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Huh? There was no couple mentioned that could be vampires, and why would there be any vampires among the Grey Lords?
Leaps of logic to see if any sticks. Vamps still dislike sunlight in WHF right? I can't quite recall since it's been some time since we've dealt with other vamps.
"I had thought the Lords Thanan would be joining us for this effort."

"You know them, they're always happy to visit but they want to disappear home as soon as the sun kisses the horizon.
Though I guess this could also be read to mean they really hate night time as well.
 
I'm not certain if it's intended or not but I'm curious to how the Grey reacted to the common name of Karak Eight Peaks. I suppose that's a simplification since they were speaking Eltharin but I was frankly expecting them to use the Dawi name of Vala Azril Ungol, or "Queen of the Silver Depths".

The Karak Eight Peaks / Vala-Azril-Ungol thing is a pain in the butt because its informal and well known name fits the Karak naming convention and its formal one doesn't and is a huge ungainly mouthful, so it gets referred to as Karak Eight Peaks by default when all the other Holds use the formal Dwarven names. It can be generally assumed that if the conversation is in Reikspiel they're saying Karak Eight Peaks, if it's in Khazalid they're saying Vala-Azril-Ungol, and in this case they'd be saying whatever the Eltharin is for it, but all of that gets turned into Karak Eight Peaks by the translation convention unless the exact term being used is meaningful in some way.
 
Leaps of logic to see if any sticks. Vamps still dislike sunlight in WHF right? I can't quite recall since it's been some time since we've dealt with other vamps.

Though I guess this could also be read to mean they really hate night time as well.
It could also be read that there's two of them, they're in a relationship and they enjoy the conventional nighttime activities of a couple.
 
(The fact that they apparently are helped kept alive by the Eonir, via magic, does seem to imply some kind of supernatural existence. But then we were already suspecting or expecting that to begin with.)
Uh, I think the "kept alive" bit was referring to like, supplies of food in the crates. Considering the subsequent commentary on dietary diversity.
Was that referring to the Arcane Marks Mathilde bears? The Dwarf gear? Touches from Ranald? Or something else? Dabbling in politics of Laurelorn? Or just "humans doing magic at all"?

I don't think it's that last one, which is why I figured it was the Arcane Marks that got that reaction.
Maximum Paranoia Mode: Hatalath has some sort of weird divination bullshit that let him detect Mathilde having read the Liber Mortis :V

Also, unrelated, but I noticed that Hatalath used a nickname for the queen:
Sethai apparently means "flight, wind, cry in the far mountains" - not sure what information exactly that conveys about our host but it seems like the sort of thing that could be useful, considering that Hatalath supposedly didn't know we could understand Eltharin and thus was probably being genuine & unguarded at the time.
 
Was that referring to the Arcane Marks Mathilde bears? The Dwarf gear? Touches from Ranald? Or something else? Dabbling in politics of Laurelorn? Or just "humans doing magic at all"?

I don't think it's that last one, which is why I figured it was the Arcane Marks that got that reaction.

I took it as him showing off his knowledge, "Hah, I am well aware that it is illegal in the Empire for humans to use magic!" Shows what a hip, with-it it fellow he is, that he keeps track of human laws like that.

That's why Marrisith corrected him:

"The latest Everchosen forced them to unite or perish, and Teclis - the current Loremaster of Hoeth, one of the line of Aenarion - convinced them to rethink their opinions on magic, and apparently taught some of them our language in the process. Our guest is from one of their single-Wind Orders of Magic."
 
"Our guest is from one of their single-Wind Orders of Magic."

"So who's the go-between for the Dwarves?"

"She is also here on behalf of King Belegar of Karak Eight Peaks."

The Elf frowns, his brow furrowing. "They got it back? And they're employing human Mages? Tch, you look away for a few centuries and the whole world changes on you."

Behold, the Loremaster Lady Magister Dame Mathilde Weber. She wears many hats.

Also, I already like this guy.
 
It could well be a fair description of the original human inhabitants of the Reik Basin.
Just like the Eonir -- and Asrai -- can be described as "colonists" of Ulthuan, like Aurelion Alleria casually did in another story. :V

Is it a fair or accurate historical description of origins? Maybe. Is it something anybody would appreciate hearing or a polite or non-arrogant thing to say? Probably not, which is what gets you the reason for some of the 'Hm. Polite but old and probably arrogant if (hopefully) amiable' thoughts.

Admittedly, this also changes a bit when you are old enough to actually remember and have had been present for those events. Rather than somebody who was born millennia later, like Aurelion or Mathilde.

And the Waystone comment is just a few words and an offhand thing -- like the terrified primitives thing was to be fair -- so on the one hand you can look into it as much or as little as you want. But, there remains the possibility that the humans got their Waystone related knowledge from the gods or from Albion-derived (and thus Old One descent) or Nehekhara-derived teachings. (Or maybe dragons, who the heck knows.) It's still a viable/valid offhand comment for somebody to make, because if you're a really old dude and remember seeing these guys -- even if, let's assume they were taught the traditions and secrets by their Gods, for this hypothetical example -- putting up Ogham stones you're going to go "Meh, ours are better obviously!"

Like, if an Imperial engineer made a similar sort of comment about, say, Tilean or Estalian or Miragliano engineering or vice versa. Or something. Or perhaps a Dwarf about human engineering.


Personally, I wouldn't look into the comment too much. But Omegahugger wondered out loud why some people got a certain impression, and so I quoted a bit and said "Well, maybe this one?"

Personally, I think he just came off as old and isolated.

But, uh, perhaps a line that might be worth overanalzying more might be the 'striding down the ramp like an actor onto the stage' one.
Its only break is at the top of the ramp you entered by, where a narrow corridor extends into darkness. Standing framed it in is an aged Elven man with his white hair and beard cropped close, wearing worn hose and tunic under a long travelling cloak. With his hood up to cover his ears he wouldn't look out of place in any tavern in the Empire. "Dear Marrisethai," he says, striding down the ramp like an actor onto the stage, "you look more like your mother every decade. How have you been?"
"Like an anctor onto the stage." Was some of that an act or not? Was this the first time the Queen and the Grey Lords have had this conversation? (More likely, that just meant he was being dramatic a bit, but. Overthinking, ho!)

The update said that to touch on the Dreaming Wood can take as little as a thought, and that it's getting them to do stuff and make stuff that requires more involved stuff. So, while physically trading or dealing with them might require a portal thingy activation... how hard or easy would it be to teleconference with them or exchange letters first?


While all of this -- both all the original stuff of 'Arrogant or old or out of touch or not arrogant at all or...' 'Do I read too much in how Mathilde described his entrance being a bit dramatic or not?' -- is perhaps reading too much into things, and the more straightforward and simple reading is entirely possible/probable/plausible... (or that we simply haven't seen the subtle and tricky stuff happen yet!) it's also at least appropriately Grey Wizard to question and rethink everything. :V Note her reaction to the guy filled with nervousness who was actually sent to take her to the Chancellor, or to Thorek's meeting with her just before, or etc.

For instance, should I take the fact that Mathilde described him as "Huh, if he put his hood down, he'd blend right into any tavern in the Empire, easy" as a sign that he's not so isolated and outcast by time as one might think? ... Or just that some fashions and professions can remain universal and old fashioned?


EDIT: Also, found a typo I think.
Standing framed it in is an aged Elven man with
should be "framed in it"
 
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I don't know what you guys are talking about I love this guy he seemed on par argoant for a elf and really not for a grey lord it seems, and seem to be really trying
 
I didn't read this guy as arrogant at all, actually. Mostly as very old, and very out of touch. He clearly means well, too!

It's still a viable/valid offhand comment for somebody to make, because if you're a really old dude and remember seeing these guys -- even if, let's assume they were taught the traditions and secrets by their Gods, for this hypothetical example -- putting up Ogham stones you're going to go "Meh, ours are better obviously!"
They probably are better. It's easy to read elves as arrogant assholes (because to some extent they are), but when it comes to this sort of thing they have millennia more institutional experience and tech development. Some Bronze Age human genius isn't going to be producing something as good as a millennia-old university, because one brain < generations of immortal brains. And let's not even talk about the difference in terms of technical expertise, of access to exotic materials, of workforce, etc.
 
Anyway, these seem like some incredibly powerful mages. Only 12 of them, and they're considered the "third faction" of Laurelorn and "do just as much to keep our realm alive". Even taking a delivery was a show of power that would not shame the most puissant Lord Magisters we've seen.

I feel like if Egrimm gets to meet and work with Hatalath, he will quickly have no complaints about this assignment.
 
Standing framed it in is an aged Elven man with his white hair and beard cropped close
>old elf with beard of any kind

They might, I'm not good at paying attention when I'm busy. How did any of those things happen?"
>stays cooped up in his workshop instead of paying attention to the world around him.

Tch, you look away for a few centuries and the whole world changes on you.
>complains about the world changing so quickly.

Guys, I think we found Elf Kragg.
 
As both elves and dwarves have Loremasters, I'm a bit surprised that humans haven't picked up the title as well from the elder races.
 
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