To a certain extent crew is fungible over the long haul, though, as we can adjust Academy intake to reduce Techs and increase other categories during academy steering events.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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To a certain extent crew is fungible over the long haul, though, as we can adjust Academy intake to reduce Techs and increase other categories during academy steering events.
Sorry, no, I deleted it after realizing it was invalid. I didn't realize we had to both buy more influence and reopen syndicate legislation.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
- Location
- Patriarchova
Can we approach the pacifists about mediating a peace between the licori and ked-padda? Seems like a good way to win brownie points with the new strongest party, and it also legitimately serves our interests by stopping a war that could otherwise drag in the Gaeni.
- Location
- Germany
I would love to exchange the Council Session on the Sydraxians for more pressure on the Syndicate, but we would still be 2 points short. So what else do you want to give up?
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Okay, here's a plan that includes anti-Syndicate stuff. I'm not particularly satisfied with it, since I'm sacrificing a diplo push. But I do think anti-Syndicate action is extremely high priority (more on this later) and that the Apiatan issue can't wait (could cause war, blocks membership), and I figure crewing is a bit more important at the moment (Academy expansion + EC recruitment drive).
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
-[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
-[X] Amend the Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 30pp (Present options for changing your anti-Syndicate legislation)
-[X] Acquire new Influence to spend on Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 20pp/5 (Can only be taken once)
-[X] Request a Council Sesssion for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy): Yrillian
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
8+8+35+25+30+20+30+20 = 176pp, 8 left over
Choosing Yrillians since at least we'll have a good chance of getting them past 100 relationship this turn.
I do think the earlier we try to improve on our Syndicate problems, the better, since at our current rate, we're going to be stuck in this quagmire for several years. I'm pretty sure that the Syndicate options don't just provide direct impact (or resilience), but rather also influence the event tables and rewards and penalties and whatnot. For ex, that "[DEVICES] Seed the most likely vectors. (1 Influence, +2 Impact)" option we got last time is misleading - it's likely doing more than just getting us +2 impact per year.
I really don't know what the "approach any faction to try to make a deal on a topic" thing will do for us, so I'm abstaining from that vote.
edit: convert into base plan
edit2: I've created a second plan now that I know that we can bank influence without spending it: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...a-starfleet-quest.32005/page-947#post-7686344
Reposting it here (hopefully it won't clobber my later vote)
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Bank Anti-Syndicate Influence for Next Year, Apiata, Sydraxians, Crew
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
-[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
-[X] Acquire new Influence to spend on Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 20pp/5 (Can only be taken once)
-[X] Request a Council Sesssion for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
-[X] Request a Council Session for discussing Sydraxian Hierarchy options, 30pp
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy): Yrillian
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Bank Anti-Syndicate Influence for Next Year, Apiata, Sydraxians, Crew
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Problem is that we currently only can exchange a total of 1 crew income every 4 years. Perhaps getting rid of Seruk or equivalent would help with that, but who knows.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
-[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
-[X] Amend the Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 30pp (Present options for changing your anti-Syndicate legislation)
-[X] Acquire new Influence to spend on Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 20pp/5 (Can only be taken once)
-[X] Request a Council Sesssion for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy): Yrillian
8+8+35+25+30+20+30+20 = 176pp, 8 left over
Choosing Yrillians since at least we'll have a good chance of getting them past 100 relationship this turn.
I do think the earlier we try to improve on our Syndicate problems, the better, since at our current rate, we're going to be stuck in this quagmire for several years. I'm pretty sure that the Syndicate options don't just provide direct impact (or resilience), but rather also influence the event tables and rewards and penalties and whatnot. For ex, that "[DEVICES] Seed the most likely vectors. (1 Influence, +2 Impact)" option we got last time is misleading - it's likely doing more than just getting us +2 impact per year.
edit: convert into base plan
edit2: I've created a second plan now that I know that we can bank influence without spending it: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...a-starfleet-quest.32005/page-947#post-7686344
Reposting it here (hopefully it won't clobber my later vote)
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Bank Anti-Syndicate Influence for Next Year, Apiata, Sydraxians, Crew
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
-[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
-[X] Acquire new Influence to spend on Anti-Syndicate Legislation, 20pp/5 (Can only be taken once)
-[X] Request a Council Sesssion for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
-[X] Request a Council Session for discussing Sydraxian Hierarchy options, 30pp
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy): Yrillian
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Bank Anti-Syndicate Influence for Next Year, Apiata, Sydraxians, Crew
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Problem is that we currently only can exchange a total of 1 crew income every 4 years. Perhaps getting rid of Seruk or equivalent would help with that, but who knows.
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- Location
- somewhere
We already have a bit of an idea what the amended Syndicate legislation would do, something like an extra 10 impact per year with some running pp cost. So about a months worth of impact at the current rate. By going for it this year rather than next we might accelerate reaching the next threshold by a month. Ignoring the Sydraxians for another year could easily result in a lost explorer or worse. Given that the Syndicate legislation is also more expensive and would require a painful cult somewhere else and given that we already have an alternate means of applying more pressure (assigning more ships to the task force/the relevant sector fleets) I don't see why it should be anywhere near as urgent, let alone more urgent.
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- Location
- Germany
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about creating a special Starfleet/Diplomatic Corps joint operation to investigate and eventually mediate in the Licori/Ked Paddah War.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
It has both Council Sessions and Yrillians + Gretarians, which is pretty much what I wanted.
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
It has both Council Sessions and Yrillians + Gretarians, which is pretty much what I wanted.
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- Location
- USA
[X][COUNCIL] Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
Though I wish it was pushing dawiar instead of grateians
Though I wish it was pushing dawiar instead of grateians
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I personally don't know if either of these council meetings are going to lead to the solutions people WANT or indeed if they're going to turn into anything but more quagmires for us to shovel ships into. We can handle One anti-syndicate operation safely, but adding peacekeeping squadrons along our Core-Spinward border will be very difficult to handle without shorting Defense somewhere. That said, I'm sure that any plan without at least one will get itself no votes at all, so I'll include the Apiata-Cardassian thing in mine, as it seems more 'about to explode'. I'd love to amend the anti-syndicate legislation, but right now I think we can stand to have a few extra slips available.
For next year, I'm planning to call for a Shipyard at Indoria and a Starbase to hover protectively over it. Some people might have cold feet about putting infrastructure so close to the front but I prefer to think ahead and give it a permanent bodyguard.
[X] Plan: Round off The Edges
[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
[X] Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
[X] Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
[X] Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 25pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
[X] Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerated diplomacy)
[X] Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerated diplomacy)
[X] Request a Council Session for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
8 PP Banked
For next year, I'm planning to call for a Shipyard at Indoria and a Starbase to hover protectively over it. Some people might have cold feet about putting infrastructure so close to the front but I prefer to think ahead and give it a permanent bodyguard.
[X] Plan: Round off The Edges
[X] Request Mining Colony at Corvo, 8pp (4 turns, gain +10 (15) sr/year)
[X] Request Research Colony at Aga Carmide, 8pp (4 turns, gain +7rp/year)
[X] Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
[X] Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 15pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
[X] Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 25pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
[X] Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerated diplomacy)
[X] Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerated diplomacy)
[X] Request a Council Session for discussing Apiata-Cardassian conflict options, 30pp
8 PP Banked
- Location
- Patriarchova
I wonder if pushing the Gretarans and Yrillians (and getting them both over 100) might work as a soft solution to the Sydraxian problem?
- Location
- USA
It may help Yrillians would reduce pirates at least
That's an excellent idea!
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
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- Location
- Patriarchova
Anyway, Dawiar can wait. They're not urgent, and will probably join us soon enough on their own at this rate. I doubt the Cardassians much care about keeping them at this point.
Apiata sitdown is a must. We should also either push the Yrillians and Gretarans, OR do the Sydraxian sitdown. I'd like to do both, but I'm not sure we can afford that.
Start building a shipyard somewhere near the western frontier, and maybe a star base to protect it. Industrial Park for Earth should be next snakepit, not this one.
Syndicate legislation...idek.
Apiata sitdown is a must. We should also either push the Yrillians and Gretarans, OR do the Sydraxian sitdown. I'd like to do both, but I'm not sure we can afford that.
Start building a shipyard somewhere near the western frontier, and maybe a star base to protect it. Industrial Park for Earth should be next snakepit, not this one.
Syndicate legislation...idek.
- Location
- Location: Location!
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Omakes aside, they're stuck in a middle of a bloody civil war and really could use some help rebuilding their lives, before they try to pull a Syrian Refugee Crisis on us.
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Omakes aside, they're stuck in a middle of a bloody civil war and really could use some help rebuilding their lives, before they try to pull a Syrian Refugee Crisis on us.
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Anti-Syndicate, Apiata, Crew
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
I'm more concerned with putting out fires than winning further affiliates at this point.
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
I'm more concerned with putting out fires than winning further affiliates at this point.
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I think @Nix has an excellent argument that amending the legislation isn't likely to get us more than 10 extra impact per year. We get that in a good month. While the Sydraxian situation exploding on us could be a huge disaster. Do you have a counterargument? It seems like waiting another year to amend the Orion legislation won't have a huge (lack of) Impact, maybe making the entire Syndicate struggle only one month longer.
- Location
- Austin, TX
If we do build more berths, I'd like to see the focus on building to take advantage of Patricia Chen's ability in existing locations, such as increasing from 1 to 2 1mt berts at Ana Font.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Because the Pacifists are actually pretty damn handy here, we can probably lose some cost just by deploying starfleet assets to undo the collateral, and if the Syndicate tries to hit those that A. brings them out into the open. B. brings the pacifist further onside (because even they have limits for tolerance for murder in response to aid programs and C. probably eats into their resilience, because this is a guerrilla war and resilience is in part public support/approval.
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
Because the Pacifists are actually pretty damn handy here, we can probably lose some cost just by deploying starfleet assets to undo the collateral, and if the Syndicate tries to hit those that A. brings them out into the open. B. brings the pacifist further onside (because even they have limits for tolerance for murder in response to aid programs and C. probably eats into their resilience, because this is a guerrilla war and resilience is in part public support/approval.
- Location
- Patriarchova
[X][COUNCIL] Base Plan Pull Your Head Out of the Sand
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
[X][FACTION] Approach the Pacifists about fueling extra sophontitarian relief aid to the Orions
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Yes, I think that the Syndicate options provide more than just direct impact or resilience. That they actually can alter the event tables, DCs, rewards/penalties, and even work on a separate angle, like the gendarmes and the whole unit HP and unit stats thing.
Basically, what I argued before the last time we got to amend anti-Syndicate legislation: