Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Well, apparently the Conspiracy of Silence also entails discrediting academics who publish claims about intelligent Rat-people in their research papers. So I assume that books about the accurate adventures of Mandred Skavenslayer with his old historical nom de guerre are not available in the library. In any case, it goes beyond just keeping the stuff away from the barely literate.
No. It's the Under-Empire and you're either being humanocentric or surface-centric.
That seems off. Every two rural citizen would have to be able to feed a third mouth. And that's if you ignore all the rural non-farmers and the soldiers and nobles who eat more than a normal share.
We can choose Hedgewise that aren't from Middenland.
My preference is that we first recruit at least the Jade, one or two Elven Houses and, if possible, Ice Witches.
Hoo boy. Openly Skaven advisor in a non-Skaven court. That sure is special.
Do we know whether there is only one immortal Monkey King or whether that's just a title?
Also weird that they consider Hysh to be more corrupting than Azyr.
Remember that the Dragons themselves (and especially the Emperor) are not "of the time period". I'm not even sure if he's born on the planet, but he definitely will have memories of the Old Ones still being around. Those guys might have quite liked precise taxonomy.
And if such a creature shapes your culture and proclaims that it dislikes being worshipped, then you will definitely not worship it. No, instead you'll perform your daily rituals of respect in your special Imperial Respect-Paying Room, using the appropriately respectful incense and hand sings. No worshipping here. No siree.
Keep us posted on the highlights of your journey.
I'll read the actual chapter tonight I guess
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- Pittsburgh PA
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[X] Plan Redshirt v2 with AV
- Location
- Earth
Well, I'll throw in some alternate stuff into the race:
[X] Plan: Mixed Stew: 2x recruit, mushrooms, AV and Gong farmers
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] Attempt to bring an organisation into the Waystone Project (The Jade Order)
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] EIC: Expand the Gong Farmers and Niter production. Bring in dwarven experts as needed.
-[X] Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Write a paper: The Windsoak Mushrooms book, Part 1
[x] Plan Mixed Stew Alternate: Looking at Waystones instead of AV
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[x] Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushrooms Book (1/2)
-[X] EIC: Expand the Gong Farmers and Niter production. Bring in dwarven experts as needed.
-[x] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
I think not getting the EIC to make more saltpeter, if possible, is a waste at this point. I get people want to see what Alaric is up to, but I'd rather reinforce our position than try to fight a fight that isn't ours to fight. Don't interfere in other Colledge squabbles. Especially ones that concern their Patriarch position. From the Greys, with what our task is, that would be taken... poorly. As for books, I'm a fan of shrooms over more dreary Chaos Waste stuff. The shrooms are a lot more practical than more :"Here's exactly how fucked you are, if you are stupid enough to go to the wastes."
[X] Plan: Mixed Stew: 2x recruit, mushrooms, AV and Gong farmers
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] Attempt to bring an organisation into the Waystone Project (The Jade Order)
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] EIC: Expand the Gong Farmers and Niter production. Bring in dwarven experts as needed.
-[X] Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Write a paper: The Windsoak Mushrooms book, Part 1
[x] Plan Mixed Stew Alternate: Looking at Waystones instead of AV
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[x] Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushrooms Book (1/2)
-[X] EIC: Expand the Gong Farmers and Niter production. Bring in dwarven experts as needed.
-[x] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
I think not getting the EIC to make more saltpeter, if possible, is a waste at this point. I get people want to see what Alaric is up to, but I'd rather reinforce our position than try to fight a fight that isn't ours to fight. Don't interfere in other Colledge squabbles. Especially ones that concern their Patriarch position. From the Greys, with what our task is, that would be taken... poorly. As for books, I'm a fan of shrooms over more dreary Chaos Waste stuff. The shrooms are a lot more practical than more :"Here's exactly how fucked you are, if you are stupid enough to go to the wastes."
Alric's a Patriarch of a College of Magic. He could just say, someone was spying on me, the leader of the Empire's prime magical anti-corruption agency, so I killed them, and all his peers would happily accept that as being completely reasonable, and then turn around and make a big deal about the Grey College not staying in their lane and taking unprovoked aggressive action against one of the institutions that should be a check on it. Unless we can prove that he's a chaos cultist, whatever Alric does is not our business.
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- Utrecht
Keeping track of Alric might be useful in case he is one of the candidates for Everchosen.
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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- Belgium
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- He
Wouldn't Mathilde have high dots in Space instead of Prime? With the teleport and going through walls.
Literally anyone we met (or don't met) could be a potential Everchosen. Archaon was a random witchhunter. We have better things to do with our AP than spy on a guy who hasn't done anything even remotely Choatic or even criminal.
I voted to check on him for this turn because I wanna know what he was doing to be sure there won't be waves in the Light Order, but checking him more regularly for Everchoseny activities would be as useful as checking a random soldier or witch-hunter.
Codex
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Even if we don't learn exactly what's going on with Alric, what I'm most interested in is what's going on in Talabecland. There's something going on that has caused Alric to stay there for whatever reason, and both the Light and Grey Order don't know what it is. It would be helpful to know, and it's not like having informants in the administration of Talabecland is a bad thing. Reminder that a few of their traders were buying peat from the Vampires of Sylvania and they almost got grudged by Karak Kadrin for trying to mess with a canal that would improve the Empire's lot because it would undermine their control over the Talabec. They're not exactly a font of good decisions, and keeping track of them doesn't hurt.
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- Utrecht
Well yeah... but you have to admit, he'd be quite the catch for Tzeentch, and after having lost a lot of prestige and gotten his ass kicked by Dragomas in a rather humiliating way.
On the other hand going from 'lost the Patriarch duel' to 'turning to chaos' is a bit like saying 'well he lost the CEO position, guess he is Hannibal Lecter now'. One does not follow the other with any sort of consistency.
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K von Carstein
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Sure, but I'm sure we could say the same of any number of Magisters, or the Nordland EC, or many other people who were frustrated by life.
Codex
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Alric is the perfect target for Tzeentch as an ambitious old has-been who's lost his touch and is desperately trying to cling to and restore his past glories and remain relevant, and also happens to be a powerful caster. He most likely feels trapped after losing his prestige from the duel, getting the order taken from him in all but name from Mira, being kicked out of Altdorf, then Nuln, then Stirland.
But just because someone is a good target for Chaos doesn't mean that they're going to automatically fall to Chaos or that Chaos will automatically notice them. He could be just an entirely mundane sort of annoyance rather than Chaotic evil. There's plenty of those out there.
I personally keep the two possibilities in my mind. I'm not interested in keeping track of him because I'm sure he's turned to Chaos, I just think it's likely he'll try to get Horstmann back and we would be less likely to get the Light Order's support if he's in charge.
But just because someone is a good target for Chaos doesn't mean that they're going to automatically fall to Chaos or that Chaos will automatically notice them. He could be just an entirely mundane sort of annoyance rather than Chaotic evil. There's plenty of those out there.
I personally keep the two possibilities in my mind. I'm not interested in keeping track of him because I'm sure he's turned to Chaos, I just think it's likely he'll try to get Horstmann back and we would be less likely to get the Light Order's support if he's in charge.
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- Utrecht
Grey Wizard paranoia, or Mathilde Nosiness, have your pick
.He wouldn't immediately go Hannibal Lector of course, but his latest misfortune and loss of authority could be the start of the long road down to chaos.
Dabbling in some forbidden art to get some more vigour in his aged limbs at first? Entirely reasonable.
Anyway... Codex's post explains my thoughts better than me, so i'll leave this at that
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
That's not out of the question. Estimates for the Roman Empire have 25-30% population in urban centers.
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- Czech Republic
[X] Plan All Work Ninja Village
Apparently the rule of thumb for pre-roman/bronze age civilisations is 5% urban/95% rural, which I personally think is a bit wild myself.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
We don't have precisely one Max action - we can take multiple WEB-MAT actions with the same person.
The following plan takes advantage of that fact, and the idea that Elves and Dwarves are patient, by taking 4AP for 6 WEB-MAT actions, and leaving human recruitment for later.
[X] Plan: Papers Please
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Comprehensive notes on possible terrain obstacles & Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the western Great Steppes
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Dazzling Brightness/Bewilder)
-[X] EGRIMM: Write a Paper (Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands)
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
--[X] Gambler for training with the golden arm
-[X] WEB-MAT: Attempt to recruit someone to WEB-MAT - Hugo Bann
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into Talabecland administration to start gathering their secrets
-[X] Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Write a paper: Preliminary paper on Aethyric Vitae.
Hugo Bann is a great fit for the waystone project, being an enchanter with experience on multi-magic megastructure. Four members seems like a good number, most turns they'll all be able to be active in three actions and even when they can't as long as we alternate which one we leave out it'll be fine.
But here's another version without the recruitment:
[X] Plan: Maximum MAX
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] MAX: Learn to fly a Gyrocopter with Mathilde
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Comprehensive notes on possible terrain obstacles & Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the western Great Steppes
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Dazzling Brightness/Bewilder)
-[X] EGRIMM: Write a Paper (Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands)
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
--[X] Gambler for training with the golden arm
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into Talabecland administration to start gathering their secrets
-[X] Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Write a paper: Preliminary paper on Aethyric Vitae.
I would make a version of this plan that did Divine AV, but I feel like we need to get the research spaces set up - and I can't see any way in which any of the WEB-MAT members would help with the Divine AV action.
I feel like the preliminary paper on AV is actually a good step towards doing future things with it however - at present no-one is interested in seeing the results of experiments because only a few runesmiths/runelords know there is such a thing and they're already putting it to great use.
I wasn't sure quite where to put the gambler at first, but honestly I feel like Johann could use the added luck in melding with the powerful magical artefact of unknown origin.
I'm also going to throw in some approval votes for plans that windherd.
[X] Plan: Slow and Steady with windherding.
[X] Plan: Elves first, Talabec
[X] Plan: Elves first, Ninja
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- Jerkville
Day 2 of the Divided Loyalties Expedition:
Progress is slow, and our leader's blithe assumption as to the date of the completion of our journey already naught but a joke with the humor surgically removed1. Infuriatingly he makes excuses for bypassing that constantly evolving yet stalwart citadel, The Collection of Important Information, claiming that it has changed too much since the time of its founding to do anything but lead us astray from our holy quest to follow in the footsteps of The Path. Mutinous grumbling when we make camp is already at a level I did not expect to see for weeks hence.
We have unearthed a treasure trove of primary sources documenting the oft mythologized reasoning behind those first tentative steps, but to what benefit if none return to speak of our findings?
1: To within a few inches, and with a great deal of screaming
Would have been Correspondence back when I was paying attention, and it didn't fit all that well. Abuse of Prime covereth a multitude of sins against the guidelines of physics.
no one that has pushed for Hugo Bann has explained why the apparently the best enchanter of the best enchanting college would want to give up his comfy spot in the hierarchy of the brights to come help with a project that hasn't yet even started.
Like, I'm not sure what we have to offer him at this point in the game? whats the 'pull factor' of the project that will overcome the 'push factor' of having to give up some other project that he is doing.
Like, I'm not sure what we have to offer him at this point in the game? whats the 'pull factor' of the project that will overcome the 'push factor' of having to give up some other project that he is doing.
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
When he worked with us on the tower, he enjoyed it because he was doing something novel rather than just churning out more staves, So working at the cutting edge with both waystones and windherded enchantments would be something he would likely be interested in.
Hugo was employed for, what, a single turn, using collage favour.
Permanently hiring him as an employee of WEBMAT is vastly different from bringing him in as a specialist consultant—especially when we already have two enchanters on the team.
Put yourself in Hugo's shoes. You're currently one of the most skilled enchanters in the eight collages. You regularly give classes to wizards of all eight colours. You have a commissions list a mile long.
A wizard you worked with once a few years ago comes up, and offers you a job at a recently founded branch collage. You've never heard of it before. It's charter is combing arcane and divine magic, and they are currently working with the scary wood elves that have two provinces at each others throat.
Do you take the job?
Look, please explain to me what benefit Hugo will bring to us, and what benefit we can give him. Don't say something vague like "he's a great enchanter" or "we have access to rare research". Give me something specific. For Ranald's sake, we're a great enchanter. So's Egrimm. What can he do that we can't?
If Hugo joins, what tasks will he be doing? How will we compensate him for his time and expertise? Why does he need to be a staff member of WEBMAT instead of just commissioning him via collage favour?
Max and Johann were easy to recruit because they have nothing better to do and they like us. We only got Egrimm because Mira felt he was politically inconvenient and sent him far away. Hugo is not going to be that simple at all.
Codex
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Hugo was willing to spare a period of time over six months from his busy schedule to come help out with the Tower. That doesn't mean he's willing to give up his station to join WEB-MAT as a full time employee. This is an entirely different ball game to the Red Tower, and we don't know nearly enough about him to really tell how he'd react, much less if we have any actual chance of convincing him. We'd have to keep him constantly busy to justify why we're taking him away from his incredibly highly valued job turning staffs in the College that loves Staffs the most.
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- Location
- Australia
All the options are in character for Mathilde. Simply spying on him is as in character as this indirect method being proposed.