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Since we're talking about Ulric and Ranald:
"Very well," he says. "Let us speak as one faithful to another."

"As you say," is your very careful reply, and the Ar-Ulric purses his lips and closes his eyes for a moment.
Ar Ulric Carl Valgeir recognised that Mathilde was a "faithful". I don't know if he was making an assumption or he knew about it, but honestly Mathilde doesn't do an amazing job at hiding her Ranaldism. Lilijana figured it out pretty quickly too. And here's another interesting thing:
"A message, then. Tell Him that the Widow may be willing to forgive, and that He should send a representative to discuss."

You feel a sliver of wary attention to turn your way. "I take it He'll know how to go about that?"

"Yha. Friends in common, you could say."

"I'll pass it along." No need to tell her that He already heard.
Ranald pays enough attention to Mathilde that he heard Lilijiana's offer immediately. Lilijiana herself didn't expect Mathilde to be so favored that Ranald would pay enough attention to the conversation, she only figured out how favored she was after the Kul encampent fight.

Since the Waystone project is a cooperative effort between Mathilde (as the head of the project) and the church of Ulric, I wonder if Ranald would view this as an opportunity to heal the rift between him and Ulric, like he did with the Kislevite Pantheon. To be fair, the Kislevite panetheon extended the olive branch to him above, and the Ar-Ulric hasn't made any such blatant statements of rifts being healed, but I'd like to hope that Ranald and Ulric can learn to at least tolerate each other through the course of the Project.
 
One thing I'm interested about Cathay is that whole balance/harmony thing. Specifically if it's gonna use the yin-yang symbol, given it's Asuryan's symbol and the shape of Ulthuan's inland sea.
 
All the Cults have their own version of that story and they all just so happen to paint their preferred God in a great light. The Taalites say that Taal led the charge, the Verenans say that Verena was the only one that believed Ulric when Ulric was going around saying the demons were coming, the Asur say that Asuryan was the first to fight against the demons and the first to fall, and His eventual rebirth is what won the war. Like with studying IRL historical accounts, despite all the clear biases if you read enough you start to see the common threads between them that give you an idea of the truth of the matter. The growing threat, the widespread disbelief, the few believers talk around those on the fence, the long war, the final stand before a deus ex machina saves the day. All of this can be mapped to the historical timeline given by the Elven and Lizardmen histories with reasonable accuracy - the Gates begin to fail, they fail completely and demons are unleashed, the Lizardmen bear the brunt of the attacks early on, daemons become a worldwide threat and are opposed by the Elves and Dwarves, the Vortex turns on and the Daemons are banished.

Where it gets weird is what isn't converted into the vocabulary of the ones telling the story. A Taalite legend from the Obernarn Stone speaks vaguely and darkly about 'immortals', possibly the Old Ones, but speak of the Chaos Gods as four of them, which, what? It also has oddities among Taalite's allies: Margileo, a very minor God with a weirdly non-Reikspielish name with just a handful of worshippers in Averland, as well as Sotek the Snake (???), and it gives credit for the final victory to what is almost certain to be Asuryan. The Grey Order's myth adopted from the Asur says that King Taal inherited rule of the world from Asuryan after Asuryan was slain by Chaos, which doesn't fit Asur beliefs about Asuryan and Kurnous, nor does it fit Taalite beliefs about Taal, and for some reason it also name-drops Tlanxla, which is the name of a Lustrian Temple-City that's been in ruins since the Coming of Chaos. The Ulrican legend Codex cites has the same sort of oddness: it should date back to a time when he was the primary God of the Teutogens and the other Gods were either that of other pre-Imperial Tribes or of distant Tilea, and this is kind of supported by Ulric being described as 'prince of ice and snow' with no wolf associations (which were believed to have come about after the Cult of Ulric absorbed the Cult of Lupus) - but he is also said to be the younger brother of Taal, which is... odd. Maybe it's from a time when the seasonal trinity worship of Taal/Rhya/Ulric was splitting into three distinct deities, but while that would explain why Ulric is given second billing in an Ulrican legend, that process should have been long complete by the time the Southern Gods became known to the Teutogens.

It all seems like a jumble of syncretism, mistranslations and cultural misunderstandings, but you can't dismiss it entirely as a source because things come through that have no reason to be known by the ones doing the telling. Why does an ancient human Runestone have a cameo from a Skink God whose entire deal is that the Slann keep saying "who the fuck is this guy, he's not in any of our writings?" Why does it have a very clear description of Asuryan? Why does an Ulrican myth include beliefs from points on the evolution of the Cult of Ulric millennia apart? Or more explicitly, how does a supposedly ancient and unsourced Ulrican myth manage to supply a very neat 'just so' story to the evolution of Ulric's depictions by his worshippers, a process that took thousands of years, most of it long before any written records existed and unknown to modern scholars? Why does an Asur myth have Tlanxla, a Lizardman Sky God of some sort obscure enough that even those that have access to the wiki barely know anything about them, as a sword wielded by the Daemon Ulgu? All these mythologies that should have been separated by oceans and millennia keep describing the same events and beings with too much accuracy and too often to be coincidence. The only conclusion that makes sense is that these are the same events being seen through different cultural lenses.

Something to consider is that some of these sources are explicitly translations from carvings. I think Tome of Salvation tells us these are pictograms, which means we don't know what the names actually were in spoken terms, it's the translator who would have chosen to, say, translate the pictogram representing a snake deity as Sotek. It's also worth noting that the translator of at least one of the sets of pictograms used as a source in the Tome of Salvation was Teclis, who may well have been the one to chose which names of which gods to use.
 
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You guys know how whenever we talk about Ranald's 4 faces potentially being Chaos in disguise, it's pointed out they don't line up great. I think I figured out how they could line up:

Nurgle is the protector the more I think about it the more sense it makes, Tzeentch is the deciever duh, Slannesh is the night prowler it's the most eh connection but it works and Khorne is the gambler for he does not care what the dice only that they roll.
 
Something to consider is that some of these sources are explicitly translations from carvings. I think Tome of Salvation tells us these are pictograms, which means we don't know what the names actually were in spoken terms, it's the translator who would have chosen to, say, translate the pictogram representing a snake deity as Sotek. It's also worth noting that the translator of at least one of the sets of pictograms used as a source in the Tome of Salvation was Teclis, who may well have been the one to chose which names of which gods to use.

That would result in the opposite situation, where foreign beings were wrongly interpreted as or syncretized into familiar ones - interpretatio Imperium, if you will. An Empire translator might see a warlike sun God and say 'Myrmidia', or see a serpentine symbol and say 'there's no snake gods, so it must be a river'. An Elven translator culturally projecting onto the Obernarn Stone might erroneously result in the name 'Asuryan' among the Old World Gods but that name wasn't used, it was 'Flaming Phoenix ... from atop His Gleaming Pyramid' which doesn't really have a lot of wriggle room for mistaken identity. And there's no easy way to theorize a translator that would come up with both an obscure Averland honour God and a relatively modern Lustrian Skink God who has no written records attesting to his existence - even a superfan of obscure theology would be much more likely to go with one of the Nehekharan snake gods over Sotek.
 
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That would result in the opposite situation, where foreign beings were wrongly interpreted as or syncretized into familiar ones - interpretatio Imperium, if you will. An Empire translator might see a warlike sun God and say 'Myrmidia', or see a serpentine symbol and say 'there's no snake gods, so it must be a river'. An Elven translator culturally projecting onto the Obernarn Stone might erroneously result in the name 'Asuryan' among the Old World Gods but that name wasn't used, it was 'Flaming Phoenix ... from atop His Gleaming Pyramid' which doesn't really have a lot of wriggle room for mistaken identity. And there's no easy way to theorize a translator that would come up with both an obscure Averland honour God and a relatively modern Lustrian Skink God who has no written records attesting to his existence - even a superfan of obscure theology would be much more likely to go with one of the Nehekharan snake gods over Sotek.
Margileo in particular is incredibly puzzling. I checked all mentions of his name in Tome of Salvation, and there are only four.

Two of them refers to him as a minor god of honor in Averland, one refers to him in the Obernann Stone story, and the final one is where it gets interesting. An in universe scholar says that Margileo was a Classical God who wasn't as popular as the big ones like Shallya and Verena, but he was adopted by the Empire as the "Guardian of Honor", and the scholar theorises that Margileo is an aspect of Myrmidia. But really, that's all I have on Margileo. Sotek on the other hand only has a singular mention in the entirety of ToS, and that's in the Obernann Stone. Really odd.
 
How exactly did Mathilde become a worshipper of Ranald? It was obviously something she picked up at the college, but the college has always given off the attitude of being broadly secular, so it's not something they directly influenced her with. Did apprentices run secret sermons in classrooms after dark? Did a magister leave some holy texts in the library? Did Mathilde just read a book on the gods of the empire and thought "yeah, he sounds cool"? Does Ranald just randomly send kittens to lonely apprentices and forms a bond that way?
 
How exactly did Mathilde become a worshipper of Ranald? It was obviously something she picked up at the college, but the college has always given off the attitude of being broadly secular, so it's not something they directly influenced her with. Did apprentices run secret sermons in classrooms after dark? Did a magister leave some holy texts in the library? Did Mathilde just read a book on the gods of the empire and thought "yeah, he sounds cool"? Does Ranald just randomly send kittens to lonely apprentices and forms a bond that way?
Ranald is just... part of the imperial pantheon, even if he's a politically unpopular part of it. By default basically everyone is worshipping him a little bit because everyone wants a little luck now and again. When you then go to the sneaky wizard club, if you aren't the sort of person who leans towards the more secular way of being a grey wizards, it's a rather natural thing to just do that more often, no secret sermons or holy texts required.
 
That would result in the opposite situation, where foreign beings were wrongly interpreted as or syncretized into familiar ones - interpretatio Imperium, if you will. An Empire translator might see a warlike sun God and say 'Myrmidia', or see a serpentine symbol and say 'there's no snake gods, so it must be a river'. An Elven translator culturally projecting onto the Obernarn Stone might erroneously result in the name 'Asuryan' among the Old World Gods but that name wasn't used, it was 'Flaming Phoenix ... from atop His Gleaming Pyramid' which doesn't really have a lot of wriggle room for mistaken identity. And there's no easy way to theorize a translator that would come up with both an obscure Averland honour God and a relatively modern Lustrian Skink God who has no written records attesting to his existence - even a superfan of obscure theology would be much more likely to go with one of the Nehekharan snake gods over Sotek.
Although there could be stuff similar to how Hel Fenn has always been Hel Fenn and nobody tried to rename it to Hel Fen, the pictogram of Asuryan was always unmistakably Asuryan.
Who was Asuryan, how did these pictographers know him? No idea, but its clearly him who they drew.
 
How exactly did Mathilde become a worshipper of Ranald? It was obviously something she picked up at the college, but the college has always given off the attitude of being broadly secular, so it's not something they directly influenced her with. Did apprentices run secret sermons in classrooms after dark? Did a magister leave some holy texts in the library? Did Mathilde just read a book on the gods of the empire and thought "yeah, he sounds cool"? Does Ranald just randomly send kittens to lonely apprentices and forms a bond that way?

The Grey College is officially secular, but it's also very clear on what forms of disobedience are taken extremely seriously, and very mildly rebelling against the College's secular nature with a Major God of the Empire isn't one of those things. There are shrines and books dedicated to all the Major Gods tucked away where the curious can find them, and rumours and gossip about them circulate through the Apprentices and somehow never seem to reach the ears of the Magisters. The older Apprentices often gravitate to the Shrines of Taal and Rhya, often in pairs, while the younger ones tend to become enamoured with the adventures of Ranald.
 
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There are shrines and books dedicated to all the Major Gods tucked away where the curious can find them, and rumours and gossip about them circulate through the Apprentices and somehow never seem to reach the ears of the Magisters. The older Apprentices often gravitate to the Shrines of Taal and Rhya, usually in pairs, while the younger ones tend to become enamoured with the adventures of Ranald.
Huh. With how much internal security, investigation and weeding out of corruption the Grey Order is engaged with, I would've thought that worship of Verena would have at least a minor but solid presence.
 
Huh. With how much internal security, investigation and weeding out of corruption the Grey Order is engaged with, I would've thought that worship of Verena would have at least a minor but solid presence.

All the major Gods have a presence. There's even an Ulrican shrine to be found if you put the effort in.

...given what real life mythology is like I can only assume this is the point in the tale where the adults smirk and wink at each other over the heads of the children.

Mathilde got blindsided by some of that when she was searching for artwork to decorate her shrine to Ranald.
 
Huh. With how much internal security, investigation and weeding out of corruption the Grey Order is engaged with, I would've thought that worship of Verena would have at least a minor but solid presence.

Verana likely has a presence - likely every major deity has one - but the Grey Order is a lot closer to Ranald in lore since the Order had a lot of mystics, showmen and illusionists when it was founded.
 
Lol. So its romance novels and Ranald or Netflix Praying sessions and Chill :V

Those shrines do just so happen to be in private, quiet places where you can hear anyone approaching with plenty of warning. The average apprentice is in their late teens to early twenties, they can't leave the College grounds, and they don't have their own quarters, so they get up to what they get up to under the understanding eye of Taal and Rhya. The alternative would probably be somewhere in the stacks and that upsets the librarians.
 
Didn't we get a segment in which Mathilde remembered Ranaldites within the College sharing stories of Saint Grey?
Clearly Mathilde must have been involved in some sort of sort-of-hidden Ranaldite sect/movement/gathering at some point. I wonder what form they take?

My pet theory: There are a series of deniable signs like an X beneath the doorway of a classroom, etc. If you figure them out and turn up when the room officially not in use you'll find a table setup that ostensibly isn't a shrine, but that could serve as one if you wanted to. You'll find a bunch of people there, waiting around, each with a more-or-less valid reason to be there (from apprentices "studying" to a teacher who can't move their experiment right now, etc). And then the conversation will coincidentally turn to Ranald, etc.

I'm not imagining anything super hidden, but it probably pretends to be hidden + takes some effort to figure out.
 
Those shrines do just so happen to be in private, quiet places where you can hear anyone approaching with plenty of warning. The average apprentice is in their late teens to early twenties, they can't leave the College grounds, and they don't have their own quarters, so they get up to what they get up to under the understanding eye of Taal and Rhya. The alternative would probably be somewhere in the stacks and that upsets the librarians.
"Always remember kids, God is watching… the corridor so you can have some alone time wink wink nudge nudge."
 
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