Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I barely know anything about 40k, but I've seen quite a few people mention those similarities. I've also seen people compare Zhao Ming to Vulkan, not that I know anything more than his basic wiki description.
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Why yes of course, the sign should naturally read "THIS WAY TO IGNORE BOOKS ABOUT THE TOTALLY NOT SKAVEN RATPEOPLE, A SPECIES THAT WE ASSURE YOU WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AND HAVE NO CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR FIGHTING WHATSOEVER", given that that is the general mood the conspiracy gives of to me (on both sides).
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Plenty of humans can use multiple winds! You just have to smush them together first
[X] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
Just put the Skaven books in the fiction section.Why yes of course, the sign should naturally read "THIS WAY TO IGNORE BOOKS ABOUT THE TOTALLY NOT SKAVEN RATPEOPLE, A SPECIES THAT WE ASSURE YOU WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AND HAVE NO CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR FIGHTING WHATSOEVER", given that that is the general mood the conspiracy gives of to me (on both sides).
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I mean, Damsels have, somehow thanks to the Lady. The Shugengan can, thanks to being part-Dragon.
I'm not aware of anyone else.
Honestly i dislike it because it reek of two things:
1) Simping for China to allows them access to their markets to sell more video-games
2) New character disease: To interest people in the new character/faction in a decades old franchise, they make it a mary-sue: They can easily uproot any chaos cult, they have developped
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An interesting case are the Truthsayers and Dark Emissaries.
In Storm of Magic, which is their 8th edition version, Truthsayers can choose between Life or Beast, and Emissaries can choose between Shadow and Death. But that is most likely a rules limitation rather than a lore decision. Truthsayers can exchange one of their spells regardless of the lore they chose for Transformation of Kadon, a Ghur spell. Also, their original spell lists in Dark Shadows give them spells with descriptions that indicate they can cast both Ghyran and Ghur spells, while Emissary spells look like both Ulgu and Shyish spells.
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Judging by the fact that half the children are already dead the Heresy already happened, but this emperor was luckier than his 40k counterpart.
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Nothing has been said about easily uprooting chaos cults. There are constant attempts to surpress Tzeentch and Cathay has still failed to elimintate him, and this is after they limited themselves to only one lore of Battle Magic aside from Yin/Yang (which only a handful of people can cast I should remind you).
Also, these dragons should be superior to western dragons. Know why? There are literally only 11 of them. 7 actually, considering four are "lost". There are dozens of dragons all over the world and there used to be much more, the incredible rarity of these dragons should by itself give the lore a right to make them powerful, since there are no "generic" dragons. These are the only ones you get, and losing a single one is an irreplacable loss.
They've never even mentioned that not worshipping gods is particularly enlightened, they just don't do it. One more quirk to add to another faction. They still worship their ancestors. There is absolutely nothing "Mary Sue" about not worshipping gods, it's just a choice. Or are you going to start calling athiests mary sues now?
I also find the warpstone shield thing that you're getting mad about funny. You think a civilisation of dragon wizards who spent thousands of years next to a warpstone desert wouldn't figure out a way to make a shield? The Empire could figure out a warpstone shield if they were given enough time. It's nothing special, they were just forced into a situation where they had to produce one. The Empire didn't need to produce one because most areas aren't as radioactive as the desert, and there's no need to move through irradiated areas if they're not in the middle of major supply routes, like Shang Yang is.
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I'll note that a dragon thinking they're better than other dragons because they don't have riders doesn't necessarily imply that they actually are better than other dragons.
Also, the distinction between worshipping gods and worshipping a combination of ancestors and dragons feels a bit odd for the time period. The focus on precise taxonomy is very modern, especially given that a lot of the gods in question actually are ancestors of living people.
Also, the distinction between worshipping gods and worshipping a combination of ancestors and dragons feels a bit odd for the time period. The focus on precise taxonomy is very modern, especially given that a lot of the gods in question actually are ancestors of living people.
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The dragons are not worshipped, or at least they're not supposed to because the Dragon Emperor doesn't like the concept of godhood for whatever reason. The focus on the topic is to differentiate Cathay from the Empire. Cathay has no warrior priests, cults, priests in general, templars and the like.
Any Magister that wants to can use as many Winds as they want, either in serial or in parallel. It's just very likely to drive them mad and mutate them in the process.
Sorry, your note said that Tzentch cults are constantly being exterminated while other chaos Gods are barely able to start in Cathay.
Let's compare that to the Empire who does not seem to have an unexplained partial immunity to some of the Chaos Gods and where Chaos cult can subvert electors counts and can lay undetected for decades to centuries..... if its not easily uprooting chaos cult in comparison to the Empire, i don't know what it is...
Thank you @Saidoro for developing on my argument more than i could myself. If it look like a duck, quack like a duck and smell likes a duck... honestly the "no god" position is a bit of a pet peeves of mine in fantasy world where gods are proven to exist, have a physical impact on the setting, but a civilization is presented as more advanced for not worshipping them.
I am not particularly mad about it, but if that was the case Araby should have developed one too due to the poisoned desert full of undead they live next to. Hell the Empire also have incentive to create warpstone shields with Mordheim and Sylvania... Bretonnia also has incentive with Moussillon, Tilea and Estalia with Skaven cities if they want to invade them for extermination, Nehekara also has a lot of incentive to learn how to neutralize warpstone to revive their entire country....
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Mordheim is abandoned. There is no reason to go there because there are no useful resources anymore. You will notice that the Desert isn't being purified, it's just shielding. What's the use of shielding yourself from Mordheim when you can just walk around it? Shang Yang can't be walked around because it's the only overland route into Cathay. They have to deal with it. Other nations don't HAVE to deal with the warpstone, they can just avoid it.
Nehekhara isn't tainted with warpstone either btw. It's tainted by Nagash's ritual, and they can walk through just fine, it's just likely they'll get killed by an overzealous Tomb King. I don't think a Warpstonne shield will protect you from that.
Also, my note said specifically that they constantly exterminate the cults in a particular city in Eastern Cathay and the cults keep springing back up. I don't know about you, but that's exactly what happens in the Empire every time. A cult pops up, the Witch Hunters burn them all, another one pops up again, it happens again. It's nothing new. The only new thing is that the other gods struggle to get a foothold, but Tzeentch makes up for that by himself because he is one hell of a nuisance.
Instead of comparing Cathay to the Empire to look for flaws in the worldbuilding through comparison, how about you judge Cathay by its own merits and check the fact that when the Celestial Dragon Emperor and his wife left for 400 years, the siblings began bickering with each other and got into a goddamn civil war over disagreements. So much so that the Monkey King took control over their kingdom and it was only that that broke them out of their tussle. That should tell you enough about how even immortals can get carried away when they have a lot of power and spend the lives of those under them for their own petty desires and rivalries. Is it as bad as the Empire's civil war? No. But Kislev, Bretonnia, Tilea and Estalia all didn't have nearly 1000 years of civil war. The Empire is unique in the shitty things that happen to it because it's a magnet for trouble.
Well I am dubious at the notion that they do not have cults, they might not be called cults, but it is human nature to worship something in the face of a strange and perilous world and Warhammer certainly provides that.
I am not sure I buy the 'conservation of ninjitsu' approach to dragons, just because there are fewer of them does not have to be better. Why would all the special dragons congregate in one place? Why would they not fly all over the world to carve their own kingdoms where they could be worshiped if they are that much more powerful than other dragons?
It seems to me that what makes these dragons special is that they are both uncommonly awake and willing to work together to rule over mortals.
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I feel like you're blowing things a bit out of proportion here. We know they're reasonably good at dealing with most of the chaos gods but struggle with Tzeentch given that they're apparently making zero headway on actually solving that problem in a long term way. And we know they can mitigate the danger of traveling through the warpstone desert from "deadly" to at least "survivable" though we don't know exactly what level of risk, magical effort or logistical support doing so requires. Those are pretty cool things to be doing, but neither is wild or unbelievable, and other nations do have other cool things they can do.
Like, imagine if Cathay had come out first and was the baseline, and then they release a mysterious far west supplement in which it's revealed that the strange and mystical Empire has Eight entire academies of magic, one devoted to each wind in which they teach not just mighty dragonbloods but ordinary men to safely wield the winds of magic with no greater risk than is seen in Cathay. Impossibly, they seem immune even to the corrupting effects of the non-Celestial winds, flying in the face of everything Cathay knows of magic!
It still feels off, drawing a firm line between worshipping Sigmar and your Great Grandad seems kinda insane without either a lot of hugely complicated academic research or our out of universe point of view allowing us to see that they behave differently.
Oh i don't know, it's not like mordheim attract a fucking lot of treasure hunter like that desert in cathay...
Nehekara is tainted by warpstone, Quoting the Liber Necris p.49 about the Great Mortis River:
"Yet when bitter Nagash, former King of Khemri returned and enacted his vengeance upon his former homeland, he polluted the Mortis Tarn, the river's source high up in the Worlds Edge Mountains with warpstone and his own powers of Dark Magic."
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Maybe it'll cool down the overreactions a bit if I tell you guys that most expeditions into the the Warpstone desert result in failure and there is in fact quite a high casualty rate. Warpstone shields aren't perfect, probably not even designed for long term exposure.
The difference is one is a widespread religion centered around one man. The other is your personal relationship with a particular ancestor/relative. You meet someone in the street in the Empire and they're likely to worship Sigmar, you meet someone in the streets in Cathay and it isn't likely you both worship the same ancestor unless you're related. That seems like the kind of scenario that results in less regimented and highly personalised worship, and also likely means that it prevents the formation of any actual "god" in the Aethyr, so no divine magic/miracles for them.
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