successive generations become more and more twisted by constant Dhar exposure. And if you think humanity wouldn't build an entire society based on a method of power generation that slowly poisons them, I've got some bad news for you about the past two and a half centuries.
 
Boney said:
And then the local humans start building cities around these pillars of free energy and dedicate all their resources to unlocking the secrets of these wondrous machines, even as successive generations become more and more twisted by constant Dhar exposure. And if you think humanity wouldn't build an entire society based on a method of power generation that slowly poisons them, I've got some bad news for you about the past two and a half centuries.
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Warpstone is like Coal/Oil in more ways than one.
 
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