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Mostly because the GM said as much. I need to find the quote… @Marlin do you know where it is?
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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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No. They are going to come back. They always do. Even if you killed every last one of them more would continue to stumble fully grown out of the chaos wastes and put their cloven hooves to beast paths that take them to our doorstep.
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Remember gentlefolk:
There are more of them.
Also from humans and animals becoming mutated during Geheimnisnacht.
There are more of them.
Also from humans and animals becoming mutated during Geheimnisnacht.
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Assuming Ostland isn't too wrecked up during dark elf attack I really hope we can have funds and options to send aid to Kislev to help recover from civil war, ideally if Alexandra wins it.
Might need to do same for Nordland too if beat up as well.
Ostland really has to live up to its name as economic heart of Trident after all.
Might need to do same for Nordland too if beat up as well.
Ostland really has to live up to its name as economic heart of Trident after all.
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I wouldn't say that , they have suffered some pretty big set backs , first was their entire presence in Ostland was not only being outed but outright captured , said vampires were then handed over to the witch hunters after being presented to the rest of the elector counts both exposing the existence of their conspiracy and resulting in whatever intelligence those vampires had falling into the Witch hunter's hands (immortality is real drawback when your being interrogated), this is no small set back because a conspiracy only works effectively when no one knows about it other wise they wouldn't have bothered with the secrecy , this isn't made any better by the fact that the current crop of witch hunters are plenty experienced with hunting vampires thanks to the vampire crusade as well , so Neferata has to deal with the witch hunters , the elector counts , the grey order and the cult of Morr too ,basically everyone in empire of any ranks worth noting actively hunting for and keeping an eye out for her agents and moving against her conspiracy when ever they find it
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Malagor did pointed out that if they let the Empire to grow, it'll threaten to push them out of the Empire forest territory which was something he wanted to prevent.
But yea, Kislev interlude was interesting (I preferred the twins but still, at least we finally know what's happening in Kislev.).
Seems like their civil war finally kicked off, and everyone had a finger in that icy pie.
The Romanovs are going to be in a long slog, and they're not getting reinforcements from outside either.
But yea, Kislev interlude was interesting (I preferred the twins but still, at least we finally know what's happening in Kislev.).
Seems like their civil war finally kicked off, and everyone had a finger in that icy pie.
The Romanovs are going to be in a long slog, and they're not getting reinforcements from outside either.
Still, the Lahmians usually are the 'conspiracies and infiltration' kind of threat, unlike the more direct threats like Orcs or Beastmen, right? Not that they can't be a direct threat when they need to, but I think a conflict against them would be waged more with Intrigue than with Martial, to put it in CK2 terms. And Neferata's powerbase isn't in the middle of the Empire, so our villages, population etc. would be far less vulnerable than against someone like Zacharias or Malagor.
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So nearly as many factions as the Russian civil war that brought the communists to power in our history. (I suppose the Ranaldians winning would the equivalent outcome, not that it seems likely. But then... it didn't seem that likely in 1917 either.)
Well I dunno. I think one possible worst case scenario is "Kattarin is rescued, but after seeing all that happened, decides to double down on the tyranny and heartlessness and cruelty and now with a dollop of insanity and revenge too." i.e. The experience makes Kattarin go Aerys after his abduction at Duskendale.
Well, I suppose a real worst case scenario is of course worse than that; it's one of the bad guys winning and dominating. But a rescued Kattarin that turns out to be a poison pill for Kislev (if she wasn't already one, given the tyranny and outright hallucinating her dead husband)? That's something that's not an obvious "Well'p, the bad guys won, we need to go in there and beat them" situation (unless the vampires win and can be stealthy about their victory that is) but instead is something that could linger and cause damage.
Because, let's face it, some of this clusterfuck is probably partly Kattarin's fault for being, well, herself. If she hadn't decided to overturn the country in some
Some of this is due to the Kattarin faction not managing to succeed in defeating the internal and external enemies of Kislev, yeah. But some of this is probably due to how the Kattarin faction went about doing the things they've been doing.
I think the previous Kislev writing -- I think it was the "daughters and mothers" perhaps? or maybe the one before that -- had Kattarin noting or thinking something like "Well, even if they rebel, at least at the end of it all, Kislev will still be strong." Or maybe she was griping "They're taking the strength I gave Kislev, and using it against me." Can't recall if she was going "Well at least if it all ends poorly for me, I will still have made Kislev strong. They will still have adopted some of the ways and changes I brought them." or not. Well, things went pretty poorly for Kislev, and they might not come out of it pretty well even if the rebels win.
... Speaking of.
What the hell happens if the entirety of Kattarin's children is dead... except the family branch of the rebelling Torus Ivan Romanov?
What the hell is Alexandra, is Kislev, going to do if Torus's family is the only branch left alive? He'd be the only one eligible, unless you bring in Natasha and as the wife of the Count of Ostland that wouldn't be so great much like Alexandra herself.
What happens if the Romanov Loyalists faction wins, but capture Torus and his family alive, and he's the only branch left? Do they put him on the throne anyway? Do they start up a Regency Council? Possibly in Torus's name, or in Torus's child's name?
Wouldn't that be a confusing clusterfuck! If the Romanov Loyalists had no Romanovs left.
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I wouldn't equate Lenin's Red Army to Ranaldans though.
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probably after all if I recall they are the second most powerful family and disliked change of any kind. people have rebelled and done worse for less then this
How the fuck is it that we are fighting 2 black arks simultaneously but things are still worse in Kislev?
What usually happens when one side of a civil war captures people alive from an enemy faction that they are vehemently opposed to, and they are now totally in the faction's power, but they annoyingly have a better bloodline claim than anyone the faction has?
When you put it like that, it's not any great mystery, is it?
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This exactly. They'd kill Torus in a heartbeat, likely his oldest children too and leave only the youngest and most malleable to be propped up as puppet leaders.
The Vampires were playing sillybuggers with plots as they usually do and this intersected with and used a bunch's of other groups and plots so they could pull a Kidnapping while also killing the family. Then the Beastmen decided to poke their heads in with a being that seems to be able to use Ice Magic leading them which by itself would send Kislev in to an uproar. Perfect storm of crap as it were.
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They'd have resisted, but I dunno if they'd have been willing to go full blown Civil War. Some amount of "Well it's Kattarin; she doesn't take no for an answer, so if we're disagreeing with how she's doing things, we'd have to outright defeat her rather" is probably in play. Kattarin's reputation and attitude probably deters a lot of rebels or opposition, but it also probably causes any rebels that do crop up, to decide to fight to the bitter end as a result. And desperate or scared or despairing people are probably easier to hoodwink or coopt by cultists or vampire infiltrators, because they're more desperate for aid.
Kattarin might decide that the problem was that she didn't go hard and icy enough, but while it's possible that if she'd only been, say, 90% Kattarin she'd have seen an even worse rebellion because the rebels would have had more to work with? Well, if she'd only been 5% Kattarin, she might not have had a rebellion on her hands at all, so. (Though it's also possible that maybe Torus wouldn't have gone traitor at all, so.)
Though, I mean, obviously she also could just have won and managed to root out the cultists and vampires. Rolls were involved, on many sides, and some of them apparently did not go her way. Things could be better, but they could probably be way worse too.
Am just imagining if it didn't end even with Romanov Loyalists victory. =/
Imagine if somebody decides to go further, asking themself the question of: "Almost all of the Tzarina's children are dead... if the last one were dead, there'd be no heirs -- the sister and her Imperial children wouldn't be able to rule -- so what if... what if it wasn't 'almost'?" And decides to rule instead.
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I think the wildest thing about the Kislev stuff is that, at the rate that this is going over there, Kattarin the Bloody not becoming a vampire is on track to turn out to be the worse timeline for Kislev compared to the canon eventual Bohka leadership. Damn they have it rough
Ostland isn't Kislev, but during his rule Frederick has:
1. Built up and enhanced a standing army that makes him far, far less dependent on the knightly orders (much less his nobility).
2. Rewritten the laws and tax codes of Ostland from the ground up, then convinced everyone to accept it with an absolute minimum of grumbling.
3. Brought in multiple cults that, while accepted, did not previously have a major presence in Ostland and greatly increased their importance.
4. Restructured the economy of Ostland like several times over.
5. Massively pushed the integration of non-humans like ogres, halflings, and dwarves into Ostland.
And as far as I can tell, the blow-back from the existing power structures and nobility has been... not quite "picking earwax while looking dumb-founded" but never beyond some grumbling. He's never had to put down a single rebellion in his decades-long reign (that wasn't from an evil non-human faction anyway).
Like, okay Ostland is not Kislev and Kattarin is starting from a very different position and I acknowledge that, but still. You look at what Frederick has managed to get people to swallow with nary a hint of protest and it's really not less extreme than anything Kattarin did. Doesn't he kind of make her look... like... well, not as good as him at being a ruler?
EDIT: Oh yeah, and his family is completely loyal to him. Another way in which he clowns all over Kattarin.
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Don't forget about that guy who wrangled together all the naval mercenaries from Marienburg and ostensibly sailed towards Kislev, too.
The only way them getting involved might be a good thing is if they were actually hired by Kattarin's regime in preparation of brutally crushing the Bokha rebellion part of this whole clusterfuck. And if they remain loyal to such a contract.
Needless to say, that's a pretty far fetched hope.
The only way them getting involved might be a good thing is if they were actually hired by Kattarin's regime in preparation of brutally crushing the Bokha rebellion part of this whole clusterfuck. And if they remain loyal to such a contract.
Needless to say, that's a pretty far fetched hope.
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Nice to see someone is as fucked as we- no wait that's our daughter. FUCK.
I'm worried this might Be very possible, if the Beastmen ambushed the Skaven moving her
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Our girl has gotten pretty good with a blade. And several new titles.
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I think this needs more pointing out that if katarin tried freddies approach she likely wouldn't of gotten anything done cause freddies approach was fight epic battle, kill ancient vampire, save province from chaos god, kill everyone who disagreed with him (okay that fits kats way) survive being burned alive on the other hand what freddie did is no where near as controversal as using guns cause its like asking ulfrins to sue guns, forming an army into one when kislev were having arguments about armies not working as well as small warbands, changing how their religion works (the widow being the mother) and inviting a group of people who used to worship the choas gods and have been attacking kislev for generations, taking land from nobles, inviting foregin magic users to help farm land (while freddie is using magic its not something people can go how dare u cause magnus) also she was accuesed of using money on useless projects like the road and widows temple most of this she would not of gotten away with if she went freddies route, to the traditionalist kat is changing kislev as a culture to something they cant reconise or accept
Edit: while the people who had similar views aganist ostland were killed by freddies own orders
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