Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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I'll probably vote for the Reikmarshal tbh.

But that's prob an issue that'll come maybe 20-30 turns down the line.
 
Current Reiksmarshal is one of Adolf's sons IIRC. Though IMO the best current choice for Emperor after Magnus is Alberich Rommel of Reikland. We don't know of anyone who outright dislikes the guy, no controversies that I can think of that'd count against him, he's a Sigmarite.
We also get on reasonably well with him, so I would definitely feel comfortable with Frederick supporting him should the worst happen to Big Magnus.

EDIT: And as far as big deeds go we know of at least one with holding off Drachenfels until Magnus and Teclis could come to his aid.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Well, yeah, but Stephan is actively un-destroying his Province, and Stirland is actively un-necromancing Sylvania. Ostland is doing better than either of them, but that's as much because we had an entire major war that involved killing Zacharias' minions in addition to himself less recently than Stirland had theirs.

Oh, yeah, I completely forgot about the controversies being so major. Maybe it's because I hang around settings where magic either isn't nearly as hostile or outright doesn't exist. Regardless, it's been over a decade for most of that. You'd think they'd start calming down about stuff Magnus has given approval for(Mage Colleges) and the Esmereldans was as much the decision of the local halflings as anything else, with something similar happening with the Morrites after the Vampire War. Freddy certainly didn't try and stop them, but I'm fairly certain they'd be angry with him for intervening if he'd done that, so it was kind of a no-win scenario.
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Economically, Ostland's major(Hohenzollern-held) industries recovered within the decade. And while Nordland is probably the weakest member of the Trident in terms of land and economy due to the devastation of Gruber, Nordland still maintained a major fleet and added another vote to the Elector's Meets(plus they gave away land to the Laurelorn, which probably didn't sit well with Middenland and Reikland).

Also, up until recently, Stirland did not trust us because we had good relations with the Moot.

Basically, a lot of other provinces had some reason(or reasons) to find issue with the Trident but were unable to do anything about it due to there being a strong emperor and the Trident being too powerful.
veekie said:
The Cult of Sigmar gets more dickery mainly because its on top. It does the things dominant but not exclusively dominant religions do to compete, many of which can be harmful, because it is an unchecked authority.

Any cult in the same spot would be as bad.
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There was a time when the Taalite Taleutens tried to subjugate or replace all nature gods with Taal. Some even going as far as to proclaim Taal King of all Gods(which the Teutogens rejected) .
This was around the same time when the Teutogens just flat-out butchered any cult that competed with Ulric.
Mopman43 said:
Hmm, Ortrud? Is that on the logic that she doesn't have the diplomatic hang-ups that Frederick or Stephan have? She's made in-roads (including literal ones) with Stirland, but otherwise, her diplomacy seems to be focused on the Dwarfs.

If Magnus died today... honestly, it'd probably be Rommel as a compromise candidate. Frederick has too many enemies, Stephan would have trouble with the Cult of Sigmar over his wife, Ortrud hasn't made many diplomatic overtures and has some magic-related issues herself, Hochland is a no for obvious reasons, Gunthar would get no support from the Cult of Sigmar or the Northern Trident, so he'd have no base to build off of, Talabecland is either the immensely old Adolf or one of his sons new to the throne, Wissenland is too new, Stirland is focused on Sylvania, Leitdorf is a Leitdorf...
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Hochland being a No-Show might actually be a point in their favour under normal circumstances.
Strong provinces tend to prefer weak Emperors.

Also, the current Leitdorf seems pretty well-respected. And the madness of Marius Leitdorf wasn't entirely on him.
Averland means voting for a pious Sigmarite, a good warrior and someone who owes Reikland and Marienburg(and who might still owe the Moot).
He might get elected on being being considered susceptible to bribery and blackmail if Magnus were to drop dead right now.

Rommel would be a strong and fairly independent Emperor, but the question is whether or not the Electors actually want another strong Emperor.
 
mmgaballah said:
considering we are part of said electors , I can safely assume that we do want a strong and fairly independent Emperor
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We are but one vote. Others might vote with us because they respect/trust us, but they ultimately have to look out for number one.

Someone like Gunthar would probably make a fairly strong and independent Emperor if he managed to get elected. This is probably not in our best interests considering his somewhat anti-foreigner stance.
Likewise, if Krieglitz got elected, we'd probably see some development in Sylvania... followed by anti-Halfling measures. A weak Emperor Krieglitz means we'd get to support the former and ignore/stonewall the latter in Ostland.

Strong and Independent Emperor does not necessarily mean good. Strong and Independent means they can force their policies(both the good and the bad) and that they have their own agenda(like Magnus with his Colleges of Magic, which people are leery about) instead of mostly devolving decisionmaking to the provincial level.
 
mmgaballah said:
considering we are part of said electors , I can safely assume that we do want a strong and fairly independent Emperor
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There is a lot of back and forth on what we would want in an Emperor.

Ideally, we want an emperor like Magnus the pious. Realistically, we will get a weak emperor no matter who is chosen.

No matter who takes the spot, they won't be working from a position where they are the number one beloved person in the empire, like Magnus started with. That sets the poor foolish emperor in a position where cracks will begin to show, like Ostland doing it's best to control national policy to benefit Ostland and sometimes, viewed in a certain way, the Empire.

We'd need someone with a high charisma and intrigue stat in the Emperor position (to keep the empire united, plus capable of dealing with intrigue in the empire), and not too weak that Freddy could boss them around through Freddy's martial might. Nobody, but Magnus the pious, will likely be able to fit those requirements.

There is another problem, that who ever the players want to choose at the time of selection for new emperor will be in the best interests of the players, not necessarily in the best interests of the empire. Small problem, admittingly, players only have one vote.

If we want a strong emperor, choosing Freddy, is unfortunately the best choice if Magnus died this turn. Yeah, sure things might be relatively splintered. However, Freddy comes with the trident's approval, has the respect of the sigmarites, would logically be a better choice than whatever Averland, Wissenland, and Reikland, could call into play (Reikland doesn't seem to have any strong connections to other provinces outside Averland. Wissenland's elector is too new). Stirland is a bit of a wild card, but the Elector there might be able to live with Freddy as the emperor. Only the elctors of Talabecland, and Middenland really have disapproval to Freddy, alongside the Moot, and Marienburg.
 
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Marlin said:
If we want a strong emperor, choosing Freddy, is unfortunately the best choice if Magnus died this turn. Yeah, sure things might be relatively splintered. However, Freddy comes with the trident's approval, has the respect of the sigmarites, would logically be a better choice than whatever Averland, Wissenland, and Reikland, could call into play (Reikland doesn't seem to have any strong connections to other provinces outside Averland. Wissenland's elector is too new). Stirland is a bit of a wild card, but the Elector there might be able to live with Freddy as the emperor. Only the elctors of Talabecland, and Middenland really have disapproval to Freddy, alongside the Moot, and Marienburg.
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"It is the fifth year of Emperor Frederick. The ongoing war against the separatists is proceeding as..."
 
Marlin said:
If we want a strong emperor, choosing Freddy, is unfortunately the best choice if Magnus died this turn. Yeah, sure things might be relatively splintered. However, Freddy comes with the trident's approval, has the respect of the sigmarites, would logically be a better choice than whatever Averland, Wissenland, and Reikland, could call into play (Reikland doesn't seem to have any strong connections to other provinces outside Averland. Wissenland's elector is too new). Stirland is a bit of a wild card, but the Elector there might be able to live with Freddy as the emperor. Only the elctors of Talabecland, and Middenland really have disapproval to Freddy, alongside the Moot, and Marienburg.
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I mean, I could absolutely see Freddie getting elected. The Trident + Stirland + Sigmar + Wissenland is a coalition I could see Freddie assembling, and that;s enough votes. I could see Ortrud doing it just as easily, and without galvanizing opposition nearly as much.
 
Qeqre said:
Hochland being a No-Show might actually be a point in their favour under normal circumstances.
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I mean, there's weak Emperors, and then there's non-entity Emperors. As far as I'm aware, when power blocks want a weak Emperor in place, they intend to have a puppet that they can use to use imperial institutions for their own benefit. If they put Hochland in charge, there just... wouldn't be an Emperor.

Besides, basically all of the Electors are dismissive of Hochlands Elector Count on a personal basis.
 
You know on a change of topic Averland had been buying mines from us for over half a decade now. Any chance the world has its fist minefield yet? I mean there definetly are fields with mines in it. But has Averland made an actual minefield exclusion zone yet?

And also how are the Trident and Stirland taking our Bayonets and Bullfists?
 
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Mopman43 said:
Against Orcs, a minefield exclusion zone isn't. They'd just send the Goblins and Snotlings in first to clear it.
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True but that just mean you have to pet even more mines! I figure the field would actually be behind the Doomspheres and Deathspinners. Clear the chaff and slow down enemy lines by breaking them up with a random mine placements. With Birdbomber harriers the entire way, add in Cannon, gun, archer and crossbow fire. Even Black Orc lines would be patchy as heck after that kind of strafing.

Their combat style runs off numbers and momentum making up to lack of discipline and complex tactics. Most of our special products excel at breaking up what cohesion the do have. From nullifying the advantage of lightly armed horses to killing charges and hitting heavy hitters behind the front line with targeted bombing.

Given over half a decade Lietdoef should have been able to develop quite a bit of strategy for their use against his main threat. That being orcs.

I actually wouldn't mind joint training for troops with the guy. Nothing beats strategies learned from real experience like that. Weve had a lot of experience with offense but Averland as a whole is built from generations of defending against greenskins.

That could be useful for further defense fortification improvements. From a human perspective instead of dwarven. I wouldnt be surprised if the guy had even experimented with the idea of field trenches and staggered firing platforms in fortifications.

Maybe even the initial idea of star forts due to the increased prevalence of Cannons on the worry that orc might adopt them en mass if he has seen any Black Orcs wheel over a Daemon Cannon from the Chaos Dwarves.

The question is what would a man whose ancestors defined themselves on the defense against greenskins research and improve militarily seeing his ancient foes reveal Black Orcs near his families defenses for the first time? And then given a decade to adjust?
 
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Qeqre said:
There was a time when the Taalite Taleutens tried to subjugate or replace all nature gods with Taal. Some even going as far as to proclaim Taal King of all Gods(which the Teutogens rejected) .
This was around the same time when the Teutogens just flat-out butchered any cult that competed with Ulric.
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Yeah. Basically, any free-willed power in a position of unchecked authority is as bad, be they priest, noble, or merchant.
And checked powers are vulnerable to destabilization, pairs of peers readily enter unification, all it takes is one of the two to weaken, and the other will get in a position to accumulate advantages.
And past trios you go into the opposite problem of deadlock, as the most probable shared desirable outcome of a large number of parties is to maintain the status quo or make minor, inoffensive changes.

Three independent peers is about as stable as you can get without either hazard. God knows how long they'd stay in that configuration though.
 
veekie said:
Yeah. Basically, any free-willed power in a position of unchecked authority is as bad, be they priest, noble, or merchant.
And checked powers are vulnerable to destabilization, pairs of peers readily enter unification, all it takes is one of the two to weaken, and the other will get in a position to accumulate advantages.
And past trios you go into the opposite problem of deadlock, as the most probable shared desirable outcome of a large number of parties is to maintain the status quo or make minor, inoffensive changes.

Three independent peers is about as stable as you can get without either hazard. God knows how long they'd stay in that configuration though.
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Are you intentionally or unintentionally getting into Divided Loyalties Skaven numerology?
 
So i decided to chek back the "Prophecy" of Morai-Wren and something is bugging me :
"Wood may rot, but death may spring anew." = at first i was sure this passage was talking about Ariel being healed. But the "Death" and "Rot" part then made me think of Coeddil.
So the death of Coeddil, if done right can give birth to... something good ? Waking some other elder treeman maybe ?
And there come the problem... how do you kill an Daemon-posseded Elder-Treeman "right" ? With "True Death" ? By purifying the hell out of him ? By freezing him ?

Fucking hell i hate prophecy...
 
AzraelvonGruber said:
So i decided to chek back the "Prophecy" of Morai-Wren and something is bugging me :
"Wood may rot, but death may spring anew." = at first i was sure this passage was talking about Ariel being healed. But the "Death" and "Rot" part then made me think of Coeddil.
So the death of Coeddil, if done right can give birth to... something good ? Waking some other elder treeman maybe ?
And there come the problem... how do you kill an Daemon-posseded Elder-Treeman "right" ? With "True Death" ? By purifying the hell out of him ? By freezing him ?

Fucking hell i hate prophecy...
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Perhaps his essence can be used to cure Durthu, or even revive Adanhu. Or even bring Coeddil back anew prior to being tainted by Morghur (though whether that's good...)
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Perhaps his essence can be used to cure Durthu, or even revive Adanhu.
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Could be possible for Durthu but Adanhu ? That could be possible... i'm not sure what happen to the fey when they died
Are they like daemons returning to some warp realm? ( the oak of age in this case for the fey) Do they join the realm of the Nature Gods ? ( Isha , Taal and co...)?
 
I'm getting an impression of how things are.

This is a race against time, and in actuality it's against Coeddil and Drycha.

Each side has several major focal points whose loss is utterly catastrophic.

In the Force of Destruction side, Coeddil, who is providing the Daemonic access and World Root control.

Drycha provides an admittedly not very close second in World Root stuff while providing direction to this literally insane army.

On the other side, we got Ariel...enough said.
The central and most important uber-tree of the forest.

And a Waystone.

If Coeddil, with his control of the Weave and corrupted, reaches the tree? Barring Ariel and Alarielle holding him back, Laurelorn is doomed as he drags it all into something Gruber would envy.

If the Daemons get to the Waystone, it's not quite as bad but it will almost certainly be very quickly followed by the above resulting scenario.

But Ariel's control of the Weave is greater, as is her power. And now she is supported by Alarielle, whose Chaos purging abilities are arguably the best in the world. If either recovers, the battle is probably set for defeat towards Coeddil. Hence the race against time.

AzraelvonGruber said:
Could be possible for Durthu but Adanhu ? That could be possible... i'm not sure what happen to the fey when they died
Are they like daemons returning to some warp realm? ( the oak of age in this case for the fey) Do they join the realm of the Nature Gods ? ( Isha , Taal and co...)?
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I presume Adanhu's essence returns to the Weave. There are hints in the healing of Athel Loren in the Season of Redemption, starting immediately after his fall and Ariel's return to sanity, that his soul essentially provided the power and nutrients to overcharge it's healing. He is bound to the forest. Just as Coeddil was (and thus Ariel could not kill him)

The Ancients are not beholden to the gods. Indeed, in the mandala of the Asrai, they occupy a place in it just below Isha and Kurnous.

Of course, one has to wonder how it works for one such as Coeddil, whose soul now belongs to the Plaguefather, yet still had executive access to the system that is the World Roots and the Forest itself.
 
AzraelvonGruber said:
So i decided to chek back the "Prophecy" of Morai-Wren and something is bugging me :
"Wood may rot, but death may spring anew." = at first i was sure this passage was talking about Ariel being healed. But the "Death" and "Rot" part then made me think of Coeddil.
So the death of Coeddil, if done right can give birth to... something good ? Waking some other elder treeman maybe ?
And there come the problem... how do you kill an Daemon-posseded Elder-Treeman "right" ? With "True Death" ? By purifying the hell out of him ? By freezing him ?

Fucking hell i hate prophecy...
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"Wood may rot," and "but death may spring anew" might refer to separate entities.

Also, when Alarielle was healing Ariel, there was this:
torroar said:
In Avelorn, a pair of ancient treemen were abruptly roused from their slumber, old wood creaking as they stretched and itched at their bark. They paused at the sensations they felt and let loose simultaneous sighs like a gale force wind tearing through a glade. Neither bothered speaking, there was no need to, as they began to trudge out from where they had rested.
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torroar said:
"Flesh-mothers cannot command us, it is the ancient pact of root and blood, and Glade-mother gave no forbiddings," she creaks out plaintively, stepping backwards from you as she goes. "She has been gone from the boughs, the Anguished Fury called her for council and she has not returned yet."
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I forget, is the Anguished Fury Coeddil? Because if so we better hope the good impression we made on the young dryad can tilt things in our favour.
 
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