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I've always kinda liked the idea the Hur'q showed up, fucked up everything, and then kinda just left taking back every cultural artifact they could find, leaving everyone to pick up the pieces in confusion.
 
Nix said:
Some considerations:
  • Avoid general purpose fleets composed of only one ship class. For the Apinae sector one Connie-B and two escorts, ideally Miranda-A and a Centaur-A, would be much preferable to two Connie-Bs.
  • Every fleet should have a capable flag ship, either an Excelsior or a Connstitution (currently lacking: Tellar and Vulcan).
  • Ideally every fleet should have a science capable ship, an Excelsior or an Oberth, having both a Centaur-A and a Connie-B might suffice in a pinch (currently lacking: Tellar and Vulcan).
  • More ships with high enlisted count to the Syndicate task force when in doubt.
  • Strengthening border zones in accordance to our chosen doctrine, while CBZ and SBZ are currently more threatened the RBZ and particularly KBZ fleets are currently very weak and the KBZ even has a raised event rate.
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I tried following your recommendations. I may still be leaving the Tailwards side of Federation space weak, but I feel most of our threats are coming from Spinward. Also, I double up on the science capable ships in the KBZ and RBZ in order to have a better chance of catching cloaked ships, even though it leaves other sectors science poor. Other posters have specifically requested that; do you think it's a mistake? Take a look:

Late 2312/ Early 2313 fleet Distribution Plan

Planned Ship Changes
  • 2 Constitution-Bs (Korolev and ?) launch from San Francisco in 2312.Q4
  • Kearsage (Constellation) comes back from repair in 2313.Q1
  • 2 Constitution-Bs (Defiant and Valiant) launch from 40 Eridani A in 2313.Q1
  • 3 Miranda (Dryad and Eketha and Calypso) should go into refit in 40 Eridani A in 2313.Q1
  • T'Mir (Oberth) comes back from overdue refit in 2313Q2
  • Shield and Fidelity (Mirandas) come back from refit until 2313.Q2
  • 2 Mirandas (Intrepid and Svai) go out for refit in 2313.Q2
Planned Defense Changes
Estimate that Indorians will join and require garrison of Apinae Sector ~2313.Q2

Sol Sector – Requires D18
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 2 Miranda [Dryad, Bon Vivant] (4), 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Miranda [Bon Vivant] (2), 2 Constellation [Selaya, Stalwart] (6), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
New Q2 2313 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Miranda [Bon Vivant] (2), 2 Constellation [Selaya, Stalwart] (6), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
Notes: In 2313.Q1 bring in the Stalwart from Tellar Sector, send the Dryad to refit, and send the Suvek to the Sydraxian border zone.

Vulcan Sector – Requires D12
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Mirandas (4) [T'Kumbra, Thunderhead], Starbase I (5) = 12D
New Q4 2312 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Unnamed SF build], 1 Miranda (2) [Thunderhead], Starbase I (5) = 12D
New Q1 2313 – No change.
New Q2 2313 – No change.
Notes: Sappho Sent to Syndicate Task Force in 2312.Q4, and T'Kumbra send to KBZ.

Andor Sector – Requires D9
Current Q2 2312 - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], Starbase I (5) = 11D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 - No change.
New Q2 2313 - No change.
Notes: No change.

Tellar Sector – Requires D9
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 - Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 18D
New Q2 2313 – No change.
Notes: Bring in Valiant in 2313.Q1 and send the Stalwart to Sol.

Amarkia Sector – Requires D15
Current Q2 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Blizzard], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 19D
New Q4 2312 - No change.
New Q1 2313 - No change.
New Q2 2313 - No change.
Notes: No change.

Ferasa Sector – Requires D15
Current Q2 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], Starbase I (5)
New Q4 2312 - No change.
New Q1 2313 - No change.
New Q2 2313 - No change.
Notes: No change.

Rigel Sector – Requires D9
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Republic, 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], Starbase I (5) = 13D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 – No change.
New Q2 2313 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Republic], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], Starbase I (5) = 11D
Notes: T'Mir posted here when it returns, Gale sent to the new Apinae Sector.

Apinae Sector – Assumed to Require D9 as of Q2 2313
New Q2 2313 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Korolev], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Fidelity] = 10D
Notes: Bringing in ships from the Cardassian Border Zone and Rigel, with the Fidelity coming in from refit.

Romulan Border Zone – Requires D12
Current Q2 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Miranda (2) [Svai], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5) = 14D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 - No change.
New Q2 2313 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Shield], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5) = 14D
Notes: Bring in Shield when it returns from refit in 2313.Q2, send the Svai to refit.

Klingon Border Zone – Requires D6
Current Q2 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Miranda (2) [Intrepid], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire] = D9.
New Q4 2312 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 2 Mirandas (4) [Intrepid, T'Kumbra], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire] = D11.
New Q1 2313 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 2 Mirandas (4) [Intrepid, T'Kumbra], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire] = D14.
New Q2 2313 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 1 Miranda (2) [T'Kumbra], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire] = D12.
Notes: Add T'Kumbra from Vulcan in 2312.Q4. Then add Kearsage when it returns from repair in 2313.Q1. Then send the Intrepid to refit in 2313.Q2.

Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D10
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 2 Constellations (6) [Challorn, Vigour], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 20D
New Q4 2312 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Korolev], [2 Constellations (6) [Challorn, Vigour], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 25D
New Q1 2313 – No change.
New Q2 2313 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 2 Constellations (6) [Challorn, Vigour], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 20D
Notes: Add the Korolev when it launches in 2312.Q4 and then send the Korolev to garrison the Apinae sector when it opens.

Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D9
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 2 Miranda (4) [Eketha, Calypso], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 18D
New Q4 2312 – No change.
New Q1 2313 - 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 20D
New Q2 2313 – No change.
Notes: Add Defiant when it launches in 2313.Q1, send Eketha and Calypso to refit, and bring in the Suvek from Sol.

Anti-Syndicate Task Force – No fixed Requirement
Current Q2 2312 – 1 Constitution-B [Lexington], 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel]
New Q4 2312 - 1 Constitution-B [Lexington], 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel]
New Q1 2313 – No change.
New Q2 2313 – No change.
Notes: Sappho brought in from Vulcan Sector.
 
I dunno, that last sentence on Orion Deep History feels like the Avatar a Traveling Stranger came in and shut down the personal power of the Fire Supreme Lord and then the wheels came off...
 
Void Stalker said:
Looking at the registry list there are three constitutions, all that finished 2312.2. Are those connie-Bs?
Vulcan - VCS Eridani (NCC-1749) at Chelok-An Shipyard Berth B in Vulcan
Tellar - TS Krinuk (NCC-1750) at Grand Duk Berth A in Ord Grind Duk
Humans - UES Equality (NCC-1751) at Luna Orbital Berth A in Sol
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Pretty sure they are. IIRC Equality was mentioned in an omake when the Connie-B project first kicked off, and forms something of a set with UES Liberty and a hypothetical future UES Fraternity
 
Void Stalker said:
Bodly Goes-Member and Affiliate Fleets

I have put that into the above link. I assume that is current as of Q1 of this year.
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An error I noted:
1. The UESPA Constitution is a recently built (launched this quarter) Constitution-B, not a Connie-A, and is therefore a cruiser rather than an Explorer. They only have 1 Explorer, their new Excelsior the Liberty.
2. The same is true of Vulcan's Constitution, and they have no Explorers.
3. The same is true of the Tellarite Connie, though Excelsior we are building for them will be ready next year.

I know the QM counts them as Explorers in his sheet; I think it was just easier than modifying the spreadsheet.
 
Not enough time to respond to things tonight, but... Don't arm hospital ships, or even propose it. Modern day medical professionals, like me, wouldn't like it. Let alone Federation ones, who'd pass out Militarization points like candy at the thought. Use the weight and power to cram on the fastest warp drive possible so it can run away and operate them escorted and they will be fine.
 
Briefvoice said:
An error I noted:
1. The UESPA Constitution is a recently built (launched this quarter) Constitution-B, not a Connie-A, and is therefore a cruiser rather than an Explorer. They only have 1 Explorer, their new Excelsior the Liberty.
2. The same is true of Vulcan's Constitution, and they have no Explorers.
3. The same is true of the Tellarite Connie, though Excelsior we are building for them will be ready next year.

I know the QM counts them as Explorers in his sheet; I think it was just easier than modifying the spreadsheet.
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Yeah I noticed that, should be updated. Starfleet numbers are in but under refit and construction for member worlds needs to be done, along with the affiliates still
 
Void Stalker said:
Looking at the registry list there are three constitutions, all that finished 2312.2. Are those connie-Bs?
Vulcan - VCS Eridani (NCC-1749) at Chelok-An Shipyard Berth B in Vulcan
Tellar - TS Krinuk (NCC-1750) at Grand Duk Berth A in Ord Grind Duk
Humans - UES Equality (NCC-1751) at Luna Orbital Berth A in Sol
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So a comparison, adding together Member Fleets and Starfleet. From our last Intelligence Report on Klingon Fleet Strength.

Bird-of-Prey 2270-Now [109m 30k t]
C1 S0 H1 L1 P1 D1
K'tinga 2270-Now [246m 500k t]
C3 S1 H6 L4 P2 D3
Advanced Bird-of-Prey ???? (But presumably an Escort with a combat of 2 or 3.)
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  • 30~40 K'tinga-class Cruisers
  • 50~80 Birds of Prey
  • 12 Advanced Birds of Prey
So at the max, that's 132 ships, as much as 236C.

Member Worlds + Starfleet has 97 Escorts, 38 Cruisers, and 21 Explorers. Total combat 484.

Now of course the Federation is huge, since it's really a bunch of different species pooling their resources in a mutual economic/scientific/defense union. It has a lot more territory to defend. But the fact remains that half of the Federation's combat-ready ships could stay home and it could still roughly match the Klingon Empire.

Sheesh.
 
Briefvoice said:
I tried following your recommendations. I may still be leaving the Tailwards side of Federation space weak, but I feel most of our threats are coming from Spinward. Also, I double up on the science capable ships in the KBZ and RBZ in order to have a better chance of catching cloaked ships, even though it leaves other sectors science poor. Other posters have specifically requested that; do you think it's a mistake?
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Keeping Oberths in the RBZ and KBZ makes sense, but I think the SBZ is a terrible place to put one: Fairly likely to see combat but not needed to detect cloaked ships, and we have seen many times that Starbases have far better long range sensors to pick up raiders from a distance with.
 
Nix said:
Keeping Oberths in the RBZ and KBZ makes sense, but I think the SBZ is a terrible place to put one: Fairly likely to see combat but not needed to detect cloaked ships, and we have seen many times that Starbases have far better long range sensors to pick up raiders from a distance with.
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Okay, where to stick it then? Non-border zone sectors that don't have either an Excelsior, an Oberth, or both a Connie-B and a Centaur-A:
Sol
Vulcan
Andor

Hard to know how to pick among those three.
 
I think there is an argument to put self-defense weapons on hospital ships in a galaxy lacking an overarching agreement on the conventions of war; that being said I generally agree that it'd be better to just keep them escorted and ready to run. From my (admittedly limited) research it seems hospital ships that were attacked tended to be the ones that skirted the rules of being armed. In the context of TGB it would be logical to avoid arming them so they don't pose an immediate threat. They'd have what, max 1 C anyways? If they're falling back on that some Admiral is getting fired, somewhere.
 
Briefvoice said:
Now of course the Federation is huge, since it's really a bunch of different species pooling their resources in a mutual economic/scientific/defense union. It has a lot more territory to defend. But the fact remains that half of the Federation's combat-ready ships could stay home and it could still roughly match the Klingon Empire.

Sheesh.
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We make our neighbors nervous for good reason. The Federation is the least swarm based group to ever blot out the system primary where a fight is happening.
 
Forgothrax said:
Not enough time to respond to things tonight, but... Don't arm hospital ships, or even propose it. Modern day medical professionals, like me, wouldn't like it. Let alone Federation ones, who'd pass out Militarization points like candy at the thought. Use the weight and power to cram on the fastest warp drive possible so it can run away and operate them escorted and they will be fine.
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I wouldn't be shocked if many Federation doctors and nurses didn't just straight up refuse to crew an armed "hospital" ship.
 
Briefvoice said:
Okay, where to stick it then? Non-border zone sectors that don't have either an Excelsior, an Oberth, or both a Connie-B and a Centaur-A:
Sol
Vulcan
Andor

Hard to know how to pick among those three.
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My money's on Andor. That means it's well-placed to reinforce either of the Romulan or Klingon border zones if we suddenly need ALL THE COUNTER-CLOAK. Plus, Vulcan Sector has its own all-Vulcan science vessel that probably does a lot of sciencing, and Sol Sector has so many Federation ships that sheer numbers of low-science vessels can make up for deficiencies. Andor is more lightly garrisoned.
 
@OneirosTheWriter
2310.Q2
Rigellan Cutter and Caitian Swarmer were started and would finish this quarter, was the spreadsheet you shared up to date for 2312.Q2 or 2312.Q1 (need to know if I need to add these to their total)
2310.Q3
2 Patrol Escorts started by Orion, are these Molhane Patrol Ships or a different class of escort
2311.Q1
Risa Corvette was started, was this a light or heavy?
Orion Light Cruiser started is it the Onaya Reliable Intercept Orbiter or a different cruiser?
2312.Q1
Risa Corvette was started was this a light or heavy?

For member worlds:
4 Escorts under construction and 6 being refitted
0 Cruisers under construction
4 Explorers under construction
Does that match what you have?
 
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