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A Mage looking at Fredericks souls: Yea of course thats a soul of just one person.....Right?!
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Humanity can be surprisingly tenacious. I believe this is one if the reasons the Chaos Gods like us so much. So weak, susceptible and corruptible, but once in a while you will find a gem among the coal.
These humans who can push themselves beyond their mortal limitations are the favorite playthings of all the gods. Unlike the Dawi and Asur, they are breakable. Unlike the Beastmen they have a free will. But they are extremely ignorant.
Its like playing with a rat in a cage. The rat doesn't know what's going on and most will simply starve or go mad. But there are always a few that somehow pull through. Either by beating and consuming the other rats or by assuming command and struggling a bit longer.
The Chaos Gods and demons are the audience watching the rats.
Frederick is like the super special awesome collectors edition albino rat, that suddenly popped out of nowhere. They just played their hand wrong to get him.
A Beast Lord could probably have survived that blast to the face fine. It is not power that draws the dark Gods to humans I do not think. I think it is because of the species they do not already own humans are the best fit for their themes. Humans are mutable and given to extremes of emotion and faith.
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And of all races we are most prone to stark division: We throw up lines in the sand for any reason or none, convince ourselves that these marks are the dictates of nature itself and that whatever side the speaker is on is the only correct one, and then act as goddamn artists of cruelty as we paint within those lines. Novel, discrete, unpredictable.
You know, I'd genuinely be interesting to see what the race that replaces man would look like. Whatever has their favor when man goes the way of the beastmen and the fucking cyclopses.
That assumes the world would survive the experiance of man being mostly or totally subsumed by chaos. Given that in a lot of places from Cathay to the Old World it is man who holds the line against Chaos I would not be so sure of that.
I assume you mean Aurelion, and it vastly depends. Druchii have refined it for thousands of years, but so too are Vampires - if they so choose - able to spend the time (and sanity) to master Dhar as well. Necrarchs, like, the truly old ones, are capable of matching Supreme Sorceresses on average, but as you descend in 'importance of using magic' it degrades slightly as you go from Von Carsteins who are the next highest in terms of magic usage, to a wiggling between Lahmians who are extremely precise about it and Strigoi who are...not...down to Blood Dragons who flat out don't really make much use of it by comparison.
This was partially explained by another, but I can expand a bit:
1. Here, the gauntlet is actually identified and some of its functions given.
2. Here, the gauntlet's automatic defense is specifically described, managing to protect Mena from a Doombolt (very powerful blast/fireball of Dhar) that hit her right in the back. One of the rubies is exhausted in that instant as it defends her. Note how she didn't specifically order it to do so, as she was quite literally unaware she was about to be hit, and yet the gauntlet automatically defended her. This is different from the activated defense, which would have involved exhausting all of the rubies temporarily (for the rest of the battle, effectively) while providing a stronger and more long-lasting defense at the expense of not being able to use its other functions.
3. Here, we can see precisely how she managed to survive long enough for Magister Carlotta to get to her, because everything described above mattered in the below. I will bold the especially pertinent portions.
Note, specifically, how the defense has been described before in 2 "seeing an outline of black fire in the shape of her body where she'd stood, flames of pure Aqshy combatting them." in that when the gauntlet's defensive functions activated, it being Aqshy based means that the 'defense' takes the form of enveloping flames. Therefore, when you see something described as in 3: 'the completely aflame body of Mena von Kessel' remember that for the daughter of a Bright Wizard, enveloping flames are not always necessarily bad. Secondly, you can see that the gauntlet was completely obliterated, meaning that it, clearly, suffered the most out of any other part of her body specifically because it was meant to do exactly that. It shattered itself in its expenditure, but it still performed its function one last time.
These updates were a bit apart from one another, but you gotta remember what goes on in one doesn't disappear from existence in the others, you know?
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I admit my immediate thought reading that was "ouch that's going to ****ing hurt"
Then I thought "man what idiots they set the daughter of a bright wizard on fire"
Whether literal or not, fire resistance is a must.
Then I thought "man what idiots they set the daughter of a bright wizard on fire"
Whether literal or not, fire resistance is a must.
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to be fair sometimes updates can happen days , weeks or months apart from each other and often they are the size of small novels not that we mind the length so we can't always remember them exactly
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Here is hoping Mena's mom can make her a new gauntlet and axe later to make up for lost ones.
Campaign has really showcased the importance of items that help in the defense/combat of magical forces with the Brain Wounder being one of the most valuable tools in bypassing the defenses of powerful magic users. The dwarfs would be proud... or as much as they would publically show at least.
Campaign has really showcased the importance of items that help in the defense/combat of magical forces with the Brain Wounder being one of the most valuable tools in bypassing the defenses of powerful magic users. The dwarfs would be proud... or as much as they would publically show at least.
I certainly never mind the length, makes rereading updates fun.
Huh, that's some potent defensive enchantments from Odelia. And I admit, the bit about being-on-fire went over my head. I thought it was just a natural result of being hit by a fiery spell. But it wasn't! It was actually an example of Fire Wizards being Cool Crafters and Crafting Stuff and such. Cool attention to detail.
This makes me wonder about the Ledstali project that Alexandra is working on -- while it's armor, sure, I'm wondering if it might also have enchantments on them too. Would her masterwork, if/when she finished it, and then enchanted it with magics too... wind up with some defensive aspects to it, like we've seen in other magical defensive enchantments? Or is the Ledstali project more just a pure 'material sciences' sort of project.
This makes me wonder about the Ledstali project that Alexandra is working on -- while it's armor, sure, I'm wondering if it might also have enchantments on them too. Would her masterwork, if/when she finished it, and then enchanted it with magics too... wind up with some defensive aspects to it, like we've seen in other magical defensive enchantments? Or is the Ledstali project more just a pure 'material sciences' sort of project.
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I am pretty sure that Odelia can build her new ones... The problem is that the replacements may not be ready before Malagor and his Homies decide to make their move...
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those items and artifacts are also staggeringly rare as they are either prized magical heirlooms like light of summer , powerful religious artifacts like what Gunthur uses .
the collages of magic could theoretically make varies such items and in cannon they do as this is where all the magical items you can equip to your empire lord or captain in the table top come from . since torroar hasn't allowed us to order magical items from the collages yet we can assume the collages are still a few decades of growth away from being able to offer their services as makes of magical items
also the dwarfs can make those kind of protective magical items and I am sure more than few old noble families and knightly orders have a few stashed in their vaults but commissioning them is expensive in the extreme and earing the right to commission them is an ordeal in its own right
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It's actually kind of embarrassing. First there was Regina, then Maghda, then me with Carlotta, and now Mena.
One thing to remember is the circumstances and nature of their accomplishments. Nagash was not only brought up in the most advanced human nation of its time (and can still compete for that category even after all this time), it was a nation dedicated to death. He also had direct tutoring from THE experts on dark magic. His big break through amounted to smooshing the efforts of two civilizations together, and he still required a ridiculous amount of support items to make it work.
What did with his own lore is also pretty primitive. He took the wind of death and Dhar (something noted for its power) and used it to kill a nation.
Teclis can go toe to toe with Morathai and win, and he's not limited to just biggatons. He knew enough about magic to design eight different human understandable magic curriculums that was at least in the same weight class as things centuries it's elder. He innovates. (And it's not like necromancy is limited. When Neferata got Nag's notes, she managed to not only crack them, but improved the result. Nagash is just kind of an idiot)
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Just reread the latest update again and man, what a victory.
Nothing as mournful as a battle won save a battle lost too, but still what torroar described had the Fimir won sounds even worse.
I have to wonder what the Xoh and the Dhar-Maerg said to one another though?
The real question is "wot now" for the Albish.
Victory is theirs and their isle is free of monsters for the time being. But they are so reduced I'm not even sure by how much. The Xoh and the High Oracle made it, so assuming they don't die and can train proper successors they won't have lost any magic, but I don't want to imagine how utterly brutal this was on their population.
My guesses is the Ablish put the mists up and stay hidden for at least a generation, sorting things out on the Isle, taking the time to rebuild what they can, getting rid of the last of the Fimir and then maybe poking their heads out again.
However, with luck they'll remain open enough (and have bruised enough pride) to ask for help instead either from us or the Asur. I for one would be happy to oblige and gain a new trading partner for their booze.
After that though, wot about governing? This wasn't done with a high queen and I'm not sure if its a good idea for the Albish to remain in isolated clans particularly with how many of them just died.
Still, I don't think any giants died, but the dragons need to get smacked for being arses (though Dragons they are so they likely won't be). Actually are the Albionese Giants suffering from the same kind of inbreeding we're seeing in the rest of the old world, or is their pop large enough that this ain't the case? I'm sure it was addressed I just can't find it.
I suppose the other big thing is can they replace destroyed Oghams. Cause that'd be real useful.
Nothing as mournful as a battle won save a battle lost too, but still what torroar described had the Fimir won sounds even worse.
I have to wonder what the Xoh and the Dhar-Maerg said to one another though?
The real question is "wot now" for the Albish.
Victory is theirs and their isle is free of monsters for the time being. But they are so reduced I'm not even sure by how much. The Xoh and the High Oracle made it, so assuming they don't die and can train proper successors they won't have lost any magic, but I don't want to imagine how utterly brutal this was on their population.
My guesses is the Ablish put the mists up and stay hidden for at least a generation, sorting things out on the Isle, taking the time to rebuild what they can, getting rid of the last of the Fimir and then maybe poking their heads out again.
However, with luck they'll remain open enough (and have bruised enough pride) to ask for help instead either from us or the Asur. I for one would be happy to oblige and gain a new trading partner for their booze.
After that though, wot about governing? This wasn't done with a high queen and I'm not sure if its a good idea for the Albish to remain in isolated clans particularly with how many of them just died.
Still, I don't think any giants died, but the dragons need to get smacked for being arses (though Dragons they are so they likely won't be). Actually are the Albionese Giants suffering from the same kind of inbreeding we're seeing in the rest of the old world, or is their pop large enough that this ain't the case? I'm sure it was addressed I just can't find it.
I suppose the other big thing is can they replace destroyed Oghams. Cause that'd be real useful.
While true it should be noted that Teclis has the favor of the Goddess of magic, she is literally bearing a staff dedicated to her. Nagash by contrast killed his people's gods... all save one. While it is true that Neferata improved on the Elixir from her PoV and indeed from her PoV of anyone who did not want to be a giant warp-stone powered skeleton it is possible Nagash simply did not care about that part. What did he need to still look like a human when he was planning to kill all humans anyway?
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Well Nagash's original formula did keep you looking human, but his designe was more to ensure the loyalty of those he gave it too, before any other considerations.
+ wasn't Neferata's improvement in part done by accident, since it was the stuff combined with the venom of an extinct species (a sphinx) which made the whole vampire thing happen.
I'll note that it didn't uh, didn't take too long for Teclis to create the basic lores of the Magic Colleges. As in, the timeline goes that Teclis showed up in the Old World in 2302, met with Magnus/magic users, then established the Magic Colleges in 2304. It's vague as to whether he stayed there and personally taught all the way up to 2326 when he had to return home for his father's funeral and became the High Loremaster, or if he did his journeying around as per usual Teclis...ing. But overall, the Magic Colleges were fully founded and set up in 2304, which means it took him around 2 years or less to create 8 distinct disciplines, modes of thought, teachings, spells, etc. that could be safely taught to humans. Which, personally, I think is pretty neat.
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Yes the Albish giants have degenerated physically similar to the ones of the mainland, though it doesn't seem to be quite as bad. They have armor, clothing and even the youngest and most degenerated possess purpose built weapons with metal components, indicating a possible understanding of metalworking.
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Very true and to a great extent we are comparing apples and oranges here anyway since these are two people with very different goals in mind, probably best to put a pin in the discussion before it devolves into a versus debate.
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Its also worth noting that Teclis is pretty young for an elf. Give it 1000 years and he'll be having teatime with Mazdamundi.
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if you want compare golden spoons Nagash had access to the vast recourses of his very advanced and powerful nation since he was their king in addition he was also head of Mortuary cult an organization that had been gathering and conducting lore and research respectively for thousands of years and through that research brought Kemri to the point of being almost on par with the high elves at their golden age and Nagash had complete command of the organization and even after Nagash was kicked out he found an entire mountain of warp stone to both advance his research as well as fund it through use of hiring the Skaven gaining access to their world spanning trade network
Nagash may have been one of the best but more often then not it was his access to near infinite support for his research that allowed him to advance as he did
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Here you go.
Well we know Teclis is a genius, but I always assumed all he did was translate basic lessons to master one wind that high elves learn into human terms. Still impressive though.