Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
So, I was Faith-Truing in the Faith-Truth the other day...

Hmmm? Oh, in case you have been living under a rock, the word for "see-saw" has been officially replaced with "Faith-Truth" officially.
 
We're not choosing between Ranald and the Empire, we're not choosing between Ranald and anything.

*sigh* Gods I hope this vote is turned around by the time I wake up. Or that's it's called. Even if Faith wins I'll be irritated but at least it'll be over.
 
Don't pretend? That assumes all the research chains are exactly as long. Is this crystal thing something we'll have a full library of within a few turns? Can you tell me how long this research chain will be? Can you tell me how much free time Mathilde will have to check on suspicious cults?
do you honestly believe that Kurgan enchanted weapons has as much potential relevance to the waystone project as identifying the nature of the chaos gods? and no, I can't tell the content of future updates before we recieve them because I lack the gift of precognition.
Even if it doesn't, it would remain a fact that Mathilde would know that when her back was against the wall she chose knowledge over Ranald. And she would know that she's keeping from Ranald the fact that she keeps the equivalent of nudes of him in her drawer and that she's doing those badass heists behind his back.
yes, Mathilde will know that when the chips were down, she opted to let it ride instead of cashing in, which doesn't seem like some grave sin against Ranaldian virtues to me.

And we're back to the really bad equivelencies again. they aren't nudes, it felt nigh indistinguishable from how Ranald normally feels to us, so either Ranald is flashing us at all times or this is baseless.

If I may offer a similar comparison, if this thing is like a little mini Ranald, then wouldn't sacrificing it to Him be like feeding him his own child? it would be funny in a sad way if by attempting to avoid being Prometheus, we ended up being Tantalus instead. I realize that this is absurd for a number of reasons, so I am willing to stop saying things like that if we can agree to stop comparing things in the vote to other things to make them sound worse than they are.
 
There's no way in hell Boney would let us tell Ranald about this after we vote Truth - that's the very literal definition of relitigating a vote.

If you want to tell Ranald, press the blinking light that says "tell Ranald".

Okay, look. This can be very simply settled:

@Boney

If we vote Truth, will you let us casually drop this info on Ranald (possibly "as a friend") afterwards?

I think the answer is very obvious, but there does seem to be some disagreement.

I agree, but...
Not to contradict the QM, but we might be able to? It won't be any time soon, more like an unlikely far future.

But if one day, the time comes to share out success, after long research, and having applied it to good ends multiple times? When we decide it's time to brag to a select group of people, or spread it among Greys, or Protectors? The day may come when Mat might be able to admit to it, if everything turns out incredibly well.

On that day, you bet a fairly smug Mathilde will brag to Ranald first how she stole knowledge from the Gods and put it to good ends. Him being ok and congratulatory about it is sort of the ideal "pie in the sky" outcome for the far future for team Truth. By then, she'll be able to point to past successes and victories to cover for any indiscretions and issues. Victory and success make up for a lot of failings.
 
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On that day, you bet a fairly smug Mathilde will brag to Ranald first how she stole knowledge from the Gods and put it to good ends.
Remember what a Grey Wizard is supposed to be. We're not supposed to be getting the credit for anything we're doing, and a lot of it isn't supposed to be noticed at all. That we've consistently gotten accolades for our actions anyways is nice, but that's only because not being secretive about that sort of stuff isn't going to get us or anybody else in trouble.

The Blessing of Greater Liver Regeneration is on the table here, remember. We'd get nothing from having that argument, and we'd lose quite potentially everything, including an afterlife. The reward for such a daunting gamble would be... a single instance of medium level headpats? The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
 
Seeing people discuss this possibly coming down in a literal coinflip, in universe, earlier, but then lamenting that they couldn't flip the Coin. To them, I think I have a solution.

Out of the four faces of the Coin, two of them lend themselves quite naturally to keeping secrets. That being the Deceiver and the Night Prowler. Thus it strikes me that, yes, In fact, Mathilde could flip the Coin and have it go 50/50 just by virtue splitting it two for two. (Though who knows, perhaps other arguments can be made for which face belongs to which course of action.)

For myself....

[X]Faith
[X]Truth

I've come to the conclusion that, despite my early worries, I can see the joy in both paths, and care not for the way forward so long as that path is a way forward. Which ever was chosen, I would take joy in it, even as I lamented the path not taken. It is only honest, then, that I vote for both.
 
630 voters… and one vote separates them. I'm kinda glad I'm okay with either.
Give it a bit longer, and we might even break the record while staying just as close. That'll be fun. Literally the single biggest decision Mathilde has ever made—by one metric at least :V—and it could come down to that.
 
I don't if there should be or not some kind of achievement for it...considering the sheer scale and length of debate on both sides.
 
I don't if there should be or not some kind of achievement for it...considering the sheer scale and length of debate on both sides.
I mean, I think it will also be the single biggest vote on the freaking site? I remember something about Boney's record breakers also being that. It would be historical, if nothing else.
 
I am really tempted by Truths divine science
but this research could, maybe, possibly, be the first baby step on the road to chaos quest.
Bah, why are people so worried about picking up a few negative influences? Why, back in my day, we had Dhar directly whisper into Mathilde's brain and not only didn't we mind, we-
If Mathilde is to be corrupted it should be by Necromancy, they put the work in first.
You're a good kid. Keep following your heart.

(look, it's been 10560 pages since I myself delurked, I'm allowed to act like a grumpy grandpa)
 
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Well that took a lot less effort to find than I thought it would, given how few WHF RPG things I can usually find on the internet:

wfrp1e.fandom.com

Chaos Attributes

This section gives you all the details of Chaos attributes or mutations (the terms are almost interchangable), which can be gained by the followers of Chaos. All those affected by Chaos attributes are referred to as mutants, regardless of whether they are Daemons, Champions Of Chaos, Chaos...

Some highlights include: Extra eyes, growing a beak, a blood rage, having your arms replaced with axes, growing bird feet, being perpetually on fire, turning into a chaos spawn, turning into a coward, being always surrounded by a cloud of flies, turning into crystal, turning into Luffy, growing eyestalks, losing all facial features, having your face turn into a flaming skull, losing your head entirely, growing a mace tail, losing your mind (literally), growing another head, having rotting flesh, growing a scorpion tail, becoming beholden to the ministry of silly walks, and turning into a vampire.

someone clearly had a lot of fun with this list but I never want to roll on it
That's a 1E list it looks like. Strangely enough a lot of those mutations are familiar from the 2E list, so maybe the list hasn't changed a ton between editions aside from rule changes. I do feel the need to mention a few things about mutations.

While the D1000 table looks intimidating, and it is, there are actually mitigating factors for aspiring champions of Chaos. If you're dedicated to a particular god of Chaos, then you don't roll on the D1000 table, you roll on a personalised D100 table based on your god, and you only roll on the D1000 table if you roll 93-100. Now, the personalised table is generally better and less likely to screw you over than the D1000, but it still includes undesirable mutations.

Another mitigating factor is that certain followers of chaos have particular traits. There's the Inured to Chaos trait, which makes it so that if you have at least one mutation, you have a bonus (+10%) to resisting any futher mutation. Followers of Khorne and Slaanesh typically have this. Followers of Tzeentch typically have the Controlled Corruption trait, which gives them a -10% penalty to resisting mutations but lets them roll twice and choose the result they like better from the Mutation table. The Chosen of Chaos Talent also gives the same effect but provides no penalty to recieving mutations.

A few notes on Chaos Champions and mutations. In terms of mutations, you can recieve a number of mutations equal to 1d10+ your Toughness bonus. If you get more than that number of mutations, then you instantly turn to Chaos Spawn. Certain mutation results also turn you into Chaos Spawn, or have the ability to turn you into a Chaos Spawn under specific situations (rolling Chaos Were then getting another mutation while you're in your Were form instaturns you into Chaos Spawn). Another note is that Chaos Champions have something called the "Rewards of Chaos". When they do something particularly notable for their gods, they get to roll on the Rewards table, which can give them a mutation, Chaos Armor, Chaos Weapon, Daemon Weapon, Chaos Steed, Daemon Steed, turn them into an Exalted Daemon etc. One of the results for Rewards of Chaos is "Gifts of the Gods", which is yet another table that has specific "benefits" for each Chaos God, which is basically a mutation but it's not considered a mutation by the game so it doesn't contribute to Spawnhood. It's also usually beneficial. Usually.

But of course, the most important part of the Rewards of Chaos Table is the Eye of God roll, which is 98-100. The Chaos God pays attention to the Champion. If they have 6 Gifts or Rewards and less than 6 Mutations, they turn into a Daemon Prince and get whisked away into the Realms of Chaos. If they have 6 or more mutations, they instantly turn to Chaos Spawn. If they have less than six mutations and less than six Gifts/Rewards, then they get Chaos Armor and a Daemonic Weapon, or their existing equipment gets stronger.

In conclusion, being a servant of Chaos includes a ridiculous number of tables and rolls. Randomness is inherent, and while there are some very powerful boosts a person can get, Spawnhood is around the corner in every decision you make and the Chaos Gods are fickle. The thing about this though, you do this enough times and statistically some absurd monsters come out the other end.
 
…Thank all the gods, it's finally over.

And Faith won. We'll, let's hoping Ranald is up for some crazy bullshit. Mathilde for Saint Grey when?
 
I'm just happy it's over. I feel like Frodo after he and Sam managed to escape from Orodruin, and I wasn't actively arguing for the most part!
 
I do hope our absurd luck continues, but I fear that it'll go wrong...way wrong; if only due to the fact that something will get a bad roll.
 
Eh... fair enough, we gave it a good fight and it has been fun to argue it (mostly). Hope all that talk of other AV uses pans out.
Prior to this vote, one of the issues for getting people to vote for AV investigation was the belief that nothing we would find could beat the dwarven rune usage - thus believing that any research would ultimately end up as a waste of time. One thing we can all take from this vote is that AV has other uses besides dwarven runes, so I hope people will be alot more willing to find out those uses.
 
Oh thank Abel it's over.

Do you know how hard it was to see so many "I vote Faith because Ranald is cool and/or I trust him" posts without bursting into one of my classic "Ranald benefitted directly from Abel's death more than anyone and likely had a hand in it" speeches?

Trust me, the only thing stopping me was over five thousand pages worth of experience telling me it would only galvanise the Faith voters, and even then I had to delete like three in-progress posts because I realised I was getting too salty and would only drag down the civility of the thread.
 
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