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Not all Captain's are equal and I think that highlights a reason to get Seruk to move on so we have control over who gets added to our EC captain pool
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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SuperSonicSound
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I agree with this actually, We should make the last old guard position retire.
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Better to create a Vice Admiral position for personnel, has a long term benefit and allows us to either replace Seruk or turn him to our side, depending on whether we like what he has to offer or not. I can't say that I'm particularly unhappy with his decisions so far.
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Yes, it's already crewed it (coming soon, pretty exciting, isn't it?
)It's kind of like ... do you want a particular sector to be building up? Do you want the sectors bordering the Sydrax to focus on self-defence? Do you want the inner sectors focusing on building up their infrastructure to get extra shipyard berths for your emergency use? Do you feel a war is coming on and you want people to get ready to absorb the potential losses? Do you want to see a member world focus on escorts, or do you want them to change to match your doctrine?
Nah, it's just that the Centaur-A has supplanted both their light and heavy escort designs now. The question is really, build cruisers or build escorts?
lbmaian
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At first glance, I thought these were incomes, and that the Vulcans and Tellarites just gave fuck all to expanding their fleets, and that the Andorians were more interested in their own fleets than Starfleet
What does "letting people decide" mean - you mean default to let the member fleet choose?
Can we sell/trade/buy ships rather than just ship designs? Vulcans, for ex, are looking to build up defense. Can we sell them a Constellation? (like a mothball, but better)
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Yes
Well, I suppose that is something that has been asked for a lot.
It finishes next quarter (2311.Q2)
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lbmaian
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I've voiced this before, but I would really prefer that member fleets stay with ship designs and doctrines that are optimized for their own nature and aesthetics. Apiatans, with their natural predilection toward swarm doctrine, come to mind here. I find just having a single Federation-wide design ethos boring, even if it may somehow be the most efficient way to play the game. Having member fleets use better Starfleet ship designs is fine, but I also want to encourage them to keep designing and building their own ships.
Are you going to threadmark this, or otherwise establish a threadmarked member world fleet status page, ala our current fleet status page?
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This will all be going into yearly MWCO posts.
Well, the Amarki would also like to start their own Next Gen Escort project, so that's still on the cards.
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I wouldn't want to discourage them from building more Rialas (cheaper and more resilient than the Excelsior), or a successor along similar lines (though maybe in cooperation with the Rigellians), but their modern cruiser has almost exactly the same stat distribution as the Renaissance, just all stats lower by 1 (D lower by 2). It doesn't make any sense for them to be building more of those. And for the escort Starfleet and the other Members would want an improvement over the Centaur-A as well, and are unlikely to have very different priorities. I don't think we need to all use exactly the same ship classes, but maybe we can encourage the Caitians And Apiata to cooperate on their next generation escort, for example, their needs seem more similar to each other than to Starfleet and the other members.
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Incorrect. Akuz is fixated on the most meme-y circumstance, but as I mentioned before it was stated that Nash got away with firing on a Cardassian vessel with no militarization cost to us, when the Cheron just suffered an aggressive flyby and we got dinged for that. There are Kirk rules, and we pay 5pp to get access to them.
Also, laying Grey October entirely at Straak's feet is incorrect. Nash planted the seed of doubt, Ajam nurtured it, and Straak harvested the fruit.
lbmaian
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I'm aware of the superiority of the Renaissance, but I also want to encourage the Amarki to design a next gen cruiser themselves, if that's at all possible.
The MWCO offers a fantastic opportunity for the federation members to share ships, ship designs, and even ship technology for each to utilize and optimize for their own needs and wants. Like you said, this would be an ideal case for the Caitains and Apiata to coordinate with their shared doctrines. However, the MWCO also presents an opportunity for homogenization, which is what I'll almost always be voting against.
I think we're pretty much in agreement here.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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So here's a question. With Thuir taking his promotion, who is Qute going to bother when she wants to mess with the Federation?
I'm thinking either Mbeki as the new captain of Miracht or possibly she'll just keep harassing Thuir at his desk job. Although, it would also be funny if she started teasing Straak. He makes a great straight man with his rock obsession and no-nonsense manner.
I'm thinking either Mbeki as the new captain of Miracht or possibly she'll just keep harassing Thuir at his desk job. Although, it would also be funny if she started teasing Straak. He makes a great straight man with his rock obsession and no-nonsense manner.
I agree, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the person Ajam gained the trust of had started to have doubts because of Nash.
Like Kirk Rules is a pretty useful thing narratively, but that's harder to quantify than "45 PP total cost." EDIT: Like, we're not paying that -5 for nothing. It does have tangible benefits.
Real talk, the cost is the only particular reason to push Nash out, and that's been imposed on us by an Old Guard. Her tenure is not particularly unique among Enterprise captains for time-in-chair; and she's not exactly old either. We have no pressing need for her as a Commodore.
Simply put we're letting a persnickety Vulcan push us around based on how he thinks things should be done rather than what's best.
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An idea I had that I think would be better is to offer to pay the br cost of Miranda refits for 1-2 years to help get all the Mirandas turned into Miranda-As.
I'd vote to not give her another extension because I want to see some fresh blood in the logs and clear the promotion pathways, so that isn't a universal thing. Ideally we can have enough former Enterprise captains to form a club.
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Not really. I'd still be against third term even without Seruk making an issue of it.
*shrugs*
We seem to have some pretty clear promotion pathways already. There's no real indication she's holding things up unless @OneirosTheWriter (not Seruk) says otherwise. Plus thanks to your shipbuilding plan there's going to be tons of good Excelsior billets in the coming years
Also you may not personally like her antics in the logs but that's entirely subjective.
But why? Personal distaste?
The cost is a pretty big hurdle but imo it's the only really like, rational reason to pass up on her. Doing so for other reasons means we're informally capping EC captains at two terms -- I will not be voting for any additional outing with Straak if this is what we're basing it on.
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Considering a militarization point costs 60pp, add another 60 to Nash's benefit column
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Don't think this means you've won!
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We seem to have some pretty clear promotion pathways already. There's no real indication she's holding things up unless @OneirosTheWriter (not Seruk) says otherwise. Plus thanks to your shipbuilding plan there's going to be tons of good Excelsior billets in the coming years
Also you may not personally like her antics in the logs but that's entirely subjective.
But why? Personal distaste?
The cost is a pretty big hurdle but imo it's the only really like, rational reason to pass up on her. Doing so for other reasons means we're informally capping EC captains at two terms -- I will not be voting for any additional outing with Straak if this is what we're basing it on.
I agree on informally capping EC captains to two tours, because I like getting fresh perspectives in the Logs, and the more former EC captains we have around the more bonuses we can get.
I'm willing to make an exception in crisis or war cases, but this seems like a relatively safe time to bring in some new blood.
Yes? I have no problem with informally capping EC captains at two terms.
We saw the impact of Kirk and Picard's terms on the Enterprise- it wasn't just that they deferred becoming captains themselves, it was that their second-in-commands refused to promote up until they did, many of their officers did the same, and then you have someone absurdly talented like Sulu who was doing a job he was vastly overqualified for.
That might be a choice Sulu is willing to make for himself, but it is not beneficial to Starfleet as an institution.
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