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[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen

We've got a PP crunch on, so Wurkon's bonus isn't terribly useful right now. In a different overall situation, perhaps. And if SR isn't a huge issue right now...

Plus, don't we have a bit of a deficit of Escorts right now? If need be Chen's ability could speed up us filling out our ranks of those if we wanted to, not to mention making that old strategy of "things going wrong on a tight budget, start spamming the Escorts" that little bit more feasible.
 
@OneirosTheWriter would Chen's bonus apply to ships already under construction?

Currently San Francisco yards and 40 Eridani yards both have twin Constitution-B builds underway. (Due to complete at the end of 2312Q3 and 2312Q4 respectively.)
 


Saw this bit of interesting speculation just now, makes me wonder if maybe the Rommies are shooting themselves in the foot right now by focusing their military assets so much on their tussle with the Klingons right now.
 
aeqnai said:
Saw this bit of interesting speculation just now, makes me wonder if maybe the Rommies are shooting themselves in the foot right now by focusing their military assets so much on their tussle with the Klingons right now.
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That's actually one of my favorite theories -- consider that it's a Romulan who says "never turn your back on a Breen"
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
The Federation Diplomatic Service, normally the bane of Starfleet Commanders, spent the first decade of the 24th Century on the backfoot thanks to you.
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This is an interesting thought.

We had a very successful decade diplomatically, and I feel less that the Diplomatic Service was kept from interfering and more that Kahurangi was able to work successfully in partnership with it, apparently unlike her predecessors. Certainly, given our successes in diplomacy, I don't think any of players thought that the Diplo Service ever needed to be managed away from Starfleet interests, which would fit very much into a new way of thinking about it that the 2300s may have fostered in the officers promoted in Kahurangi's tenure, like our current crop of commodores. I don't think Sousa gives Kahurangi's diplomatic philosophy and politics enough credit here, and I hope her political savvy means she'll be able to partner with the Diplomatic Service as ably as Kahurangi did, rather than treating it as something to be managed or worked around.
 
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@OneirosTheWriter for planning purposes on Chen's bonus.... does crew deduct one year before the end of the shortened build time, or 3 quarters before the end of the shorted build time.

For instance, with a twin-build Excelsior now only taking 12 quarters, does crew deduct in Q9 or Q10?
 
@OneirosTheWriter PP cost to push for a Neutral Zone border extension to cover our expansion and head off tensions with the Romulans, or does that fall under "not your purview"?

Also, curious if omake rewards are in the offing.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Okay, well, let's try to focus a bit.

How about you think in terms of narrowing down to specific answers to specific questions, and try to keep the lengthy explanations down to a reasonable minimum, just for the sake of clearly communicating your priorities:

1) What do you think we should be focusing on in terms of berth construction for the next 5-10 years?
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For the next 5-10 years, 3 more 3mt berths, we have 6 currently and the Ambassador is going to be a 3mt ship to my understanding. I would like to keep the 2 at a time rotation we have going so 2 come online each year and not having a bunch coming at once then waiting three years for the next one. The 9th 3mt berth would be kept for repairs so we don't have to bump a ship, and would likely be used for refits if we have no repairs to run.

Any 2.5mt berths (2 currently) should come about from establishing shipyards at new races, currently Rigel and Ferasa, also add Apiata and Indoria when they join. They can cover refits and repairs for existing Excelsior and can also be used for future cruisers builds long term

For 2mt berths, maybe start some after we get yards up in Rigel and Ferasa (and Apiata and Indoria once they join). Since it will be a while until we get to a new cruiser class with the Renissance being quite new and Explorer and Escort in line for new classes first they are not a pressing need, ideally they should be started once we start the project for the first 2mt cruiser.

For 1mt berths I don't think we will need to build any specifically, we have 9 currently and they ships build fast (2-3 years) and eventually they will be escort only berths, which we are not going to be building tons of. The berths that are likely to be packaged with adding new yards at new member races should cover us here short and long term.

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2) Do you have ideas for what we might be doing 20 or 30 years from now, but that you do not think are a good idea in the short to medium term?
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Berth wise, 2mt berths. Cruisers have a min construction time of 3 years which would mean a max size of 2mt, however we recently introduced a new cruiser and as such that is a line of berths that would serve no purpose short term.

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3) Are there any other specific issues that you think we should be addressing? One point is that Chen's bonus incentivizes us to 'double up' berths at existing facilities... but Chen is probably only going to hold this position for another ten years or so, and her successor will presumably not have the same bonus. So we want to bear that in mind.
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Planning wise, I do not think adding berths to take advantage of an ability like Chen is conductive since Admirals change position, retire, and at some point are going to be seen off by age.

Not quite a berth issue, but I would like a Betazoid starbase and a starbase in the KBZ. I do want a starbase at each homeworld and one in each border zone. Mechanically they provide a solid defense for the system if attacked and provide +5D to sector defense which lets us be more flexible with fleet deployments when need be. Narratively they provide a staging point for ships in the sector and somewhere for ships to dock, rest, and also receive briefings if need be.

Simon_Jester said:
I heard you the first time you said that.

What I'm getting at is: have we seen any particular reason to think that this is already happening to Seruk? Is Personnel getting so big that it requires several thousand people to operate, or so many separate commodore-level commands that a single rear admiral can't keep track of them all? If not, then spending political will to promote him may be premature.
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Not yet, but then not everything is seen up front. I would like to do it before it becomes an issue though, promoting Seruk to Vice Admiral would let us keep some of the best admin in personnel without forcing them to chose between staying at Commodore or becoming a Rear Admiral in a different department. Starfleet is expanding, and we are continuing to expand with the Connie-Bs wave hitting us and soon starting on a Renissance wave.

I also more and more like the idea of Seruk still being there, the Old Man a constant from one admiral to the next. As it is I personally want to try to every year or other year take one of the options to bump a department head up a level (Medical is the second one after personnel, Intel after that then move on to raising tactical, ops and all to Admirals).
 
Simon_Jester said:
Rushing individual ships isn't that useful to us, so I think glov Wurkon is contraindicated. Sirvk's ability is nice, but we're not THAT hard up for special resources. Being able to decrease construction time, now, that is helpful.
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Aren't we still dead set on building big ships over smaller variants? (Honest question, haven't been in this thread for a while now).

Patricia's bonus seems excellent for pairs of the smaller ships, but horrible for Excelsors? Could you think of a single case of a PAIR of the big Eees being built at the same time?

Edit: MY GOD this thread MOVES.
 
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[x][SYO] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen
 
I for one, am a bit worried about Chen's bonus. Not because it's a bad bonus but becaus of minimum yard times-8 quarters for an escort, 12 for a cruiser, 16 for an explorer. Does this really let us build Explorers as fast as a Tier 4 technology, bypassing the normal limits on our production speed?
 
wkz said:
Aren't we still dead set on building big ships over smaller variants? (Honest question, haven't been in this thread for a while now).

Patricia's bonus seems excellent for pairs of the smaller ships, but horrible for Excelsors? Could you think of a single case of a PAIR of the big Eees being built at the same time?

Edit: MY GOD this thread MOVES.
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Yes it does, also I thought the same thing and had to reread her bonus:
-1Qtr per year to complete

So an escort is -2 qtrs, cruiser -3qtrs and an explorer a full year less!
 
Well this does cut down the need for more shipyards & berths a bit - still want a least another 3mt and 1mt though - and instead shifts the focus to needing more crew.

We badly need more crew to supply Patricia Chen's doom SCIENCE fleet. 40pp for Academy expansion is now more attractive to me than another berth, if we can't spare the pp for both.

Also, we should seriously consider retiring Old Guard Seruk or making Personnel a VA position, since that's pretty likely to get us crew income bonuses of some sort.
 
wkz said:
Aren't we still dead set on building big ships over smaller variants? (Honest question, haven't been in this thread for a while now).

Patricia's bonus seems excellent for pairs of the smaller ships, but horrible for Excelsors? Could you think of a single case of a PAIR of the big Eees being built at the same time?
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We've had an unofficial goal of starting two Excelsiors a year, so yes.
 
Briefvoice said:
@OneirosTheWriter for planning purposes on Chen's bonus.... does crew deduct one year before the end of the shortened build time, or 3 quarters before the end of the shorted build time.

For instance, with a twin-build Excelsior now only taking 12 quarters, does crew deduct in Q9 or Q10?
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Crew always deducts 1 year in advance of completion. So it'd be Q9
 
I guess that's that.
[x][SYO] Rear Admiral Patricia Chen

Edit PS: if Chen gets selected, we need to whip the cadets in Starfleet Academy into shape, pronto. At this rate, we're going to have to torment "encourage" the faculty to push out more top tier students to man our more quickly built ships
 
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