God Damn, these are some really powerful choices. Let me go over the benefeits of each one before I pick my golems and waystones.

[] Raindrops Falling On Their Heads: It takes a great effort for a Slann to maintain focus and integrity at the best of times to remain conscious. Especially when they are far, far away indeed from their places of power, the fulcrums and temples built upon the Geomantic Web. Even worse, should their holy palanquin be destroyed, and be made to touch the corrupt world upon a platform of crude branches and the like. Yet Ulha'up persists as best he can, even in a land where the powers of Chaos are so long-standing and strong. The Slann awakens, this time, more fully than he has in a long time, and sees that those who follow the Old Ones are beset. While he can maintain himself before slumbering once more, great ruin shall fall upon the servants of Chaos, great ruin indeed. Lord Ulha'up, Voyager in the Rain Drops of Eternity, manages to reach notable wakefulness in his sanctum, and casts his prodigious power against the forces opposing the Norse Dwarfs and the Uxmaegr for a time before he must slumber once more.

Kinda useful for the Norscan civil war, but we are already going to fuck that thing over by reaching that area first after we sink this fucking ark to the bottom of the ocean.

[] Maligning Moulder: The greatest fleshcrafters and monstrous breeders and experimenters of the greatest (in their opinion) of all the Clans of the Skaven see now that their chance is nigh to finally scourge the lands above of those that could interfere with them. With all the potential extra space, their breeders could ensure that the man-things would never be able to dislodge the coming glorious lands of the Under-Empire. There is a chance they could fail, of course, that lesser leaders and foolish mistakes could doom them as they begin to make their move. That their efforts might be discovered early, would be even worse! And yet, such a thing just might occur. Clan Moulder's advance outwards from the Hellpit is blunted painfully, and early, forcing them to have to fight much, much harder to actually make successful gains in the War of Bitter Ice.

Nah, Kislev will do fine, especially as the civil war fighting with Alexandra is already reaching a climax by fighting with the Bokha's and there battle royal against the Beastmen, vampires, and yes now, Skaven. Especially with the Regent of the Kattarina, or the male ruler if its not a female from some of the hostages rescued, also has a giant stonehorn, the things that live in the mountains of Morn and are as big as castle keeps on there side as the personal mount of Alexandra.

[X] With A Bit Of Time And Space: No one, not even the elves, are entirely sure how long they were trapped within the Realm of Chaos by none other than Kairos Fateweaver himself. The absolute shifting of an Arcane Fulcrum was no mean feat, and yet it was done, trapping the Asur and their magical experts in a place outside of time and space. Yet whether or not the twisted whims of Tzeentch intended it or not, much was gleaned in that time. Some of it out of desperation, admittedly. Aurelion, master of the Eternity Stair, has lost friends and allies in that fight, but now that she has returned to Mallus, she returns stronger than before, and with greater knowledge over the Fulcrum that she has bound herself to. Woe betide her enemies, and may her allies find themselves bolstered by this. Aurelion has gained significant knowledge over her Arcane Fulcrum, has connected with it further, and is that much stronger. Waystone Research has advanced significantly, despite the efforts (or because of?) of Tzeentch.


Damn, I want this done, so, so badly. Knowledge restored over how Waystones can be built, and with Teclis learning this and spreading the Knowledge to Ulthuan and maybe Athel Loren, while Aurelion keeps her own knowledge so she can spread it out through freddy to the empire and the Old world would be a mssive game changer for the future.


[] Fighting Fate - Sometimes, it seems like the entire universe has been set against them, and yet, they persist. Sometimes, even, with a bit of aid from the Gods themselves. Gods, supreme beings that they are, often contest one another as well, and once again, it seems a locus point has been found where a great many are exerting their influence in a single place. For better or worse, influence becomes easier to push forward. A great many champions are present after all, and Gods are not above petty acts of vengeance. Frederick and Natasha both gain 1 Fate Point, and 1 Fortune Point To Use 'Per Day' I.E. In/around 24 hours within-universe.

Already have one for freddy, and we have over half a dozen heros with there own fate points to save Natasha if needed, so I think this is quite unnecesarry.

[] The Burning Bulwark of Love: It is a poison and an antidote, a balm and poultice and an open fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. Love is many things, and in the case of Natasha and Frederick, it is a source of strength that has yet to be matched. In the distant past, elves were averse to performing the ritual binding their very souls together for all the pain that it could bring them. And yet it was done, and it is a strength beyond strength. Neither shall be the weakness of the other, ever. Though it was unintended, perhaps because of the usage of materials born of the Realm of Chaos to try and hurt or the influences of the Gods themselves, the bond has grown stronger still. The Soulbond Connection Between Natasha and Frederick Grows Stronger To Untold Levels, Protecting Both Parties All The More.


We literally just had Freddy roll and go over a 100 on staying his sanity against a super torture roll from a lunatic mad supreme sorceress.
Not really needed for us as things stand right now, and we are getting him out within the next dozen chapters as is.

[X] By the Ancestors: The Greenskins have broken open Karaz-a-Karak, and yet they are finding it a difficult prize to plumb. The work of Kragg the Grim, never-ending, has provided a few more thorns than they might have ever expected. For the first time in a long time, new Gronti walk. Not the greatest of them, not yet, not quite, and yet that some have been forged anew, some reawoken from the deeper vaults, is a great boon to the dwarfs and their allies in the defense of their nation. The runes - and anger - of the dwarfs burn bright! Kragg the Grim has begun production of Gronti, powerful rune-golems, to help bolster the defenses of the Everpeak.

A thousand times yes, I want that understanding of how rune golems are made, both to ease the fighting at KaK, but also so its knowledge can be spread to the rest of the dwarfs so they can learn to remake them again, and its not just Kragg himself that could see all of that knowledge sadly die with him.
 
Already have one for freddy, and we have over half a dozen heros with there own fate points to save Natasha if needed, so I think this is quite unnecesarry.

We don't have a Fate point anymore. QM never removed that on the front page for some reason. However Freddy spent his in a dramatic event you may not fully recall in the title it even had Fate Point Burned!
THE EDICT STANDS
The Cloud Palaces of Asuryan are sparse, walked by those judged worthy, and yet the one called Creator watches all and more from the Diamond Throne. The Bloody Fields of the Bloody-Handed are flush this day with their dead, but so too are a number of the darker realms held by the Cytharai. Another stands close, far closer than usual, cloak raised high to usher those own souls on. Should they reach the Heavens, it shan't be these Heavens.


THE EDICT STANDS
He Sees All, Does He Not?

Doesn't He?


THE EDICT STANDS
The Stage, The Stage, The Stage is full.

The audience, the players.

The players, the audience.

But where hath the Shadow Dancer gone?


THE EDICT STANDS
From the Maze, spills the Mist. It spills and spills and spills, spreading as the mortal mist might across the realms.

But where hath their Mistress gone?


THE EDICT STANDS
The ever-burning gaze is bright, is it not? Judgement falls as a meteor from the Heavens. None dare gainsay, not within the sight of the Diamond Throne, not within those who stand within that hallowed court. The defiance of those who stand apart, the refutation of authority, remains as it ever has. With gnashing teeth and wrathful roar, cruelty and hatred and wrath and ruin strain to do more.

And yet...


THE EDICT STANDS
No interference will be allowed. Not for the children. They need not find their way utterly without aid, but neither shall they be led by the hand and nose and heart and mind so fully as the covetous and prideful would demand.

For


THE EDICT STANDS
Yet the mist grows now, growing further, farther. The shadows it casts dance and writhe and shift.

The gaze of the Keeper of the Balance is all-encompassing.

The Emperor of the Heavens narrows his gaze at the sounds of duplicitous laughter.


THE EDICT STANDS
But these remain true:

Direct contact is forbidden, and of course the loyal obey.

A Mother can still care for her children, even if they are made terrible and cruel.

Even if they are made terrible and cruel and cold, even if they are so distant and disconnected from their Mother that they disdain her, are taught to hate her, and try to find succor and meaning in other things. Even if some of her own children are responsible for that same state of affairs.


THE EDICT STANDS
But this has nothing to do with those children/It has everything to do with them.

This matter concerns another. A favor earned, a favor granted.

All the Heavens and all the Underworlds tremble when the Crone passes by, and all the Gods shudder when she laughs.

She.

Laughs.

Now.

For how else can she react at the audacity? The bravery? Such magnificent foolishness. To do this now, to seek out, to whisper. A deal made elsewhere, a performance paid for and kindness shown and returned. Rise, rise, rise doth the mists, and so the shadows grow. The Hunter comes, for all his irritation - the thorn that struck the lion's toe - and yet love compels him as it always has. His shoulders wide, his back broad, a shield from sight in collusion with mist and shadow and laughter.

All so that another may steal away.

Not in her entirety.

No.

Just a few words.

Seeking to find, hoping beyond hope, to see what flowers may still grow in cold cruelty and wrathful blood.

Imagine the wonder of the Mother as she seeks out that self-same essence within Her within another.

It is battered. It is bruised. It is so shrunken and malnourished, bloody and dying.

But not dead.

Not yet.

And so the word comes from the heavens, carrying with it so much more than a word. It is the word and beyond the word.

A whisper from the Grove, in the scant amount of time the attention can be hidden from:

Compassion

Have you not noticed there are no rerolls anymore like there were when Freddy had the Fate point?
 
[X] The Burning Bulwark of Love

All the potential benefits aside, narrative potential of this one sold it for me. I don't feel so strongly for other choices. They are all good, people argued well for them so far and I will be fine with any of them winning. Also there is something strange with these choices

*snorts the ever-dwindling warp-stone hopium

Have you realized how there was no choice about beastmen? Surely this can mean only one thing. Hidden Ludenhof heir managed to one-shot Malagor and Durthu the goat finally locked in and perma-killed Morghur.
 
hey @torroar I have an idea , for an option if you're taking them
Admiral Aislen fresh off chasing that stupid pirate who ran off with the Marinaburg fleet to sack a high elf city , is informed by one the diviners in the fleet about the beached black ark near Salkalten and goes with his entire fleet to investigate , finds out about the battle of Salkalten, he now knows there is a depleted dark elf black ark with no escort fleet somewhere in the waters of the Old World and goes on the hunt and he's closing in rapidly on his prey

basically Aislen and his fleet show up like big damn heroes , ambush the black ark , storm it , kill all the bad people , rescue Freddy and Co and free all the slaves dropping them off at Salkalten on their way back to Ulthuan , ending this Saga on a high note with happy ending and the entire thing would be written from the high elf POV of Aislen because I just want to read about an arrogant overpowered blowhard skilled enough to deserve his own hype beat the shit out of the bad guys

Unfortunately, the way this vote is being structured, nothing in it inherently 'solves' any of the problems being faced. Aurelion being that much more powerful and having more Waystone knowledge is a significant boost in one direction, but it does not guarantee some sort of big uber revival of all Waystones in the immediate future. New Gronti by Kragg alters the calculus of the Everpeak fighting in favor of the side against the greenskins, but it isn't going to just flat out steamroll them. Ulha'up is not going to be awake long enough to fully flatten the enemy, merely cause significant casualties and aid to his side. So on and so forth. So sudden full and total rescue heroism that 'solves' the Black Ark issue was not being offered for a reason. Even a Fate Point doesn't ensure only good things, just a chance of continuation. Of them all, the bond improvement one doesn't 'fix' things either, it merely significantly boosts the bond, aiding both Frederick and Natasha.

I will always appreciate the input and ideas, though!
 
I'm surprised that so many people are voting for it. Going from interludes we've seen on that front, the allied forces seem to be holding their own, aside from some breached walls.
I disagree.

The forces of order don't really have anything that can deal with armored chaos siege giants save for gronti. These things walked through lava that reached their shins and were fine. They climbed the gates of karaz a karak. They picked up and tossed aside a whole demonic explosion made of the entire chaos dwarf arsenal the orks got.

And that doesn't even adress the two super idols of mork and gork that torroar hinted at being made out of waystones.

Plus, in the last logan interlude, we were bombarded with ill omens that reawakening the gronti was super dangerous to the runelords and wizards, so this way we both secure order super combatants to counter super monstrous units of the enemy plus preserve a lot of imperial and dwarf magic firepower
 
Plus, in the last logan interlude, we were bombarded with ill omens that reawakening the gronti was super dangerous to the runelords and wizards, so this way we both secure order super combatants to counter super monstrous units of the enemy plus preserve a lot of imperial and dwarf magic firepower
Well yes, that Kragg managed to do it with the tome in Karak Ungor was rather momentous occassion, as the last attempt to awaken Gronti was performed by Ranuld Silverthumb sometime during or shortly after War of the Ancients, and it left him petrified.

I've theorized in different threads that Ranuld Silverthumb may well be Kragg's grand-master, so you know, the tang of history repeating itself could be the problem.

That said, cannons should do the giants just fine with direct hit.
 
We don't have a Fate point anymore. QM never removed that on the front page for some reason. However Freddy spent his in a dramatic event you may not fully recall in the title it even had Fate Point Burned!


Have you not noticed there are no rerolls anymore like there were when Freddy had the Fate point?
To be real with you, I just though Torroar forgot to update the sheet, it's happened before in the past so that was why I never wondered where a second reroll would appear sometime in the future.

Also, I mean yes Golems are really impressive and important to relearn and use, especially as this has global ramifications for the entire Dwarf world, and maybe even for some of its friends, if runesmiths and runelords can all be taught the secrets of creating new Gronti. But, I mean there is a whole other option that does that exact samething that also benefits us as well as the rest of the world, arguably even more so then the Gronti's in the form of the Waystones. Can we not try and have the two main superpowered global choices be picked this time around so both things can give us a much faster and easier time to get these things that can improve everyone's life, over the strengthening of the soul bound for Fred and Nat, especially with how well they have been handling the strain of the torture being used against them, please.
 
[X] The Burning Bulwark of Love
[X] By the Ancestors

I just wanna say thanks to you, Torroar.

I don't comment in here very much, mostly because this can move fast at times, but it's been a pleasure to be a part of this since CC. You've done quite a good job with this quest.
 
Well yes, that Kragg managed to do it with the tome in Karak Ungor was rather momentous occassion, as the last attempt to awaken Gronti was performed by Ranuld Silverthumb sometime during or shortly after War of the Ancients, and it left him petrified.

I've theorized in different threads that Ranuld Silverthumb may well be Kragg's grand-master, so you know, the tang of history repeating itself could be the problem.

That said, cannons should do the giants just fine with direct hit.
I am genuinely not sure of that.

Neither the lava nor the chaos flames hurt them.

Plus the sheer movement of them means that they could genuinely just carve their way through most of the allied forces before enough fire power is brought onto them, if it wasn't for the current walls. Which the greenskins are breaching one by one.

Maybe they would be brought down evtl, but only at incredible cost and sacrifice, and that is not something the forces of order can afford
 
Happy Anniversary Torroar!

[X] Fighting Fate
[X] The Burning Bulwark of Love
Fate points are so vital I feel, and free fortune points per day can swing things so hard. And they're our protagonists rn. we have been lucky with the torture rolls so far but one truly terrible one could put us on the edge.

[] By the Ancestors Kragg the Grim has begun production of Gronti, powerful rune-golems, to help bolster the defenses of the Everpeak.

[] With A Bit Of Time And Space: Aurelion has gained significant knowledge over her Arcane Fulcrum, has connected with it further, and is that much stronger. Waystone Research has advanced significantly, despite the efforts (or because of?) of Tzeentch.

[] Maligning Moulder: Clan Moulder's advance outwards from the Hellpit is blunted painfully, and early, forcing them to have to fight much, much harder to actually make successful gains in the War of Bitter Ice.

[] Raindrops Falling On Their Heads: Lord Ulha'up, Voyager in the Rain Drops of Eternity, manages to reach notable wakefulness in his sanctum, and casts his prodigious power against the forces opposing the Norse Dwarfs and the Uxmaegr for a time before he must slumber once more.
As for helping our allies, I feel Everpeak can handle what's coming, they still have the cream of the southern empire + the emperor himself there. The battle isn't over yet for them, not nearly.

Aurelion is the anti beastman option probably. But still until the full beasttide hits it's hard to prioritize it at all over battle of the everpeak, the ark or even kislev

kislev, sadly, will probably be neglected. Our daughter has a ton on her plate and little help coming.

As for the norse dwarves, we very well could be heading that way after the ark considering our proximity. But they're just not that important? Or at least to the traditional old world powers considering they were thought lost just until recently. I really wanted to help them.
 
[X] The Burning Bulwark of Love
[X] By the Ancestors

The bond has already proven to be very useful, a boosted version is amazing.

And yeah, Gronti for the Dawi will practically cancel their apocalypse and kick start the reclamation of the Karaz Ankor.
 
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I am genuinely not sure of that.

Neither the lava nor the chaos flames hurt them.

Plus the sheer movement of them means that they could genuinely just carve their way through most of the allied forces before enough fire power is brought onto them, if it wasn't for the current walls. Which the greenskins are breaching one by one.

Maybe they would be brought down evtl, but only at incredible cost and sacrifice, and that is not something the forces of order can afford
Then just cast Final Transmutation. Or Xereus's Purple Sun. Or Pit of Shades. Or Penumbral Pendulum. Or uhhh what's the next one. I dunno. I'm sure there are at least few more spells that are "i don't give a flying fuck about durability. The cast goes off, you die".

Edit: Like, the College battlewizards are here. Sure chaos giants with steel plate are scary, but so are the people that Teclis taught to wield magic to cancel the last Everchosen you know.
 
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Then just cast Final Transmutation. Or Xereus's Purple Sun. Or Pit of Shades. Or Penumbral Pendulum. Or uhhh what's the next one. I dunno. I'm sure there are at least few more spells that are "i don't give a flying fuck about durability. The cast goes off, you die".
all are options, yes. Except....
"You frolic upon a deadly edge, woman," Caelum hissed. "It is unnecessary!"

Matriarch Gehenna's smile did not change, but it somehow sharpened all the same.

"Spoken like a true coward," she sneered. "The Emperor, the High King, the Runelords, have all agreed. As have the rest of our misbegotten little coterie. Yours was the only dissenting vote."

Caelum whipped his arms about, rail thin chest unnervingly swelling like a forge bellows inflating.

"And does that not tell you something!? The consequences you court are extreme! Have you not..!" He growled, glanced at Logan, and then shook his head. "If you fail, the consequences could be disastrous!"

Gehenna scoffed so hard that her head nearly tilted back ninety degrees.

"And if I succeed, it would be a boon. You know that!" She clucked her tongue. "You have spent so long staring into the stars to try and avoid the ill futures you see in the darkness between them that you have forgotten the light of the heavens, Caelum."
all the uber mages of the empire are largely (with the exception of certain and short expeditions to help out in critical spots) busy trying to revive the gronti, an endeavor that is lethally dangerous as directly pointed out in story, by the arch future looker of the empire.

I highly doubt that we can revive them without losing at least a couple of our archmages and runelords.

And simoultanously, everyone but caelum thinks that the gronti are worth the risk
 
over the strengthening of the soul bound for Fred and Nat, especially with how well they have been handling the strain of the torture being used against them, please.

I don't disagree with your points or try to argue for Bulwark but I'm not sure about soul bound currently handling the strain part. Both Frederick and Natasha described how terrible pain was (possibly beyond physical and target spirit). So much so that after one low roll Fred almost closed the bond to protect Natasha.

With how horrible Alyssa is, without even being boosted by Slaanesh on torture stuff, I have a feeling we are only a few low rolls away from either Frederick "breaking" or closing the bond to protect Natasha. I don't want to meta but bottom vote option on chapter 32 "Take The Tor: The Tor of Dominance is right there! Kill her, kill her NOW! FREEZE HER BREAK HER KILL HER KILL HER HOW DARE SHE" kinda implies how things can escalate in a bad direction and Natasha go full berserk after.
 
all are options, yes. Except....

all the uber mages of the empire are largely (with the exception of certain and short expeditions to help out in critical spots) busy trying to revive the gronti, an endeavor that is lethally dangerous as directly pointed out in story, by the arch future looker of the empire.

I highly doubt that we can revive them without losing at least a couple of our archmages and runelords.

And simoultanously, everyone but caelum thinks that the gronti are worth the risk

Under the argument that 'victory cannot be achieved without choosing X' now. The other available options to boost or wreck a faction should be leading. Not just the one with magic golems on the side of the Empire of Man. The one where Kislev may be able to get itself pulled together and aid the Empire of Man, or to push the objective that can allow us to win the game before Tzeentch sends more formidable forces (arcane fulcrum), or one to keep a faction against chaos in Norsca alive.

Even if the Empire of Man does get the golems now that will not allow them to abandon Karaz-a-Karak to aid the Empire of Man against the Beastmen.

The greenskin whaaagh here, is not the whole thing. Some of it is at Barak Varr, and the actual warboss is not there at Karaz-a-Karak. There's a lot of greenskins even with a push of gronti.

Karaz-a-Karak is also the dwarf capital there's likely some goodies they can pull out if they truly get desperate outside the gronti. Dwarfs are the best at fortifications.
 
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all the uber mages of the empire are largely (with the exception of certain and short expeditions to help out in critical spots) busy trying to revive the gronti, an endeavor that is lethally dangerous as directly pointed out in story, by the arch future looker of the empire.

I highly doubt that we can revive them without losing at least a couple of our archmages and runelords.

And simoultanously, everyone but caelum thinks that the gronti are worth the risk
Like, look at your wording. Critical spots. From the way you build the Chaos Giants up in your head, don't they justify that distinction? Either Armored giants are worth it to pull Gehenna on a sojourn (when some fukken goblins were) or they aren't. Like idk.

Is it worth more than potentially saving Northern Dwarves from extinction? I dunno. But i don't think the Chaos Giants with armor are like, this much of a doom.
 
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