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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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The Albish have a few advantages imo in terms of population growth.
1. Albion is saturated with the wind of life. Areas that are not completely bog and swamp (and there are areas like that) will be ludicrously rich farmland. And even without farms I'll bet that fishing will be ridiculously bountiful. And the Albish in general will be healthier due to being exposed to so much Wind of Life.
2. The large number of druids and truthsayers meaning more blessings and magical support can be made available for expecting mothers meaning deaths from child birth complications will be severely reduced.
3. There's something about the Albish that seems to make them better physical specimens then the average human in the Old World. It's probably tied with the oghan network and the Albish being a specially created/blessed phenotype of humans watched over previously by the Old Ones.
4. No serious attrition. This can't be emphasized enough. The Albish now have no potent enemies on the island. The Fimir are completely shattered. Boudicca exterminated the Orcs completely from the island. The Beastmen are not a problem due to the Mists telling the Chaos Moon to fuck off. What fimir is left will be exterminated given time. Especially since the surviving Fimir don't have an answer to the roused Albish giants anymore since all their best spell casters are dead. So the Albish will no longer be losing swaths of their population every year.
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NCRTrooper
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How on earth would we even be able to do that? We've only been able to make as much progress on the Ogres as we have because Ostland has a large native Ogre population. And even non-Ostland Ogres are perfectly capable of non hostile interactions with humans as mercenaries and what not.
Giants' interaction with humans on the other hand, tend to be universally hostile and violent, with a few exceptions.
Cecylene
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In AoS, Varanite is explicitly the Realmstone of the Eightpoints and nothing more and nothing less, corrupted with the powers of chaos due to Archaon's occupation of the Eightpoints. It is purpose built to be extra corrupting much like how most people die from being given a dose of Warpstone, which in TTRPG terms deals mortal wound to non-Skaven, whereas the Tzeentchian spell Chaosbolt automatically gives a mutation to anyone it hits.
AoS: Malign Sorcery also calls Warpstone the Realmstone of the Realms of Chaos, which makes it literally raw chaos magic crystallized into form.
But that is AoS which functions on entirely different terms of laws of magic and physics and this is Malus which has no Realmstone at all and cannot have any Realmstone.
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AzraelvonGruber
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Same thing, but i don't think we can
See the Ogres : we could help because the biggest thing to do was to fight the "Maw culture"
But with the giants... How the hell are we supposed to heal millenia of inbreeding ? The slaan may be able to help with some old ones fuckery but not us
There is the elves but just giving them a safe haven seems to provide so much help.
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I agree, but its just one of those things that we don't have resources or means to to help, and to be fair they might get better on their own now that Albion is free of fimir influence. It could just be a matter of leaving them and the Ablish mostly alone to figure things out and regrow on their own.
On that note, with the fimir gone I wonder if the Sidhe will stop hiding as much anymore in Albion and actually move about it freely since they no longer have to worry about being captured and worse being done to them. Another good reason the Araby don't learn about the elemental beings and would be majorly attempted to capture them like they do the native djinn of their homeland.
They weren't specially created by the old ones the old ones, they were regulars humans when old ones were so impressed by them that they taught them/ it probably has more to do with the fact the entire island is constantly drenched in magic and they have been living in that and having kids in that for thousands of years
Holy shit, that's impressive as hell! Go Mena!
It sounds like she had the most smashing success out of all the groups that divided and went to hit their own objectives. Alric didn't get the Dragons, but did get the Incarnate of Beasts. Reinhardt tagged along and got weapons from the Forge of the Old ones. Magnus kind of tried to play diplomancer, but not knowing the language plus everybody rushing around everywhere kind of handicapped him a bit, and so we got some Sidhe but not some huge diplomatic coup (or so it felt like) that got amazing reinforcements. Though maybe there wasn't as much to get from there. But still. Meanwhile, Mena managed to get the Elder King of the Giants to wake up!
... Dammit. Now I want to hear more about that. I know we didn't vote for it, but... I still want to read about it! Is there any chance you could write a series or entry or something about that? Maybe not now, but later?
Oh, oh, or -- maybe Mena describes her adventures and tells her story in the Giant's Causeway, later on, to Magnus and Reinhardt. Or maybe she tells her story at the Trident Meeting perhaps.
And so the framing device is that of Mena telling her story. Rather than the usual where we see what happens in a story and follow along directly.
That could be a cool way to learn about it later.
... And also, Mena is a storyteller, I think, yes? Bragging about fights and adventures and all. So, it'd be in-character too. ... Also, the prestige would be useful to her.
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The giants don't need or want the type of 'help' with blight that you'd offer, Fly Lord.
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Yeah, that's come up before.
They were even outright in the merc lists.
It's part of why the Albish don't super love outsiders. The two major instances they've had of outsiders in recent history has been a Tilean crew that straight up kidnapped a Truthsayer and two giants...and the Druchii. Alas, that Truthsayer also died under mysterious circumstances before the Magic Colleges could ask questions.
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Realistically speaking we're not going to see any returns on this for decades. They still need to recover and regain control over the island and re-populate as their population is probably shot to hell. It'll be a decade or more before they even begin to consider stepping a toe out into wider waters even if they can.
honestly the best thing we can say about test is that we denied chaos and the dark Elves resources. But it's unlikely that we will benefit from this over much for the foreseeable future.
honestly the best thing we can say about test is that we denied chaos and the dark Elves resources. But it's unlikely that we will benefit from this over much for the foreseeable future.
AzraelvonGruber
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would be fun to have some mercenary from albion but yeah you are right
This is so, so sad.
lancelot
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Is there anything long term the Empire, the people of Albion, and the Elder giants can do to stop and reverse the degradation? I would say new blood but giant's off island are so screwed up I'm not sure if their 'new blood' would help or harm.
I look at those Giants, our Orges, and Dwarf Friends and I can't help but to think about all the amazing architectural mega projects to scare the piss out of the chaos gods with.
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Barring us somehow finding a way to undo the effects of extensive inbreeding, probably not.
Restalaan
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I'm just happy that Albion is basically a non-issue now and will always be a long-standing ally to Ostland at least. With the Fimir threat now gone, that's one world ending scenario that we don't have to worry about. Sure, it'll take prob centuries and the giants are going to degrade down all the way, at the very least, they got what's prob the rarest thing in Malus. Peace.
That's as good as it's gonna get.
That's as good as it's gonna get.
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From what I understand from reading stuff from people with a good degree of biology knowledge, the answer would be "yes, it should help a lot, and quickly."
Emphasis added. Fair notice, the above was copied from reddit, but I tried to do some further independent research into it and it seems to be generally supported by info from Wikipedia and other scientific sources I'm too lazy to try to collate. AFAICT the risk of "outbreeding depression" applies when two groups are specifically adapted to divergent environments, which I don't think is the case for Giants - the Old World isn't that different from Albion environment-wise, and the Giants there don't seem to have much in the way of adaptations specific to that environment AFAIK.
How likely it would be that we'd know this in-universe is an open question. The Empire is definitely pre-genetic research of any kind, but concerns re: inbreeding and managing said have been a concern in animal husbandry and such for a much, much longer time. The Jades and/or Ambers may also have been able to magically leapfrog the period-typical understanding of such things in a similar way to how the Golds got themselves to the table of elements early. Though it's worth noting that it's very early days for the Colleges in the quest's time period.
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There is still the possibility of Xokh and druids actually rediscovering how to make Giants again, hopefully, now that they have the time to do so without interruption and fear of attack and having to be constantly ready to combat nefarious schemes. I actually view that as more feasible than foreign Giant insertion into the populace, but maybe i am too optimistic in that regard and too negativist in the other.
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pucflek
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The humans likely don't have problems with inbreeding. Its only been hundred years since the conditions were turned against them too much to intermarry between the clans.
You only need 10000 humans to keep the population biologically diverse enough to avoid inbreeding across likely hundreds of years. The issue of Albionese humans is not inbreeding, but losing knowledge because of deaths and shit. They are not exactly aboriginal australians that managed to actually transmit accurate knowledge by word of mouth for literal millenia. They had too much attrition.
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