- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Okay. Yeah. Wow.
12 super ancient archmagi with an apparent focus on cool Ulgu stuff. If Mathilde is anything like me, then she'll be green with envy and hunger for more information.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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12 super ancient archmagi with an apparent focus on cool Ulgu stuff. If Mathilde is anything like me, then she'll be green with envy and hunger for more information.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
You aren't tomb kings, and we commend you for that.
New objective: hold all three loremaster titles at once; human, dwarf and elf.
It occurs to me that we are going to have to explain the Thorek about the liminal realm now. If so I would recommend we do so in a way that seems like we knew all along and this was the plan.
Could we arrange a meeting in the Grey Collage and inform him that since we are asking him to give up some of his order's secrets it is only fair we do so too? Pair it with a meeting with whatever other Magisters are relevant to show how unified we are and give a chance to talk in the most secure place possible about the politics of the project. This whole thing is a stone soup pf magical secret so why not use this one? We just need to run it by Algard first, probably to Starke and Kammovitch as well.
Could we arrange a meeting in the Grey Collage and inform him that since we are asking him to give up some of his order's secrets it is only fair we do so too? Pair it with a meeting with whatever other Magisters are relevant to show how unified we are and give a chance to talk in the most secure place possible about the politics of the project. This whole thing is a stone soup pf magical secret so why not use this one? We just need to run it by Algard first, probably to Starke and Kammovitch as well.
That's an idea, I mean of all the people we could share the secret with I think we can trust that the Runelord would sooner die that reveal it and it will give not only context, but help solidify in Thorek's mind that the Colleges are at least on similar footing to the elves if not the same.
This makes her seem a little... childish? Or maybe playful is a better word? She's also very informal with us in this update.
What is it with Elves mangling Mathilde's name? I really hope no one goes around calling us the name of a famous pleasure house.
Another Great House—I assume they are in charge of Atharti's temple, and as such might be partners and/or rivals with House Tindomiel, who manage Hekarti's temple.
Huh, I wonder what it costs to hire a Grey Lord. The queen didn't make a big deal out of it, so she's not trying to use the cost to obligate Mathlide towards her.
This makes her feel even more like a child. I get the sense that she has to play the role of the wise and mature queen a lot, so she relishes the opportunity to be young. It wouldn't surprise me to find out she ascended the throne unexpectedly early, and had her childhood cut short as a consequence.
That's five of the twelve Grey Lords we know off; Hatalath, the Brothers Thanan, Sarumar (who's mentioned later), and Marrisith's "Uncle", who she apparently does not get on with.
Better get used to it.
Overall, I like him. He's a grumbly old sod, but a pleasant one who's trying to keep up with current events, and he knows how to be diplomatic. He's also powerful, but more importantly, he's a showman. Strutting like an actor, snapping his fingers when he casts his spells, joking around—I think he's going to be very fun to be around.
- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
I suspect its an elvish cultural thing that makes more sense in Eltharin? In a language where all the words have like eight different meanings, making puns and poetic allusions using your conversation partner's name is probably just a normal way to meet new people and break the ice.
Khepri14
Thus kindly I scatter...
- Location
- Following the wind
Seems like a swell guy...for an [sneer] elf [/sneer].
Dawi are better.
Shippers everywhere ignoring the last bit:
Dawi are better.
Shippers everywhere ignoring the last bit:
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
Ulgu makes for Showmen is a line uttered somewhere i think by Panoramia. And these wizards are about as steeped in Ulgu as an Elf can possibly be.
Which is to say not at all it bears recalling. For Ulgu to have any sort of direct effect on how one acts it has to mutate the soul to some degree and that is anathema to anyone who wants to use high magic. Even if one does not go past the point of now recall that is and arcane mark leaning towards one wind or another would have disastrous consequences when trying to use high magic.
Or to put it another was telling an elf that he is steeped in the wind of their abode is like telling someone 'hmm that is a lovely green you have painted your house. Do you eat a lot of arsenic, you feel like you have an arsenic personality...'
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Tbh I still think the tongs idea has value, obviously not right now or anytime soon, the way stones and this guy are fascinating, but in the future I don't see why we can't develop it in our specialized tower thing
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
- Location
- Belgium
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- He
I didn't really see any condescension, just ignorance of the outside world and history. And even if he was arrogant, he's older than the Empire. I think he could afford to be.
To be fair, those human could barely smith bronze and had no writing. Even Mathilde would consider them primitives. And their stones were certainly inferior to Waystones, he's simply stating facts.
What chapter was it?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Magic that we can never use or practice with in front of anyone else isn't terribly useful.
From a purely utilitarian viewpoint, there's more efficient paths to power.
- Location
- Leeds
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Aside from breaking Mathilde's moral code over our knee like a particularly brittle twig and never being able to use it outside and around people? You're right, there's not much reason to avoid it.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
For the love of ranald, just let the tongs die already.
I'm pretty sure that was an in universe warning that we were just wasting our time.
I'm pretty sure that was an in universe warning that we were just wasting our time.
Just for the sake of clarity I think we had an IC indication that they would likely work fine if one were willing to make Dhar, it's just that you know... you have to make Dhar. This is not so much a case of wasting time as of spending it too dangerously.
Yeah, in a perfectly spherical vacuum, tongs are fine. It's just that Mathilde doesn't live in a perfectly spherical vacuum, and there are moral, legal, and ethical issues that make tongs a non-practical avenue of magical research.
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Fair point ig yeah
- Location
- Australia
@Boney, is him having a beard supposed to be special or can all male elves in Divided Loyalties grow facial hair? Come to think of it, can female elves do so?
- Location
- Australia
I found the source of confusion. The yin-yang symbol is Asuryan's symbol, but in the other Warhammer. Asurmen wears the symbol prominently on his chest and less prominently on the shield depicted in his back banner.
However, I do believe this is one of the things the two universes share given the inland sea, the mention of the "Eye of Asuryan", and the half black/half white keeper of balance stuff.
Codex
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There's nothing quite like waking up to a new DL update. This one was particularly delightful, presenting a new facect to the world and introducing a character who's so distinctly different. I know people compare him to Kragg, but Kragg does a decent job in at least paying attention to the general changes in the world, and he's only 1500 years old. This guy is implied to be 2500+ years old, he might even be 4000+ years old if he was one of the original Grey Lords during the War of Vengeance. I'm not sure if these Grey Lords are the exact same ones as back then, if they lost any since that time, or if they had any new ones joining the group since their formation. Anyways, to the update:
Anyways, I'm incredibly interested in the Grey Lords now. 12 of them, and they look to be all incredibly strong and very... odd and out of touch. I particularly like Hatalath and his dramatic showmanship with the wooden constructs and marble stuff. In fact, I wonder what the Marble was for. I believe marble is one of the "insulators of magic" because of its status as a stone thing that doesn't resonate with the winds, so maybe it was just a "container" to prevent the rest of the pocket dimension that the Grey Lords were inhabiting from invading the space of the field.
I also like Marrisith a lot. Maybe that was her devious tactic, to act natural and unguarded so Mathilde feels like she knows her, so Mathilde would be positively inclined towards her!
Ah, I'm so proud of Mathilde! She knows what a Conifer is! Either she's been studying up on trees, she's picked it up from Panoramia osmosis, or she learnt it from casual conversation with Laurelorn elves.
I absolutely love the descriptions here. It's so atmospheric and somewhat eerie, but also really builds the tension and sets the stage for what is to happen soon. It's all so dramatic, and what I find amusing about it is that this is a cultivated thing in universe. Wizards and showmen have a lot in common in general, not just Ulgu wielders.
Used to? What happened to it? Especially since:
The wording here implies that House Maeglin hasn't necessarily fallen in stature. But the temple seems to no longer be a thing. Maybe they just moved locations for whatever reason.
Love how much Mathilde is trying to impress Marrisith. Really feels like a kid in school trying to impress their teacher and show them how much they've learned. I'm also very pleasantly surprised to see all the indications here and beyond about how... unguarded? Marrisith feels. She doesn't put much effort in putting on airs and masks. A lot of her reactions seem genuine. Maybe this is a deliberate tactic to mislead and she's actually pretending, but I'd like to think she just figured there was no reason to pretend to be someone she's not and she's just being unfiltered with Mathilde.
I'm really starting to like Marrisith. So many neat little character moments for her in this update.
Another example of her being somewhat unguarded in her expressiosns. Maybe she just feels comfortable around Hatalath, since he did lift her up with a hug.
I wonder if this seems to indicate that Sarumar can detect things that Hatalath can't or that Sarumar was simply paying more attention to the goings on outside the pocket dimension than Hatalath. Could go either way.
He recognised that Mathilde was a Stirlander, primarily by comparing her to the Asoborn. Are the features of a Stirlander that distinctive, or did they just not change in general features over thousands of years? I suppose the Asoborn were some of the more insular of the pre imperial tribes. Mathilde's family was also pretty rural, so I assume that contributed to her looking distinctly... Stirlandish.
Anyways, I'm incredibly interested in the Grey Lords now. 12 of them, and they look to be all incredibly strong and very... odd and out of touch. I particularly like Hatalath and his dramatic showmanship with the wooden constructs and marble stuff. In fact, I wonder what the Marble was for. I believe marble is one of the "insulators of magic" because of its status as a stone thing that doesn't resonate with the winds, so maybe it was just a "container" to prevent the rest of the pocket dimension that the Grey Lords were inhabiting from invading the space of the field.
I also like Marrisith a lot. Maybe that was her devious tactic, to act natural and unguarded so Mathilde feels like she knows her, so Mathilde would be positively inclined towards her!
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Actually, looking it up, the yin-yang isn't a symbol of Asuryan there either. It's effectively an Aeldari Rune, which Asuryan is traditionally depicted wearing, but not a symbol of the god. Similarly the rune Quyl-Isha from Eltharin represents the tears of Isha (and some other things) but isn't actually a symbol of Isha.
The eye is unlikely to be a yin-yang symbol, given that the Elves also have Isha with the All-Seeing Eye. I suspect it's more like the Egyptian symbol, the Eye of Horus. And I've already mentioend that I imagine the mask as split straight down the middle (and there's no way of confirming that) and that i suspect that most if not all of the islands that form the yin-yang divide in the Inner Sea are artificial, and unlikely to be then linked to Asuryan.
Something I just noticed.
That 'again' is interesting. It's not as if the dwaves weren't using their section of the Waystone network before, as it was powering the Runes of Valaya and had been doing from the start, so what was the previous time that the dwarves messed around with their Waystone network about?
Possible long shot Karag Dum hint? Or something else entirely?
That 'again' is interesting. It's not as if the dwaves weren't using their section of the Waystone network before, as it was powering the Runes of Valaya and had been doing from the start, so what was the previous time that the dwarves messed around with their Waystone network about?
Possible long shot Karag Dum hint? Or something else entirely?