Joseph von Hohenzollern, hmm. Well, he grew up as an independent Count, to the point that he referred to himself far more as the Prince of Ostland than as 'Elector Count' due to the whole growing up in the Era of Three Emperors thing. Occasionally he'd make motions toward supporting one of the Emperors over another, but Ostland was backwater enough that it never amounted to them demanding much or giving much back in return. He was, however, staunchly Sigmarite in a province full of Ulricans, largely as a result of associating with the Cult who actually spent time working him politically and financially. For the aid given, he held to the Cult pretty well, and could not brook insults to them. Especially from his family. A man of brutal piety, Frederick insulting Sigmar as he did as a child was enough for him to banish him, and he was such a spare that he did not spare much thought to him after sending him to Jegow. Hell of a strong statement, after all. Reasonable diplomatically, to be honest. Did not rock the boat much, and managed to keep Ostland from being swamped by any of the claimant Emperor's demands to the point of, like, harming Ostland financially, manpower-wise, etc.

Nor was he an idiot. Just about average, to be honest, in terms of intelligence. He saw the world as it was, and decided that not much needed to change about it. They'd fight the Norscans and greenskins and beastmen forever, and they'd hold out forever, and one day he would die in battle as a result. But the province as a whole would continue.

Unfortunately, he did not have a particularly high intrigue, and as noted in the Introduction the Witch Hunters did not serve him super well, but the cult was one of the hardier and better equipped ones. As expected of a cult who dared to make its home within the freaking founding place of the Order of the Silver Hammer. Then again, they were somewhat benign (as benign as a Cult of Chaos can be) and were content with slow moves, slowly isolating the province, the Hohenzollern family, etc. But then an Everchosen came knocking, and the Dark Gods said nut up or shut up, and they decided 'suicidal attempt at stripping an entire Elector Count family root and stem is a go!' And damn near succeeded. Only Frederick's absolute isolation in Jegow saved him from them.

If there was one thing that Joseph was very good at, it was fighting. He was primarily a cavalry fighter, in contrast to the footman sort of thing that Frederick started as. Joseph was fond of the lance and cavalry hammer, plus was no slouch with Brain Wounder either. So, he rode north to help Kislev, and then barely rode back with a belly that had nearly been split open and festering wounds. Then he recovered from them somewhat and drove into the Everchosen Remnants at Salkalten, and happened to die there.

He loved his wife, and she loved him, though they quarreled somewhat over Frederick's banishment, and the distant way in which he raised the rest of their children beyond his son and primary heir. But honestly, there have always been emotionally distant fathers in the world, and will be in the future. Joseph happened to be one of them. His last thoughts were of his family, but in a nebulous way, his wife and heir taking prominence and the rest being a smoky ephemeral thing. Frederick didn't really feature at all, because he had barely been raised a noble before his banishment, and his 'allowance' was quite low indeed because Joseph didn't want to spend too much coin. Then Frederick became a blacksmith, further separating him, marking him as more of a commoner, and, well, Joseph saw little need to call him back. The chances of Zacharias going after him specifically were spectacularly low, because as was noted by the tomato, just because everyone lived in mortal terror doesn't mean they thought the vampire overlord himself would come after them.

But yeah, that was Joseph. Hardliner in piety, reasonable in diplomacy and stewardship, good in martial, low in intrigue, and absolute average in learning.
I find it downright unfair how a distant, harsh father got 15 children, while Freddy, a loving, accepting, and kind father got eight--two of whom he barely gets to see because they're mages, one of whom he rarely gets to see because she's spent half of her life serving Kattarin in Kislev, and one of whom was killed as a young boy when Zacharias the goddamn Everliving decided to crash right into his bedroom with a fucking undead dragon and a bunch of wights in the middle of the night, because, hey, fuck this guy in particular.

I mean, it's WHFB, and it's not even Ulthuan, so "unfair" is certainly par for the course, though it is a wonder at how few children Arthur and Magnus have...especially given how often Arthur and Serhild, er, make the attempt.

If I had to crush it down into a single emotion, it'd probably be...confusion? Yeah, confusion. At how his nothing exile son turned out to become worth anything at all.
Let alone the greatest leader Ostland has ever had...

I mean, it is pretty damn weird. Certainly completely against conventional wisdom--the exiled tenth-in-line-for-the-throne son with shit piety and shit diplomacy who just became a blacksmith in a backwater town certainly shouldn't have much potential, right?

*Looks at Freddy's bio*

Yeah....
 
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Not really? Not any more than Freddy can channel the power of Sigmar by virtue of having Sigmar's Mien.
Check the invisitext.

Also I was poking around the viewpoints threadmark and the dwarfs on average like us more than the Empire.
- Brewer Guilds: 11/10
This is funny.
- Warrior Guilds: 11/10
Is this for Karak Ungor?

Prince Khalanos of Caledor [2/10]
Who is this guy again? No, seriously, I do not remember him, can somebody tell me please.

On an unrelated note @torroar how are Johanna and Gueniveve?
 
He is a Dragon Prince from Caledor( who I think, though I might be wrong, owns an actual dragon) that was an absolute ass, and was taking advantage of aurelion before she became powerful via arcane fulcrum. We broke his nose and insulted him at an elector's meet and he swore revenge.
 
Check the invisitext.

Also I was poking around the viewpoints threadmark and the dwarfs on average like us more than the Empire.

This is funny.

Is this for Karak Ungor?


Who is this guy again? No, seriously, I do not remember him, can somebody tell me please.

On an unrelated note @torroar how are Johanna and Gueniveve?

Warrior guilds are no doubt our excellent skill at killing Thaggoraki and Grobi.

As for Khalanos, go to the first Electors Meet. He was a gigantic asshole (by dragon prince standards) who was betrothed to Aurelion. Last time we saw him he swore vengeance, but considering we now have the good will of the Everqueen and a noble house that is on the upswing, I doubt he can get at us easily.

Edit: Dammit, my first time being ninja'd!
 
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As for Khalanos, go to the first Electors Meet. He was a gigantic asshole (by dragon prince standards) who was betrothed to Aurelion. Last time we saw him he swore vengeance, but considering we now have the good will of the Everqueen and a noble house that is on the upswing, I doubt he can get at us easily.
Everqueen is 6/10 so, slightly above neutral.
 
The Everqueen having an above neutral option of some random ass human noble is a big big big fucking deal to the High Elves.
I'm not sure it's worth much compared to having a son and viable heir back from the dead, though the fallout of such a thing occurring would have been a heaping load of trouble, so...

Check the invisitext.
Invisitext is bad and you should feel bad for using it (only somewhat joking).

It might even be 12/10 at some point in the future, if our efforts to help the Brewing Guild recreate the Draught of the Underearth succeed. Dude challenged Bugman to a drinking contest in order to get him to take up brewing again and train successors before resuming his quest as a Slayer, with his own ability to ever drink alcohol ever again on the line? That not only takes balls of steel and incredible conviction, it's downright the most heroic kind of deed any serious drinker can imagine doing for the sake of alcoholic drinks. Succeeding? Unbelievable. Worthy of song.

And then there's the whole "managed to drink something made by Gazul himself, so that he could fight and kill Skulltaker with his head chopped off and heart carved out" thing.
Is this for Karak Ungor?
Dwarf warriors have a lot of respect for not just martial skill and suicidal bravery and determination, but also sheer fury at their hated, ancestral foes. Frederick must be kind of infamous among the dwarfs for fighting like a Slayer against even the strongest and most worthy of foes around, and winning. A Chaos Knight Captain of Khorne? Dead. A daemon prince of Nurgle? Yup. Bloodthirster of Khorne? Yes. Slugtongue? Check. Zacharias the Everliving? Another one bites the dust. A colossal squig? Indeed. A really tough orc boss with chaos dwarf-made gear and daemon-powered healing? Add it to the list. A Lord of Decay? Yessirie. The Changling? Affirmative. Motherfucking Skulltaker? You'd better believe it. The False Throne of Power? Punched it to death.

For dwarf warriors, Freddy's probably a living legend.
On an unrelated note @torroar how are Johanna and Gueniveve?
I really hope we get to see them return sometime soon-ish. I can't wait to see her reaction upon learning what we've been up to.

"I always knew you were crazy, Frederick, but Sigmar's ballsack, what the shit!"
 
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Who are they? I don't remember reading anything about either of them in the thread.

Johanna Fuerbach was a potential marriage prospect to Frederick back in the day. She was a world-wandering adventurer who had recently returned home, and was the heir presumptive of Talabecland, the most favored child of Adolf Fuerbach, who is Elector Count of Talabecland.

She had traveled as far as Cathay and Lustria before returning home, and had even aided in dwarf expeditions in the Mountains of Mourne. She rallied around 10k men of Talabecland to aid Ostland, and fought alongside Frederick against Zacharias personally. She later was mutilated in battle, near beyond recovery.

Genevieve is a canon vampiress/adventurer herself, centuries old. She befriended Frederick during one of his adventures in an Elector's Meet. Was once felt up while working as a tavern wench by Magnus the Emperor before he was Magnus the Pious. Frederick shocked her out of her distaste for typical Imperial nobles by being himself, among other crimes. She decided to travel north to help Frederick as well.

Genevieve offered to grant Johanna vampirism to survive her wounds and continue fighting, so long as Johanna promised to listen to her until Genevieve deemed her in control of herself. They, after the Vampire War, traveled East to Cathay. For in Cathay, Genevieve attained extremely good control over her bloodthirst under the tutelage of a Cathayan monk named Master Po. Of the Jade Dragon Monastery. They traveled East, and recently became embroiled in the massive war being undertaken between Cathay and Nippon.

Many of their eastern adventures can be seen in the Omake List, with the keyword being 'Jade', and written by me. They're in a cluster, I believe.

Adolf has never forgiven Frederick for, as he sees it, getting his daughter killed and then desecrating her corpse. The 'thing' which inhabits her husk is, to him, an unredeemable monster.

Magnus and the Grand Theogonist at the time both witnessed the two vampires and accepted their aid. Oh, also, Genevieve is blessed by Sigmar and can summon forth his power on command. She's considered to be outside the Lahmian command structure and is fully independent. It is this that convinced Magnus to not just smite her with Ghal Maraz then and there.

Johanna was a friend of Frederick leading up to her departure from the quest, whose personality was quite upbeat and confident, bouncy almost, compared to the more settled and demure Ortrud (when Ortrud was calm at least). Since becoming a vampire...well. Some things are the same. Others are not.
 
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If J and G do come back to Empire will likely be decades from now depending on J's training process since taming bloodlust takes time or draining a dragon.
 
Has there ever been, even vague, a character sheet for Magnus the Pious? Rereading the quest, and i kind of wonder about his spread. I assume his decent person stat is through the roof though :V
 
Has there ever been, even vague, a character sheet for Magnus the Pious? Rereading the quest, and i kind of wonder about his spread. I assume his decent person stat is through the roof though :V
Not that I'm aware of. We can safely assume his Piety stat is through the roof, as is his Martial. His Stewardship is notably mediocre, given his comments at the latest Elector's Meet, but what Magnus considers mediocre might still be pretty good - I'm picturing a 10-15. His Intrigue and Learning are frankly complete unknowns, though his ironclad support/founding of the Colleges might have pushed the latter up, if only by traits.
 
Not that I'm aware of. We can safely assume his Piety stat is through the roof, as is his Martial. His Stewardship is notably mediocre, given his comments at the latest Elector's Meet, but what Magnus considers mediocre might still be pretty good - I'm picturing a 10-15. His Intrigue and Learning are frankly complete unknowns, though his ironclad support/founding of the Colleges might have pushed the latter up, if only by traits.

Between him breaking the Witch hunters, and then he scared the shit out of the halflings by bringing up that he knows about the Lodge and they need to calm the fuck down or he'll do it for them. So I'd say he has a decent level in intrigue.
 
Between him breaking the Witch hunters, and then he scared the shit out of the halflings by bringing up that he knows about the Lodge and they need to calm the fuck down or he'll do it for them. So I'd say he has a decent level in intrigue.
Hard to say. He might well just have people for that. If I was a gambling man I'd still figure its above average, though, if only a bit.

But, really though, there is a limited list of skills he has to be a living god at.
 
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Not that I'm aware of. We can safely assume his Piety stat is through the roof, as is his Martial. His Stewardship is notably mediocre, given his comments at the latest Elector's Meet, but what Magnus considers mediocre might still be pretty good - I'm picturing a 10-15. His Intrigue and Learning are frankly complete unknowns, though his ironclad support/founding of the Colleges might have pushed the latter up, if only by traits.

I imagine his real kicker is diplomacy. You'd be hard pressed to name a character who dislikes the man who isn't tied to some anti-empire faction. I can easily see him being 30+ Diplo.
 
Between him breaking the Witch hunters, and then he scared the shit out of the halflings by bringing up that he knows about the Lodge and they need to calm the fuck down or he'll do it for them. So I'd say he has a decent level in intrigue.
Oooh, that's a good point. Decent Intrigue, then.
I imagine his real kicker is diplomacy. You'd be hard pressed to name a character who dislikes the man who isn't tied to some anti-empire faction. I can easily see him being 30+ Diplo.
Aaargh, I had a nagging feeling I was forgetting a stat! Yes, his Diplomacy is sky-high, like his Piety and Martial.
 
Big Mag's stewardship is probably his dump stat. Which isn't to say it's bad, just he's so legendary in his other stats that being average or even just above average seems to stand out. He seemed to offload that work onto others (smart) whom presumably he could trust to not fuck it up. Recently, he's had to reexamine where their priorities lie and maybe give them course correction ie "c'mon don't screw over the North trying to make the whole Empire prosper my dude" Just said more Magnus the Piousey
 
Big Mag's stewardship is probably his dump stat. Which isn't to say it's bad, just he's so legendary in his other stats that being average or even just above average seems to stand out. He seemed to offload that work onto others (smart) whom presumably he could trust to not fuck it up. Recently, he's had to reexamine where their priorities lie and maybe give them course correction ie "c'mon don't screw over the North trying to make the whole Empire prosper my dude" Just said more Magnus the Piousey

I mean, he is Magnus, so I imagine his method is to diplomance extremely capable stewards to steward stuff.
 
@torroar : I'm sorry if I asked this before, but what's the status on our ongoing project to fully reverse-engineer and reproduce steam tanks? When I last checked, we'd basically figured out Kathleen completely, so while we know how to produce the Steam Tank for the most part, we haven't necessarily figured out how to reproduce the turret's steam cannon yet.

However, since we've invented the combustion engine, we could potentially do even better--by basically replacing the steam engine with a combustion engine, and have the cannons powered by gunpowder instead of steam pressure to propel the cannon-balls.

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Oh, and when Anna came back from Tilea, she brought back blueprints for some kind of farming machine. What ever happened with that? Especially since the other thing she brought back turned out to be a fake (but she figured out how to make it work anyway, because Anna), I would think the other thing to be genuine.
 
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