She's extremely unlikely to be more qualified than the Jade Order's most interested and qualified members, no matter how much we love her. If looking at Karak Eight Peaks' Waystones is such a huge advantage, we can have them take a look too, so long as they don't go experimenting.
Johann and Max are not the most qualified members of the Gold College, but we chose them. We trust them, not the Gold Order. We have a relationship with them, not the Gold Order. We work well with them, and have a relationship established. And things don't work that way. Panoramia is likely to have a better understanding of the Karak Eight Peaks waystones because she has experience of year after year, day after day using it for her own needs. Those "Experts" don't have the time to familiarise themselves with Waystones the size of which Panoramia worked with. Hell, we don't even know if there's someone more qualified than Panoramia who is even willing to help out with the project to the extent that Panoramia would. Just because they exist does not mean they'll work with us, or that they'll have even a fraction of the level of trust and work chemistry that Mathilde and Panoramia has..
Oh sure, if we were picking a Jade for WEB-MAT I'd pick Pan Pan. But I don't want to pick a Jade for WEB-MAT, and we'll be getting extremely qualified Jades for the Waystone Project directly this turn unless something goes wrong.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Jade for WEB-MAT. We'll also have to wait and see if we do get these "more qualified Jades" involved before this can even be discussed further.
Yes, it could be interesting. But I find other options even more interesting (including AV), and even some of those that give more immediate rewards. That's not enough to make me want to sacrifice more AP for it.
For one, that is supremely arrogant. The top 1% aren't going to work for Mathilde, they have their own world changing projects with them in charge. They aren't going to pick up their stuff and join on our say so.
I didn't mean 1% literally, I just meant that she really isn't at this level of topic.
Funny you say that, since Mathilde has less experience than Panoramia in Waystones yet she's heading the project.
Yes, because she is bluffing her ass off, to the point that this whole thing rely on Her keeping the lie up for as long as possible so it doesn't fall apart.
Yeah, and guess who can help sustain that lie? Someone who can maintain it full time with actual knowledge. You'll be hardpressed to find someone better than Panoramia who's willing to work fulltime for the project because all the good ones are taken. There's a reason training a person up to snuff is done sometimes instead of taking the best of the best immeditely. Just look at K8P's Engineer's Guild.
You say top the 1% aren't going to work for Mathilde, but Ergrimm probably qualifies as top 1%, and he's working for her. His situation is unique, but it does show it's possible. And Thorek, who is in the Top 2, is working with her, under her direction.
and if she chooses to say no and continue her bossless job (which, good on her and full uncritical support. You go girl, living the dream) that's fine. But she does have practical experiance and years of observation with the largest waystone network outside of Luerlorn in, a factor that no other Jade wizard will have, in addition to the acculumated lore of the jade collage and her family connections.
Thorek isn't working for Mathilde. He's cooperating with Mathilde as a separate institution. Just like Hatalath. We're talking about WEB-MAT, not other institutions.
She's still hedging and questioning over the current trajectory of her career, and we could offer her an option. Mathilde being her boss doesn't seem to be particularly relevant when their relationship started outside that position. The problems with pressuring are out the window in that case, and we know Mathilde isn't the type to mess around with her relationship using her position. That is not relevant to the circumstances.
Well given both of us lack access to BoneyM's notes we are actually both just speculating on where Panoramia falls on the Johan to Mathilde axis. But its worth noting that that is a small as fuck axis. Johann may have, ugh I dislike this word but the other options are all technical jargon, disability which limits his expressions of magic but I think you'd actually be hard pressed to say he wasn't a magical expert, indeed a peer to Mathilde, in his own right.
We have 3 AP for our own stuff right now, 4 every other turn with overwork. Adding a webmat member doesn't change that as we can easily keep 4 members busy with the three actions per turn. Even if each action only involves one wizard we can easily cycle through them and have them on for three turns then off for one. Add in some actions involving 2 other WEBMAT members at once and the down time goes down even further.
Right which is where the political stuff of this Arc come in, they have their own stuff so we have to help them with that to get their aid. For example it we wanted a top 1% runelord we might say adjust a paper we were writing to help them in their quest to reform the Runelord Guild, or use our political influence to get them access to an old dwarf hold inside the empire. Same theory is going to apply for any group we recruit.
K8Ps has 8 waystones. There are hundreds in the Empire, and IIRC the Jades and Ambers do most of the maintenance. The ones doing the maintenance is who we want, because they've been working with the stones, while Panny just pulls from the sometimes. I really don't get why people thing Panoramia has made a study of the waystones. Is there something in the quest or some WOG I've missed?
Which still leaves Ergrimm. And for the purpose of waystones (which is why people seem to want to recruit her), Mathilde is the decision maker. So Thorek and Hatalath work at her direction, and so would whoever comes in from the Jades. Mathilde doesn't have unilateral power, but it's not like members of Webmat can't leave either.
That is a fair point, that project does seem mostly done. I misremembered.
I'm using Journeywoman for her, because that title comes with restrictions, just as it did for Mathilde. She can't enter the college for research or lectures, and some of the juicy secrets will only be taught to Magister. So I'm pretty sure that most of the really useful information the Jades have isn't available to Panoramia yet. Again, Panoramia's use of the waystones is impressive, but I think it says more about the relative knowledge of the Greys and Jades, than Panoramia's skill in particular. And as I said above, K8Ps is special in the density of waystones, not their total number.
