Actually a handful of us sometimes discuss it on the old PoC Discord and I do mean a handful of us because you can count everyone involved in the discussion on one hand. The quest also sometimes get brought up on Poptart's Discord. But those aren't an official discords for this quest and we only discuss the quest over that because when you got a bunch of SV questers together in one place, we tend to discuss the quests that we partake in and enjoy playing.

I also find the idea the Discords are inherently toxic for a quest to be irrational and baseless. Threads and discords are both communities. Problems don't arise from it being a discord, it arises from a toxic community. Take Poptart's Discord for example. It is a well-moderated Discord with a friendly and open community where we have casual discussions about the quest and we don't try and control the vote from the discord and any relevant information regarding the quest that gets mentioned on the Discord is quickly relayed back to the thread proper. And looking at the size of Poptart's threads can tell you that the threads still get plenty of discussion despite the existence of the Discord.

Ultimately, any quest discord, the people in the discord are also in the thread. If you have a problem with the Discord and the people in it, you already have a problem in the thread because the people causing the Discord issues are going to be in the thread as well.

What about those of us who had a hard time getting on freaking Skype let alone something like Discord? Every time a part of a quest thread gets played out on Discord I'm less interested in participating in that thread because I don't have all of the thread to participate in and I have yet to run into a quest thread that will motivate me to join a Discord server even with a temp user name. One probably exists, but I haven't found it yet.
 
What about those of us who had a hard time getting on freaking Skype let alone something like Discord? Every time a part of a quest thread gets played out on Discord I'm less interested in participating in that thread because I don't have all of the thread to participate in and I have yet to run into a quest thread that will motivate me to join a Discord server even with a temp user name. One probably exists, but I haven't found it yet.
Given how a general discussion about quests and Discord relate to each other is off-topic, I'm not going engage in this discussion here lest I fall afoul of the mods.
 
Freddy induced stress might have shaved off a year or five. ;)
Not yet. Freddy fighting and killing long term enemies and getting rid of them is one thing. But consider what Freddy has actually been up to sense the last elector's meet. You know the one that ended in screaming about trade law rationalization? Since then Freddy has been left unsupervised enough to:
-Diplomancy the two biggest not chaotic-stupid-evil elf factions enough, that one faction changed its name and they don't governmentally hate each other any more.
-Got involved in killing off multiple armies of crazy ancient intelligent trees and fae the elves let fester... literally in some cases.
-kill steal an elven avatar in front of a massive audience.
-Found multiple beast paths and proved they can super highway armies into your capital on you.
-come up with a rational alternative to the trade rationalization scheme from last meet.
-Aggroed the sea god's people and got back in their graces by letting them punish him to the point of surviving a horror story levels of retribution.
-Also he rationalized the legal code of his territory going back at least half a millennium and instituted it.

The last last one is that will be hell on earth for Magnus. Freddy just dealt with one of the ancient mammoths in the room of the Empire. As someone went mad and went first its now going to be only a matter of time before other counts are going to get pressured to do the same. While that only technically means Nuln to start for Magnus, eventually that means the Empire legal codes. Even if that last part is going to be stalled until all the provinces do so first.

I honestly wouldn't be suprised if every one of them things he is a madman for doing that. Of all the undiplomatic things to do, Freddy did the unspeakable thing. The metaphysical gauntlet has pimp slapped them all now. I expect a lot of 'screams interally' memes to be generated by the strong ones. Some counts may swoon in raw existential horror from that madness.

All of them are going to end up being forced to handle that horror now. Worse this is entirely outside Freddy's known wheelhouse so they are going to mostly end up blindsided by this unless they are spying on him or have good rumor mills. Worse the merchant may get a taste for it and try and force this concept to spread.
 
think the rest of the Trident can do something like this?
Sigmar knows Nordland will have an easier time with so many people and institutions dead and gone.
Problem is I think he has enough to do, especially as even with the Zacharias Vampire War it still took us about a million years to finish our own law reform

I mean, having ours to look at could help him sketch out what he wants his reform to be, cutting down time, but that's still a long time to spend his personal actions

Especially since Mena says he's been having Opinion problems with his people, we could soak both -3 opinions iirc since we had such high peasant opinion and decent noble opinion, he may not have the space to soak it
 
Problem is I think he has enough to do, especially as even with the Zacharias Vampire War it still took us about a million years to finish our own law reform

I mean, having ours to look at could help him sketch out what he wants his reform to be, cutting down time, but that's still a long time to spend his personal actions

Especially since Mena says he's been having Opinion problems with his people, we could soak both -3 opinions iirc since we had such high peasant opinion and decent noble opinion, he may not have the space to soak it
He might not have the ability to do so but his daughter with all her adventures and running around must have gotten a good chunk of PR change.
Maybe after the Albion scene she can return home and push through those reforms.
Or worse comes to worse, her father pushes the reforms through and abdicates for the younger prettier more popular daughter.
Seriously, I can understand the need to get her hitched, but she has so much to offer. Speaking of which, why doesn't she have any siblings?
If she did she might be able to dump the political marriage alliance thing on them.
 
He might not have the ability to do so but his daughter with all her adventures and running around must have gotten a good chunk of PR change.
Maybe after the Albion scene she can return home and push through those reforms.
Or worse comes to worse, her father pushes the reforms through and abdicates for the younger prettier more popular daughter.
Seriously, I can understand the need to get her hitched, but she has so much to offer. Speaking of which, why doesn't she have any siblings?
If she did she might be able to dump the political marriage alliance thing on them.
That's the thing, Mena isn't very popular with the nobility, it's the same problem we had for a while 10/10 peasant opinion, 2-3/10 Noble opinion, Albion won't make Mena any more popular, nor will the Ostland campaign, that's why this is her last hurrah for her military career, she needs to get the nobles to like her more

Basically, if her father abdicated and left the law stuff on her, she'd probably be dealing with assassins real quick, which isn't something you want to throw on someone with what appears to be early Freddy levels of Diplomacy
 
That's the thing, Mena isn't very popular with the nobility, it's the same problem we had for a while 10/10 peasant opinion, 2-3/10 Noble opinion, Albion won't make Mena any more popular, nor will the Ostland campaign, that's why this is her last hurrah for her military career, she needs to get the nobles to like her more

Basically, if her father abdicated and left the law stuff on her, she'd probably be dealing with assassins real quick, which isn't something you want to throw on someone with what appears to be early Freddy levels of Diplomacy
Maybe she could Mantle Myrmidia like we did Sigmar on accident.
:p

In all seriousness though. I doubt Albion will be nothing. Even if she can't win Noble backing, there are other institutions magical or martial that can give her some clout.
Heck maybe the emperor will end up giving awards or something. If nothing else, Albion will be grateful and while they're depleted, it definitely WON'T be for nothing.

I imagine having your first kid run off to commit extended suicide kills your willingness have another and risk the same situation.
Well on the other hand . His wife is hot. ;)👍
 
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Maybe she could Mantle Myrmidia like we did Sigmar on accident.
:p

In all seriousness though. I doubt Albion will be nothing. Even if she can't win Noble backing, there are other institutions magical or martial that can give her some clout.
Heck maybe the emperor will end up giving awards or something. If nothing else, Albion will be grateful and while they're depleted, it definitely WON'T be for nothing.
Albion isn't for nothing, that I agree with but... think, why would any Nordland noble care that an island they can't trade with is marginally better off? Even if it is preventing a raiding force of Fimir from possibly forming, people don't think like that, if we were destroying a force of raiders she'd get some opinion boost, but just stopping one from possibly forming isn't enough

Further, why would anyone relevant to Mena care that this random island didn't fall to the Fimir? The most I could think of would be the Jade college checking it out to see the druids, but even that could be a bit of a stretch

Albion can't even really give much back to the empire directly for quite some time, this is a very long term investment so, Albion's gratitude won't count for too much either, not soon enough for Nobles or other people in Nordland to really care that Mena helped them out

Tldr: The Empire barely knows Albion exists, and thus won't care about what is done there, and Albion will be too torn up and primitive to give back in time for it to matter for Mena

Edit: though I do agree they will give back eventually
 
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Seriously, I can understand the need to get her hitched, but she has so much to offer. Speaking of which, why doesn't she have any siblings?
If she did she might be able to dump the political marriage alliance thing on them.

She's already married and has three children. She also has two siblings.
  • Draken von Kessel (Son of Stephan von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2309/Bright Wizard - Seconded To Magic College Services/Betrothal Broken
  • Mena von Kessel (Daughter of Stephan von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2310/Heir to Province - Married Within Province
    • Victor von Kessel (nee Adenburg) - Alive/BD: 2311/Married To Mena von Kessel
    • Stephan von Kessel, II (Son of Mena von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2328
    • Helmut von Kessel (Son of Mena von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2331
    • Wolfram von Kessel (Son of Mena von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2333
  • Hedwig von Kessel (Daughter of Stephan von Kessel) - Alive/BD: 2325
 
Literally the driving reason for Magnus to have pushed for command while also bringing in Mena and Reinhardt into Ostland is because of Mena's relationship with the Nordland nobility - specifically her noticeable long-term distance to her husband and children at court, spending most of almost every year out with the Blue Wolves. Aspersions were cast upon her person, her people, and her nature, because she has literally spent so little time actually interacting with the nobility beyond the most cursory of encounters. This was included in a Trident Meeting section, just before this turn took place. And she has also spoken of her children and her husband that she, nominally, says she loves and would not betray - which makes the whole 'Laying the Blue' rumor especially painful and angering to experience. Again, something specified in the Trident Meeting when she was talking to Magnus and Reinhardt about it. Magnus and Reinhardt set up a massive major military campaign and invited her because fighting back against the darkness in exultation of Ulric and glorious battle for the forces of good is pretty much all she ever wanted to do with her life and she struggles mightily under the weight of expectation due to the fact that Draken (the heir) had to go join the Bright Colleges.

The entire point is that Magnus and Reinhardt are willing to go to such lengths for one of their best friends. That's like...one of the main themes of their relationships and the most recent bit of writing I've done for this quest.
 
Heh, Mena was even sad that the campaign in Ostland went so well since she was hoping fighting would last whole year, which is another good reason we got involved with Albion since she gets to fight more and leave Blue Wolves on a really high note.
 
I wonder how mena parents allowed her to became so bad when it came to ruling,rumors and nobility.
For an heir with mena family and various problems to became so bad when it came to the relation with the nobles is very bad.I think that the only thing that will save mena from a rebelion and deadly plots from her nobles is the relation she has with the trident heirs and potentialy the future rulers.The nobles know that if they assasinated mena or rise in rebellion the trident will crush them before the emperor may intervine
 
I wonder how mena parents allowed her to became so bad when it came to ruling,rumors and nobility.
For an heir with mena family and various problems to became so bad when it came to the relation with the nobles is very bad.I think that the only thing that will save mena from a rebelion and deadly plots from her nobles is the relation she has with the trident heirs and potentialy the future rulers.The nobles know that if they assasinated mena or rise in rebellion the trident will crush them before the emperor may intervine
She was never intended to be heir the heir was supposed to be her brother but then her brother became a fire mage and she became heir.
 
Correct. Mena was not meant for being Heir. While she's technically been Heir longer than Draken was, it's always been an uncomfortable weight on her.

Furthermore, Stephan has been handling the drastic repair and resettlement of his province. Make no mistake. The damages that Ostland suffered in the Vampire War are not comparable to what Nordland suffered. Population cuts are one thing, sure, 1/2 surviving vs. 1/3 surviving respectively, but Nordland lost Salzenmund compared to Wulfenburg only suffering the one extremely personal incursion. Furthermore, Zacharias was scattered as hell, and had no major focus to his warmaking. He demanded attacks on places that weren't there, or had moved, or had never existed. His command style was incredibly decentralized, with sub-commander necromancers and vampires basically just rampaging and wandering about due to fear of Zacharias if they didn't. Gruber, on the other hand, corrupted much of the provincial nobility and state troops, knew the state of the province like the back of his hand, corrupted significant areas to the point that it was the effort of many, many years by the Cult of Shallya and the Elves of Laurelorn to cleanse them enough for habitation and usage again, and outright eradicated a lot of infrastructure in preparation for a Materium expansion of Nurgle's Garden.

The issue with this massive long-term rebuilding is that it is boring and expensive, and if there's one thing that a heavily half-Norscan blooded Ulrican nobility might get frustrated with, it's boring and expensive. It's not 'sexy' or 'prestigious' to spend thousands of gold crowns to section out, re-till, and re-plant fields, or create towns from the ground up and slowly shuffle the people in measured fashion to resettle areas, wait for new births and buildup, and then do it again. His armies are carefully deployed and largely patrol back and forth. This is also discussed in the aforementioned Trident Meeting that focused on Mena, Reinhardt, and Magnus. Stephan does not have the same sheer prestige score that Frederick does. He was not invited to Karak Ungor, he accomplished no staggering incredible deeds at the Battle of Three Armies, he did not throw his armies at Sylvania and have them emerge with a victorious heroic legend beginning to be built around a unique individual such as a loyal ogre/elf/dwarf/halfling/whatever and his children are mostly quiet and industrious in following along with his own course - aside from Mena, who has ever chaffed at the role she's been forced into, and Draken, who resents his very existence and birth and outright hates his parents for 'tricking' him into believing he could have a 'normal' life. He has neither offended the Gods nor been granted salvation by them, no pyre was set for him that did not burn because he has committed no heresy, and he has never been keelhauled because he has ever been deferent to Manann - he set up his new temporary capital on the island named for Manann, for goodness sake.

Fredericks' prestige score, it bears repeating, means that he is able to get away with a lot more. By weight of reputation and connection he can, generally, be seen as able to crush local issues underfoot without even necessarily noticing by certain parties. Stephan does not have this luxury of perception, for all that Frederick bought it with sheer blood and pain.

However.

The unyielding steel core of the man who saved 1/3 of the province from Gruber when the world seemed to go mad, who suffered a childhood and early life of mockery, hatred, and self-loathing for the crimes of his parents, who was branded as a babe with the Mark of Chaos thanks to the machinations of Gruber in ruining his family, who held out in a merciless multi-month siege as the very land all around them was warped by Nurgle, who refused to yield despite nightmares and darkest sorceries assaulting his mind and soul nightly, who was prepared to ride out against Gruber after Frederick arrived despite levels of starvation and sleeplessness that would kill some lesser men? He's still there.

That man is not yet dead.

The problem is that it has been decades since the province has been reminded just who Stephan the Unbroken is, and as such, after years of Mena letting her husband, her father, and her siblings deal with matters at court, Mena's position at court is intensely unstable and unwell. The fight in Ostland was meant to be her last hurrah, a gift of bloodshed and pious war in the name of the Gods, before she gave up the Blue Wolves and went to fight not with steel but with words, given to her by Magnus, with Reinhardt there to show his support both for Mena and Magnus and Ostland as well. They simply happened to finish with critical potency far ahead of 'schedule', and for this, there was guilt, there was self-recrimination, there was maudlin disappointment. Then they got to drinking, and then through the depths of that drinking, there was an option, a possibility, a desire to give comfort to a friend in the way that she favored most - before she resigned herself to truly living the life she never wanted but duty not compels her to.

Thus, Albion. I'm tired and don't care to go back, but I recall...wish fulfillment, or something, being accused of with regards to what's happening. No. 'Wish fulfillment' would be the Polar Gates closing once more, disease being eradicated fully, the insanely harsh nature of the Empire wearing away, and only glory and kindness and peace for all. The greenskins and skaven would cease to be, the Druchii cast down, and there would not be a woman suffering a near heart attack every time her husband went to fight. Or a young woman who couldn't simply ride and be free upon the roads and plains. And I could write that. It would be all of 100 words, at most. And I suppose that could be the 'end' of any and all writing in this quest, in this universe, because what else would there be? This is friendship taken to extremes in a world of extremes, lubricated with a bit of extreme chance, and a bit of extreme alcohol, and a slight push of fate to go to somewhere and fight some things and do some stuff. And really, that's basically Warhammer in a nutshell. When Gotrek and Felix popped out in Albion, it was because that's where they ended up. The Heir Group could have ended up in Norsca, or in the Wasteland, or just in Troll Country, the point was to go try and fight something to fight something because all of the 'major' fighting in Ostland was done so early. It was literally a four sided die. At this point I'm rambling, bleh. Night ya'll.
 
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At this point I'm rambling, bleh. Night ya'll.
Gnight torroar. Even if it was Tzeentch and Ranald having a little game of chance, responding to a prayer or even just the natural consequence of having Drunken servants of Manann guiding ships to shore, it has been an awesome quest and hope that it keeps going for a good long time. Cheers!
MALAGOR SAYS HELLO!!!
Random roll 100 has appeared and decimated the beastmen!
 
legitimately worried that norland and hochland if rolls are bad enough that norland will have to restart the whole process over again and that hochland have to go through the same thing as norland did
 
@torroar, I had a few more mercenary ideas. Sorry if I'm posting them too often: I've been brainstorming them for Estalia and Kislev quest as well, and sometimes some seem to fit best here.

Scattered Sons of Sigmar
[Race: Human] [Origins: The Old World] [Description:Sigmarite archers from the various Imperial diasporas, such as Montfort or Erengrad, seeking to prove themselves the equal in bravery and worth to the motherland. While they are not the absolute best, or the most numerous, they are fairly cheap as these things go, and not as prone to melting in Melee as other archers.] [Numbers: 500 Archers]

The Ship Takers [Race: Ogres] [Origin:Mountains of Mourne] [Description: Ogre Bulls under the "Admiral" Glokur Seaboiler, an ambitious Firebelly with no less than five vessels under her command. Nobody tell her they were the oldest designs the Tileans could bribe her with.] [Numbers: 5 Gallies, 1 Admiral Glokur Seaboiler-- an ogre firebelly]
 
if that happens does it doom the world to death by green skin? Cause they can still cast w/o the winds.
By that point the Empire will be like 70% ogre, considering birth rates, so the orcs probably get outright eaten.

They will be exquisitely prepared along the strictures of haute cuisine and they shall be scrumptious.
 
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