This is true, I think, of not just large quests, but larger fiction threads and to a certain extent larger threads in general on forums, not just SV. There's a certain momentum, a certain direction, and when people happen to disrupt it, for better or worse they therefore face a significant amount of individuals who - even if just momentarily - turn themselves to said person directly. If the post is popular, it can gain sudden swathes of positive attention, and can do the opposite as well. Going against the grain, or even just happening to bring something up that others within the greater thread population don't want/like/etc. even if it is innocuous, or even outright hopefully pleasant and well-meant, there can be a thrust of backlash. And it sucks. Heck, it's happened to me before, and the negative responses received at the time certainly didn't make me feel great. This is unfortunate, because while this thread doesn't move as quickly as, say, Divided Loyalties, and can in fact sort of grind to a halt on occasion, it can and does happen. And while I look at the thread usually at least once daily, it can move past me, or I can be distracted by other things. At the same time, it wouldn't be healthy for me to try and micro-manage everything either at all times. All I can hope is that we try to be excellent with one another, despite the fact that sometimes we'll be in bad moods, or depressed, or dealing with other RL things that might affect our attitude while posting. Which, even speaking for myself, is sometimes an issue.
 
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Mostly what has been happening with large quests is that most of the ideas are hash and rehashed on a discord before being brought into a a thread.

Due to the nature of the forum architecture it's easier to debate on the discord before coming with all the ideas already passed through a soundboard.

Of course sometimes that just alienates part of the playerbase as the player already come into the thread with a voting block formed.

It's a interesting situation because people consider a forum thread sacrossant and even rejoice when we see someone doing the voyage ie reading everything, giving likes then being lauded when they reach the most recent discussions.

And most of the time we don't like what we consider paraquedism ie dropping in the most recent discussions without knowing all the lore and thread arguments.

Quest culture has become like that, newbies go to a discord get out to speed by the already formed cabal, then delurk wheb they finally feel they can contribute to new discussions with new ideas.
 
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I mean frankly I hate discord groups in quests. The voting blocks sucks a lot of discussion out of the thread, and it's incredibly frustrating when half the questers are operating on op post knowledge from the discord that can't be easily accessed by the other questers.

Furthermore, weird shit can fester on the more closed off communities. I remember one Lotr Uruk Hai quest where in the discord the author wrote about characters raping and such, which then directly impacted the forum quest. Combo of sudden coomer, actual vile shit and some questers having way more say than others just kinda ruined the whole quest for a lot of people.

Tldr discord communities for quest tend to just be drama, edgy memes and cuts out a lot of the thread when it comes to planning. ... there isn't one for this quest is there?
 
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I mean frankly I hate discord groups in quests. The voting blocks sucks a lot of discussion out of the thread, and it's incredibly frustrating when half the questers are operating on op post knowledge from the discord that can't be easily accessed by the other questers.

Furthermore, weird shit can fester on the more closed off communities. I remember one Lotr Uruk Hai quest where in the discord the author wrote about characters raping and such, which then directly impacted the forum quest. Combo of sudden coomer, actual vile shit and some questers having way more say than others just kinda ruined the whole quest for a lot of people.

Tldr discord communities for quest tend to just be drama, edgy memes and cuts out a lot of the thread when it comes to planning. ... there isn't one for this quest is there?
There is no Discord for this quest AFAIK. Completely agree on what you said about quest Discords though.
 
Actually a handful of us sometimes discuss it on the old PoC Discord and I do mean a handful of us because you can count everyone involved in the discussion on one hand. The quest also sometimes get brought up on Poptart's Discord. But those aren't an official discords for this quest and we only discuss the quest over that because when you got a bunch of SV questers together in one place, we tend to discuss the quests that we partake in and enjoy playing.

I also find the idea the Discords are inherently toxic for a quest to be irrational and baseless. Threads and discords are both communities. Problems don't arise from it being a discord, it arises from a toxic community. Take Poptart's Discord for example. It is a well-moderated Discord with a friendly and open community where we have casual discussions about the quest and we don't try and control the vote from the discord and any relevant information regarding the quest that gets mentioned on the Discord is quickly relayed back to the thread proper. And looking at the size of Poptart's threads can tell you that the threads still get plenty of discussion despite the existence of the Discord.

Ultimately, any quest discord, the people in the discord are also in the thread. If you have a problem with the Discord and the people in it, you already have a problem in the thread because the people causing the Discord issues are going to be in the thread as well.
 
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I mean frankly I hate discord groups in quests. The voting blocks sucks a lot of discussion out of the thread, and it's incredibly frustrating when half the questers are operating on op post knowledge from the discord that can't be easily accessed by the other questers.

Furthermore, weird shit can fester on the more closed off communities. I remember one Lotr Uruk Hai quest where in the discord the author wrote about characters raping and such, which then directly impacted the forum quest. Combo of sudden coomer, actual vile shit and some questers having way more say than others just kinda ruined the whole quest for a lot of people.

Tldr discord communities for quest tend to just be drama, edgy memes and cuts out a lot of the thread when it comes to planning. ... there isn't one for this quest is there?
Could I request a link via pm? I wanna see how bad things got.
 
Can Frederick von Hohenzollern become the emperor after the current one die?
If he gets voted in yes. Will he? No, because Tor doesn't want to write that, Freddy will do literally everything in his power to make sure he isn't elected and most if not all of the counts (and yes I am including our personal friends in that) will be wise enough to realize having someone as undiplomatic as Freddy as Emperor would be a terrible idea.
 
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If he gest voted in yes. Will he? No, because Tor doesn't want to write that, Freddy will do literally everything in his power to make sure he isn't elected and most if not all of the counts (and yes I am including our personal friends in that) will be wise enough to realize having someone as undiplomatic as Freddy as Emperor would be a terrible idea.
Also, that. I highly doubt Freddy would WANT to be Emperor.
 
If he gets voted in yes. Will he? No, because Tor doesn't want to write that, Freddy will do literally everything in his power to make sure he isn't elected and most if not all of the counts (and yes I am including our personal friends in that) will be wise enough to realize having someone as undiplomatic as Freddy as Emperor would be a terrible idea.
I don't recall Torroar saying Freddy can't be emperor.

I know it's unlikely for Freddy to be emperor because many players have voiced they do not want Freddy to be emperor, even though the players seem to poke their way into everything in the empire. Ork Whaagh? We must prepare! Beast-tide, Ostland must be the target, prepare! Halfling, dwarf, and ogre rights are unfair in the empire, we must fix that! The empire has less guns than reasonable, fix that!

As for the diplomacy issue, Freddy could get the majority votes, depending on who is at the voting table, or Ortrud. It's not like the low diplomacy is actually a problem if by the time the election happens Freddy is in a good relationship with the majority of the counts.
 
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I don't recall Torroar saying Freddy can't be emperor.

I know it's unlikely for Freddy to be emperor because many players have voiced they do not want Freddy to be emperor, even though the players seem to poke their way into everything in the empire. Ork Whaagh? We must prepare! Beast-tide, Ostland must be the target, prepare! Halfling, dwarf, and ogre rights are unfair in the empire, we must fix that! The empire has less guns than reasonable, fix that!
Eh, Freddy becoming Emperor is super unlikely since not the most popular guy politically, being the Emperor is kinda tough thankless job at the best times even for Magnus, and if Freddy did become Emperor he would likely stick his nose in everyone's business like said.

I am personally happy just working on Ostland since much more freedom to do shit without inference, but do admit would like to get some things from rest of Empire since the other provinces are nominally our friends and allies so of course we want them strong if only to keep Ostland safe.
 
Eh, Freddy becoming Emperor is super unlikely since not the most popular guy politically, being the Emperor is kinda tough thankless job at the best times even for Magnus, and if Freddy did become Emperor he would likely stick his nose in everyone's business like said.

I am personally happy just working on Ostland since much more freedom to do shit without inference, but do admit would like to get some things from rest of Empire since the other provinces are nominally our friends and allies so of course we want them strong if only to keep Ostland safe.
Who is the most popular guy politically?

Cause I haven't heard much in the rumor mills. There is obviously Emperor Magnus. Anybody else?

Ortrud, she does stuff, and most seem to ignore her relationship with magic.

The one person I'm aware of who has made the rumor mill a lot is Freddy. The other people have died, or faded into obscurity. Gunthar is trying to build his rep, but it is an uphill climb.
 
Who is the most popular guy politically?
Gunthar has a good headstart since he is the brother of Magnus the Pious after all.

Then again, the Emperor doesn't have to be an Elector just someone all the Electors majority vote for. Could be a minor noble with no spine since after all historically most Emperors were quite weak so provinces could do what they wanted most of the time.
 
Gunthar has a good headstart since he is the brother of Magnus the Pious after all.

Then again, the Emperor doesn't have to be an Elector just someone all the Electors majority vote for. Could be a minor noble with no spine since after all historically most Emperors were quite weak so provinces could do what they wanted most of the time.
Traditionally the Emperor has been one of the Elector Counts. It's why Magnus the Pious is considered an outlier in this regard - he might set precedent, but it is unlikely in this case.

So more likely the new Emperor will be Ludenhof.
 
On a whole, the elector count of Reikland would be the most likely one to be elected as Emperor since he is the one person with the least friction against him and has a decent showing.

The trident block, whoever gets up there, would be facing Gunthar and southern block, vice versa for Gunthar and anyone from Marienburg/Moot as the Trident would not vote for them.

But yea, Emperor business is prob not our thing. Handling Ostland is already tough, nvm the entire Imperial.
 
Count Rommel of Reikland is very much the vanilla option. Not too strong but not too weak either. He's very much the middle ground with all the good and bad that comes with it.
 
The new Ludenhof? Probably, Ludenhofs hate Hohenzollerns after all.

Will he do anything about it? Probably not, the current Ludenhof has been defined by his absolute lack of actually doing anything, after all.

Does this make him an ideal Emperor candidate? For people who don't want a strong-willed Emperor, yes!
I see. So the way to deal with this is to get one of our supporters to be emperor.
... I don't think anyone of us wants to be emperor though.

But yea, Emperor business is prob not our thing. Handling Ostland is already tough, nvm the entire Imperial.
Eh. When our Magnus gets back he'll be perfectly be able to takeover EC duties.

We're probably gonna have some problems winning especially because of our wife being a foreign priestess/princess.

Shame. I wanna see how our Sigmarness will resonate with Ghal Maraz.
 
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