I think the upcoming beastmen arc will really influence the next emperor decision as more then likely by the time magnus passes of old age all of the other elector counts will be significantly aged as well... and prob not in the best position to be emperor. Even if old ppl can do badass stuff still in this setting.

We also have to remember that at least 50% of the entirety of the empire will be...gutted after the Beastmen invasion.

Still, it's amazing how coordinated and sneaky Malagor is in his quest to destroy the Empire, so kudos for all his hard work.

I can't wait to see all the amazing battles and legendary moments that Torroar will present to us. Hopefully Freddy and Urgdug will get at least 2 Beast Lord kills each.
 
We also have to remember that at least 50% of the entirety of the empire will be...gutted after the Beastmen invasion.
Maybe, but I think the Beastmen might actually be worse off then us if their Attack fails and the Empire, no matter how damaged, still stands.

From the looks of it, they're putting almost EVERYTHING in the Old World - or at least the Part of the old World between the Ocean and the World's Edge Mountains - into this Attack. If they lose here, even they will need GENERATIONS to recover.
 
Huh, I just realized that going by canon timeline Big Magnus will die in about 18 years in 2369. Obviously that might be earlier or later now in quest due to rolls and such, but still crazy to think Magnus the Pious' reign might now end in less than a generation considering all the great work in general he has done so far.

No doubt the day he does pass from the world the whole Empire will be in a state of mourning for a good amount of time, and likely his brother will be elected to replace him assuming he ages well.
Gunther has accomplishments to his name, no doubt, but he's never going to be emperor. He's Ulrican so the Sigmarites would vote against him and poison the votes they could. All of his actions have been confined to Middenland, so he doesn't have the prestige or a reputation as an impartial choice to swing other provinces or counteract their meddling. His other actions have also alienated the trident, who were his traditional supporters. So yeah, who's going to vote for him?
 
Gunther has accomplishments to his name, no doubt, but he's never going to be emperor. He's Ulrican so the Sigmarites would vote against him and poison the votes they could. All of his actions have been confined to Middenland, so he doesn't have the prestige or a reputation as an impartial choice to swing other provinces or counteract their meddling. His other actions have also alienated the trident, who were his traditional supporters. So yeah, who's going to vote for him?
Maybe Talabecland, if only to spite the Hohenzollerns. But beyond that? No clue.
 
We also have to remember that at least 50% of the entirety of the empire will be...gutted after the Beastmen invasion.

on the bright side with the reduced number of provinces and the assimilation of those province by the survivors we might see the empire start down the road towards centralization beginning the evolutionary path from being a Holy Roman Empire expy to a German Empire expy making the empire many order of magnitude more powerful , capable and organized
 
We also have to remember that at least 50% of the entirety of the empire will be...gutted after the Beastmen invasion.
Lets not assume damage done until it happens. We know the army will be big certainly, but not details of attack or anything like that.
Still, it's amazing how coordinated and sneaky Malagor is in his quest to destroy the Empire, so kudos for all his hard work.
He built up the thing he hates in order to tear it down.

Hmmm, if I had a choice about who would become the next Emperor I would vote Reinhardt since the young man has a good head on his shoulders in general out of all the younger potential people outside of family.
 
Emperor Magnus II 'von Hohenzollern ' anyone?

While unlikely, it's nice to atleast picture it not gonna lie. Through I find it hard to find anyone other more fitting for the role.
 
Nah, I frankly do not want Freddy to be Emperor.

Handling Ostland and the Northern Trident is already tough, the ENTIRE Imperial? No sire, I'm happy with Ostland and North.

Granted, I'll vote for the guy from Reikland or even Averland.
 
I saw a post about Gunther being passed over for the emperor in the orgininal timeline the reason is that he pissed of the grand theologist since he was tricked by a worshiper of tzeenth that the grand theologist wanted to forma theocracy) granted the next emperor will be different since Leopold is not the elector count of stirland. So I will be looking forward to see what happens this time since I don't know if the scandel of the Shroud will still happen if say magnus dies early
 
Its also possible to vote for someone who isn't an Elector all, just some who has enough backing for others to vote for them like it was for Magnus.

The Sword of Justice has done good work and having an Empress sounds cool.:p
I saw a post about Gunther being passed over for the emperor in the orgininal timeline the reason is that he pissed of the grand theologist since he was tricked by a worshiper of tzeenth that the grand theologist wanted to forma theocracy) granted the next emperor will be different since Leopold is not the elector count of stirland. So I will be looking forward to see what happens this time since I don't know if the scandel of the Shroud will still happen if say magnus dies early
Considering his own experiences I doubt Gunther will be fooled as easily as in canon, he has upped his intrigue score since he found out his friend was a vampire who fooled him.
 
Said Vampire also tried to trick Gunther into starting a war with Ostland over the Middle mountains IMS.
 
i can see this potentially
If during an Elector count meet someone every dares to accuse Freddy of wanting to take over the empire, Freddy would just laugh out loud in his face for a few minutes before saying he was not dumb enough to get buried in the paperwork required for an empire no offense to magnus
 
This is all pretty premature
Indeed it is, just kinda odd to think that Big Magnus' death could be so close from our perspective since 18 turns is not that long all things considered, but granted you are right in that we have no idea if gonna happen like canon or if things change. Its just fun to think about what ifs since once Magnus does bite it he is gonna leave behind some very large shoes to fill is all.
 
The upcoming beastman and green skin war is probably what makes or breaks a successor for Magnus. At present there isn't really anyone in the right age bracket who is connected, respected and trusted enough to lead the empire. Being a stand-out hero in empire wide threats is probably what earns them the prestige and trust to be considered. Who they fight with or save is what will give them connections (and votes).

But that assumes the Empire is coherent enough to survive these threats and vote in a new emperor or that any candidates don't get murked in the fighting of course.
 
"So we'll not be doing that one. And if any of them wish to make an issue of it, they can come talk in person," she grunts. "Not least of which because the averages of reported tithing for those that were in Ostland meant that they were of said charitable breed, lowballing their fees considerably and consistently, and that level of weregild is far in excess of their projected earnings."

"Well…that's good," you say grudgingly.

"Mmm," she sniffs and looks at the paper again before looking back at you.
Finally remembered that I wanted to comment on this: oof. :(

The Priests of Manann in Ostland... were the kind of people who didn't ask for much pay, and just worked hard.

They just... they just did their best and worked hard, and didn't ask for much pay. And now half of them are dead. Oof.

Y'know? That one sentence there, when I read it, really did so much to fill me in on the kind of problem we might be facing back home in Ostland. The sheer amount of problem. Just... What happens when half of the charitable and hardworking die? What kind of new work/religious culture might spring up afterwards? How might they feel about the work they do afterwards?

How bitter -- or even just paranoid and fearful -- might the next generation feel?

That... could have terrible effects on the work and on the country. It's having your entire priesthood suddenly be filled with people who are less patriotic, more bitter and fearful, having less faith in their Count to be willing to protect them from Sigmarite Witch Hunters... That's entirely on us.

I'm really glad that we're going the max to try and make up for this, because those people deserve our best.

I felt a sinking feeling upon learning about Ostland's Manannite Priests being the charitable types because, fuck, we just got half of them killed. Shit.
Its also possible to vote for someone who isn't an Elector all, just some who has enough backing for others to vote for them like it was for Magnus.
Well, what about the --
The Sword of Justice has done good work and having an Empress sounds cool.:p
ah. Huh. Heh. Same idea.

Though, ah, probably not for real. I don't think she'd want to become Empress would she? Though, who knows. Hmm. Hmmm... She did travel all across the Empire doing Sword Of Justice Stuff after all. She's respected by default by Freddy, Stephan, and Ortrud. She's got a good relationship with the Dwarfs too of course.

What we really need, is somebody who can bind the various provinces together via mutual trust. Somebody who can serve as a unifier, somebody who everybody can trust. At minimum, they need to be able to have enough trust to go "This person won't screw us over carelessly or intentionally." At best, having them actually like and/or trust the person or be convinced of their sterling reputation and integrity, would be good.

Evangeline might not be a bad choice in some respects, actually. The only question/problem is, does she have the sheer desire to do so, to rule the Empire? And does she have the talent for Statesmanship and Diplomacy? Because, getting people's trust or appreciation via doing Freddy things like killing monsters, is different from "actually having good diplomatic skills and being able to get along with or coax people." If she's kind of a stick-in-the-mud about things, it might be a bit awkward.

And, again, of course... if she has no desire to move from her position -- a position which sees her honor Verena -- then it's not happening.

... I wonder what the Elector Count of Averland or Stirland might be like, then?

That is -- I am looking at those from the perspective of "Stirland had a ton of cross-Imperial efforts and backing to help take back Sylvania. And Averland will have had the whole Empire mobilizing to defend against Black Fire Pass."

I am looking at those two, as examples of inter-Empire coordination and unity and cooperation.

As provinces that benefitted from everybody in the Empire coming together.

And so, therefore, maybe the person from Stirland or Averland might be a decent pick? Because they would have had everybody in the Empire help them. Which might mean that they could, um, well... feel the importance of inter-Empire peace and cooperation?


... Let's forge stronger ties to the south half of the Empire, guys.

Let's find out who all the people are. What all the people are like.

Let's... let's be more proactive in doing what we can for Sigmar's Empire, eh? I mean, in terms of getting along with our fellow Kings, and understanding and knowing where everyone stands. Since we already act proactively to help defend the Empire. I meant "more proactive" in the sense of "Knowing and understand the rest of the Empire, too."

You know, it could be cool if we had more meetings with the other Elector Counts. Not quite like the Northern Trident, which meets every year, but... Is an Elector's Meet every 6 (or was it 5? I think 6?) years enough? Or maybe it IS enough, and what we really need to do is start using the Elector's meet more effectively, in socializing with everyone.

Maybe we should send Magnus (our son, I mean) and Arthur to meet the other people, Electors or their Heirs, in Altdorf while we go to the meet itself. Maybe we should try to get the Elector's Meet to be a little bit longer than it currently takes.

Maybe we should try to introduce some kind of friendly activity for everyone to do in the Elector's Meet. I have no idea what it is though. ... And also, worry that our attempt to do so would run into a blindspot on our player's and Freddy's part, and come off as something very awkward or insulting or something. Or maybe not, who knows.


Just... I now want to be able to get a better/stronger feel for the rest of the Empire, you know?

... If only because I've seen some very good people in the Empire, and I want to hear more about them. And I want to find all the good people too. And start working together with them -- or at minimum making sure we do not work at cross-purposes... Because, like, in some cases? That's all it would take in order to good; simply to be familiar with the other person, and making sure you don't accidentally work at cross-purposes. That's all it'll take for Maghda, I feel. Simply making sure we know what we are all trying to do and how, and how we can work together.

... Also... The Religious Conclave that meets every year. @torroar who goes to that conclave? I don't mean "what Priests go there", I mean "What normal people go there"? Magnus of course. But, like... has an Elector Count or an heir every shown up there? What about our son Arthur? Has he been down there? Would it be an extremely awkward or poor idea to go to the religious conclave, or at least go to Altdorf, at a time when the religious conclave is taking place? Am I totally talking out of my ass and being a blundering bull when I talk about this, on par with Frederick's first meeting with Moro, or am I doing okay here?
 
Recently found this thread. Anything I should know first? Because I see a lot of staff post and report so anything I should know?
 
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