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I'm not seeing arrogance either tbh.
Skilled. Skilled and terribly terribly old.
But not arrogant
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Skilled. Skilled and terribly terribly old.
But not arrogant
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- Titan
Nurn Shieldbreaker was only mentioned in Tome of Salvation so he may have been soft retconned by people simply not checking the old stuff while writing later army books. Fan attempts to reconcile places him between Morgrim Blackbeard and his son Skorri Morgrimsson as Skorri's older brother by finagling Morgrim going missing, Nurn ascending to the throne and then dying after this contact with humans and Morgrim returning just after Nurn's death to take back the throne until his own death.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
They have. Or at least, the Colleges of Magic have: the title awarded for being able to cast every Battle Magic spell in a given wind is "Loremaster".
I quite like the Grey Lord. I can't wait for him to meet Thorek. Kragg would have been even better, but them's the brakes.
One thing I want to say, Boney really does have a gift for introducing powerful characters and making the audience feel their significance.
Which is quite a rarity both here on this site and in fiction in general. All these archmages, kings, legendary warriors, mythical beings come across as flat.
And Boney's never (or almost never) do. There's a certain atmosphere, a certain kind of weight to them in his writing that I really like and appreciate.
Ps. In particular I will never forget when we met Kragg. That was pure *chef's kiss*
One thing I want to say, Boney really does have a gift for introducing powerful characters and making the audience feel their significance.
Which is quite a rarity both here on this site and in fiction in general. All these archmages, kings, legendary warriors, mythical beings come across as flat.
And Boney's never (or almost never) do. There's a certain atmosphere, a certain kind of weight to them in his writing that I really like and appreciate.
Ps. In particular I will never forget when we met Kragg. That was pure *chef's kiss*
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
To be fair, there's a lot of things we've dipped our toes into that are pretty ill-advised.
Maybe he's just sensing the recent trip we took into the Chaos Wastes. Or that time Gork used us like a hand-puppet. Or he's not a fan of the human pantheon's answer to The Dancer.
Oh good
Something else to worry about
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- UK
I like this chap, seems great fun! Looking forward to seeing what shenanigans ensue.
With those mentions of other Grey Lords, I sort of wonder if there was a roll for what sort of character we'd get and we rolled well for generally nice instead of some manner of flaw (eg flighty, or 'is a dick'). Or crit for workaholic as a 'flaw'
With those mentions of other Grey Lords, I sort of wonder if there was a roll for what sort of character we'd get and we rolled well for generally nice instead of some manner of flaw (eg flighty, or 'is a dick'). Or crit for workaholic as a 'flaw'
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Heh. Poor guy, trying to be all showy and Mathilde just no-sells it with her awesome Windsight.
That sounds about right, given part of the queen's explanation was how they're legally allowed to do magic now.
I mean, the guy was apparently around back then. He's probably just calling it like it was.
But yeah, I'm not sensing arrogance. It's more like a long-time agorophobe finally coming out of his house and wondering when they remodeled the entire street. Less "that's dumb", and more "Well that's new. Is that allowed now?"
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- Russia
That was Mork.
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- Leeds
Hush, its a scientific experiment. Now I know that three thonks are not the equal of two
'sTechnically that doesn't preclude Freya from being Sigmars mother, just ask Oedipus.
Warhammer Fantasy being what it is there is probably an obscure Sigmarite heresy that believes just that.
I was viewing it in terms of a "This is the sort of shit an Engineer would, upon seeing another rival Engineer's work, immediately start posturing about" type of comment.
Or like with Kragg and Thorek, about the 'Rune of Superior Skill' business.
Though who knows if the skill level difference is "2 engineers", "Dwarf and Human engineer", or "Kragg and Thorek" or what.
Humans might not live long, and their civilizations might have depressing tendency to collapse and die over the millennia compared to Elves or Dwarfs who seemingly mostly decline rather than go entirely extinct, but who knows what the people of the past managed to pull off. And whether the current status of human Waystones and things is due to shoddy construction, or due to shoddy maintenance due to humans not being able to live millennia or to have super-secure mountain-fortresses or magical-forest-fortress for homelands.
In more isolated places like Albion, the works of the Old Ones -- assuming we can assume stuff like that -- might yet remain. Even if the people themselves have diminished, and can't access or manipulate the ancient great works much. (Going more by themes of decline and informational osmosis and assumptions about Albion over the course of visiting many Warhammer threads and all.)
Human wizards can accomplish some bullshit too. Kadon's long gone (IIRC he was human). But Nagash and Drachenfels (whatever the hell he actually is) remain. Seems like the good die young, and the evil grow old.
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Impossible.
He is way too cheerful and swift to show affection than Kragg!But more seriously, yeah, this did make me want to get Kragg involved in this more.
Having a thousand-year-old Runelord in our corner would be really helpful when the other guys are all millennia-old beings.
I'd feel much more comfortable with Kragg in our back pocket in this work.
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I was viewing it in terms of a "This is the sort of shit an Engineer would, upon seeing another rival Engineer's work, immediately start posturing about" type of comment.
Or like with Kragg and Thorek, about the 'Rune of Superior Skill' business.
Though who knows if the skill level difference is "2 engineers", "Dwarf and Human engineer", or "Kragg and Thorek" or what.
Humans might not live long, and their civilizations might have depressing tendency to collapse and die over the millennia compared to Elves or Dwarfs who seemingly mostly decline rather than go entirely extinct, but who knows what the people of the past managed to pull off. And whether the current status of human Waystones and things is due to shoddy construction, or due to shoddy maintenance due to humans not being able to live millennia or to have super-secure mountain-fortresses or magical-forest-fortress for homelands.
In more isolated places like Albion, the works of the Old Ones -- assuming we can assume stuff like that -- might yet remain. Even if the people themselves have diminished, and can't access or manipulate the ancient great works much. (Going more by themes of decline and informational osmosis and assumptions about Albion over the course of visiting many Warhammer threads and all.)
Human wizards can accomplish some bullshit too. Kadon's long gone (IIRC he was human). But Nagash and Drachenfels (whatever the hell he actually is) remain. Seems like the good die young, and the evil grow old.
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Impossible.
I mean keep in mind he is not comparing elves to Albion or Nehekara he is comparing them to the neolithic tribes of the Rheik basin. I think it is reasonable to assume their understanding of magic was as primitive as the rest of their technology. If a dwarf smith of that age were to call those same tribes primitive because they cannot even forge iron that would not be him being arrogant and comparing apples to oranges, it would be stating fact.
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Interestingly; Teclis apparently successfully convinced the 2/3 of the druids that joined the Jade Order that their Oghams were actually of elven construction, and the way he proved it to them was part of what persuaded them to join and reinterpreted their old beliefs to fit the paradigm he taught:
Whether he was bullshitting them is another matter…
"Most believe the Cult of the Mother died out long ago. They are wrong. Not only do the Great Families of my Order continue Her traditions, but the sickle is born by others, which most of whom hide far from prying eyes.
Before he formed our Order, Teclis came to our great groves. By channelling Ghyran he activated the Waystones we believed had been raised by our ancestors, and showed us what our "Oghams" truly were: a creation of the Elder Race, the Asur, the Elves. We watched wide-eyed as Teclis explained the nature of belief, magic, and of Hoeth, the God he especially revered.
Not all of us accepted his foreign ways. Indeed, a full third of the Druidic Families stubbornly spurned Teclis, refusing to believe his "truth", and fled into the dark forests, just like the prehistoric tribes of old.
But those who remained, listened, and then eventually understood.
Not long after, the Jade Order of Magic was formalised, and we were its numbers. We didn't change our beliefs— indeed, we practise the Old Faith still—but we understood them for what they were: a twisted reflection of the truth.
Since then, our role as Nature's Guardians has brought us into contact with many others who believe they are the Children of the Belthani. They are all, I am quite sure, just as wrong as we were."
Before he formed our Order, Teclis came to our great groves. By channelling Ghyran he activated the Waystones we believed had been raised by our ancestors, and showed us what our "Oghams" truly were: a creation of the Elder Race, the Asur, the Elves. We watched wide-eyed as Teclis explained the nature of belief, magic, and of Hoeth, the God he especially revered.
Not all of us accepted his foreign ways. Indeed, a full third of the Druidic Families stubbornly spurned Teclis, refusing to believe his "truth", and fled into the dark forests, just like the prehistoric tribes of old.
But those who remained, listened, and then eventually understood.
Not long after, the Jade Order of Magic was formalised, and we were its numbers. We didn't change our beliefs— indeed, we practise the Old Faith still—but we understood them for what they were: a twisted reflection of the truth.
Since then, our role as Nature's Guardians has brought us into contact with many others who believe they are the Children of the Belthani. They are all, I am quite sure, just as wrong as we were."
Whether he was bullshitting them is another matter…
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Is that myth canon? I thought it was your work.
I guess the question is what (other than the player vote) made Mathilde not lean more secular like most of her peers back then.
Also, @Boney , IIRC Piety was rolled like the other stats. What would it have meant to roll a high Piety character after choosing one of the two flavors of atheism?
So do most Grey Wizards tend secular during their journeying or is it more that everyone is actually just as religious as most other Imperials and that the Grey College just has a don't ask don't tell culture when it comes to religion among Magisters?
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- Earth
My interpretation would be that the blind eye the magisters turn towards the apprentices is in part a training tool to get them used to loopholes and subtlety. 'Don't ask don't tell' doesn't really fit—Mathilde briefly mentioned her own religious beliefs when she reported her loyalties to the Grey College on promotion, and Reiner Starke outright asked her if she was a woman of faith during the anti-Chaos training.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Pretty sure he actually assumed she was from another place. It sounded like he was saying whatever group that was is better than Stirlanders.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
The Strigany have no link (familial, at least) to Sylvanians. The Strigany are called that because they are refugees from the destroyed Empire of Strygos, which was ruled by Ushoran and the Strigoi bloodline of vampires.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
No, he compared the Asoborn favourably (the tribe that inhabited present day Stirland before the unification of the Empire) to the Styrigen, who inhabited the region at some point before that, and left all those lovely burial mounds (like the one the tax records were in).
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- Utrecht
The asoborn are the human tribe that settled in srirland, and the only mention of styrigen I was able to find is in the Siegfriedhof page, also in Stirland. Coincidence? Don't think so.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
…Oh. That makes more sense.
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Finally caught up! Although I stopped reading the discussion somewhere between pages 1000 and 2000 or so just because of how long it was getting
Welcome and congrats! As for skipped discussion, no great loss, 98% of it isn't worth neither the time nor the brain power.
... I'm pretty sure this is a stealth jab, the Asoborns were not known as cheerful and sensible, they were down right murderous warriors and constered 'feral' even by the other proto-imperials, plus, it sounds like he was infact around when the strilanders where... well, strilanders.
I think what he actually said was 'you're short and I'm expecting you to be a downer.'