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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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If it is affected by shaking, no way it will be able to precisely measure time on a ship in the open sea.
Night_stalker
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Funnily enough, Drach uploaded a video on clocks used in sea travel a couple days ago, interesting watch.
pucflek
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I think we had this talk on where clocks were. There were ones in the Sabine arena iirc. And major churches have them too and such. By your own word, i think. I looked up the word clock in thread and there were many times where you explained what clocks were available in thread, you mentioned personal ones exist but are very rare and very expensive. So i imagine Magnus (the Emperor) or his minder might have one.
This is at least somewhat close to actual historical equivalent of real life that the empire is, as personal time pieces started becoming more common only later on in 16th century, and became something that normal, non-merchant non-noble people were able to justify buying in 17th, as i understand it.
Oi! I linked that first!
I don't think the idea of Barak Varr sharing with us, a proven Dwarf friend and an owner of a fleet information on the existance of clocks accurate enough to calculate longitude and being willing to sell us some (albeit with a condition to prevent us from copying them) is that outlandish. I don't think they will share the data needed to actually make them... if we can in the first place. If dwarves have such clocks, they are most likely reliant on dwarven perfectionist craftsmanship.
The reasons I don't think the Empire already has such knowledge are
1. it was never that sea focused as a state,
2. did not and AFAIK still does not do much transoceanic trade or travel in general and
3. has only recently came back from centuries long civil war.
So, given that it took till 18th century IRL to come up with solutions, it is entirely plausable the Empire still did not.
Now, with regards to cult of Manaan it is indeed perfectly possible they do have a solution in which case there is indeed no need to bother. But we don't know either way. So until we either learn that they indeed do, or torroar states that he has no interest in this topic, my question is relevant.
The question was not about clockwork in general but specifically clockwork precise enough to serve as marine chronometer.
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Hadn't seen the post, but good taste.Oi! I linked that first!
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Do you think they would sell us cannons? Gyrocopters?
Last time a Dawongr made something resembling their designs they declared a grudge. Its literally in the updates. Asking for tech from dwarfs is a no. It just creates friction we don´t need even if it by some miracle pans out because we managed to find one of the radicals like Fenna.
Given how they feel obligated to protect Ostland due to our actions in Karak Ungor- yes, I think they will, if we explicitly ask for it.
As for the grudge, remember, that it ended up not just resolved, but with quite a few of the people who pushed for declaring it going Slayer.
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Yeah, and we had to spend iirc somewhere between 12 to 20K gold, our AP, and do the entire four course punishment shit to make that happen.
So how about no.
No to what? Asking? Remember, I am not saying "we should totally just steal that dwarven invention, it'll be fine!", I am saying "if they have that useful thing, maybe we can get them to sell us some".
We'd probably have an easier time just... hiring Dawi to bring them on our ships and do the stuff with them. No need to ask for the tech itself.
To clarify, I am not asking for the tech itself, just for finished product. But your solution is also perfectly viable.
It's worth noting that if we ever come up with an invention that might lead to a dwarf grudge we could always just ask them before we start properly producing it
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That already happened. Anne had a Grudge put on her by Traditionalist over the Tank and other tech that a Slayer Dwarf taught her a while ago. Frederick had to go with her to resolve it.
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It wasn't over the tank, that wasn't even at the prototype stage yet. It was over improvements to our cannons.
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thanks for the reminder. it's been a while and the tank Frederick brought was the Halflings food tank that was eventually used as the basis for the prototype.
I honestly dont think that dwarves will declare a grudge on someone for simply inventing something,if that person can prove that he did not steal any dwarf knowledge.They are not that pety.In canon there are the steam tanks and the dwarves did not care about them.They only saw them as shoddy works,not worth the time of any dwarf,nothing else.
Right, and what I'm saying is it's not all that difficult to prevent it happening again.
Also, the Empire does a lot of oceanic trading. Very much so. There are convoys to the New World, to Ulthuan, to beyond down to the Southlands, Ind, and Cathay. Some years the Ivory Road is too rough. Ships go cross continental plenty. Deep sea travel is also a thing. The Redhand's Daughter story with Gotrek and Felix feature them going far, far out at sea to an island.
They aren't simply clinging to the shore.
Maghda Sprenger even comes from a sect of Manann cultists who live their entire lives out FAR out at sea, with 99.99% of them never touching shore.
For a lot of the Empire's lifetime, they had Marienburg. Aka mega trade central, from far and wide. Cannot say the Empire doesn't do far sea travel. It has been a focus of Westerland, portions of Nordland, very little historically Ostland prior to quest start, but also very much so Altdorf, which has a big enough river that it has ships go from Altdorf along the river out to sea proper to Ulthuan and back on occasion, or elsewhere.
They aren't simply clinging to the shore.
Maghda Sprenger even comes from a sect of Manann cultists who live their entire lives out FAR out at sea, with 99.99% of them never touching shore.
For a lot of the Empire's lifetime, they had Marienburg. Aka mega trade central, from far and wide. Cannot say the Empire doesn't do far sea travel. It has been a focus of Westerland, portions of Nordland, very little historically Ostland prior to quest start, but also very much so Altdorf, which has a big enough river that it has ships go from Altdorf along the river out to sea proper to Ulthuan and back on occasion, or elsewhere.
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So we might already have those… uh was it Barometers this conversation was originally about? We might already have that thing that helps with ocean travel, or something equivalent to it.
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I wonder if we could create a anti Druchi force made of empire, elf and dwarf fleets, to try and starve them out.
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They'd just go and target the Cathayans until the humans eventually stop caring enough, and the dwarfs have to pull back to deal with problems closer to home.
Druchii aren't stupid. They don't pick fights they can't win because war is a transactionary thing to them. They never attack if they aren't very likely to win.
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