One Excelsior is dramatically more useful than two Oberths, which are we should remember, fragile little soap-bubbles that pop when you breath on them too hard.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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One Excelsior is dramatically more useful than two Oberths, which are we should remember, fragile little soap-bubbles that pop when you breath on them too hard.
Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
Depends on the size of the starship. The thousand-crew Galaxies probably required something of a diplomat to keep functioning.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Perhaps. On the other hand, as a man directing a starship he's on point for a huge number of first contacts, negotiations, and the like- and he does quite well at the "starship captain" side of his job, even if he's a bit cranky about it sometimes.
Yeah, pretty much. Picard is so good at the game that he can manipulate the system to do whatever he wants it to do.
Anyway, if all of you are feeling so sorry for Commodore ka'Sharren, we ought to give her a nice exciting assignment. What's the most exciting assignment for a commodore? Sector fleet somewhere?
Oooh, we should assign a Commodore to run anti-Syndicate fleet operations now that there's a whole fleet on it.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
We have been thinking about getting that Sydraxian Border Zone...
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ok, so Nash doesn't want the "promotion", Kahurangi (IE, we the players) doesn't want to give it, and Sulu can at least understand that line of thinking given that he served with Kirk. How and why is she getting it?
Air quotes because I'm not sure captain of an EC Enterprise to Commodore is actually a promotion in any meaningful sense. Rank up, prestige and importance down.
Air quotes because I'm not sure captain of an EC Enterprise to Commodore is actually a promotion in any meaningful sense. Rank up, prestige and importance down.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
Director of Operations, explorer command, looks open.
Amarkia sector command would likely be a good symbolic selection.
Amarkia sector command would likely be a good symbolic selection.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Amarkia Sector Command would de facto put Nash in charge of half of our anti-Syndicate ops. Sounds good.
Maybe her unlisted ability to give other people Named Character Powers will kick in and boost some of the people she's commanding?
Not to mention that the Enterprise takes a Huge performance dive.
Shipyard Ops - 2311.Q1
- Location
- Australia
2311.Q1
Well, here you are. The start of your last year in office. The final Shipyard Operations meeting.
Another Excelsior is commissioned, this time at Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, their maiden build. Another new Shipyard that you lobbied for and helped bring into existence, seen come up from nothing, to a duranium skeleton, to a finished product. And now commissioning mighty Excelsiors. It's enough to make you feel a little grandmotherly. The sense of accomplishment keeps you warm as you look out into the stars, waiting for the meeting to begin.
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Starfleet Personnel Command Report - Furnishing Ship's Complements
Unnamed Excelsior-class (NCC-2012) @ 40 Eridani A Fleet Yards is deducting crews (6 Officer, 5 Enlisted, 5 Technician Required)
[ ][CREW] Standard Starfleet
[ ][CREW] Explorer Corps
[ ][NAME] Name the Excelsior that will launch next year from 40 Eridani-A
==========================
Starfleet Shipyard Operations Command Report
From: Captain Tiroth th'Birass, Superintendent, Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility Berth A
To: Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi, Starfleet Command; Commodore Shrai sh'Cothyk, Director, Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility; Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa, Shipyard Operations Command
Subject: Certificate of Completion
To Whom It May Concern,
As per Starfleet Regulations IV-12 (a), as Superintendent of this Shipyard Berth, I herein certify that the project under my command, the USS Thirishar (Excelsior-class explorer, Fleet Order NCC-2011) is complete, assessed, and ready to be added to the Fleet Register.
Sincerely,
Captain Tiroth th'Birass
Ships Commissioned:
USS Thirishar, Excelsior-class, Starfleet Build Order NCC-2011
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[ ][BUILD] Submit a Build Plan
You may select up to TWO ships of 3m ton mass that will commence in Q1. You may select up to ONE ship of 1m ton mass displacement that will commence in Q2.
To make a plan, pick a ship you would like to build and put it in one of the available berths that can handle the mass. All ships have a price in materials and time that are noted in the square brackets after the word "Cost". You can now build Excelsiors in any of the large berths at San Francisco, 40 Eridani A, Ana Font, Utopia Planitia, or Lor'Vela shipyards, while the small berths can make all of the others.
The amount of resources you have right now are listed below, as are the classes you can make, and the shipyards you have available.
Active Starfleet Shipyards
San Francisco Fleet Yards - one (1) large 3mt Berth, two (2) small 1mt Berths
40 Eridani A Shipyards [Vulcan] - two (2) large 3mt Berths, two (2) small 1mt Berths
Ana Font Shipyard [Tellar] - one (1) large 2.5mt Berth, one (1) small 1mt Berth
Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility [Andor] - one (1) large 2.5mt Berth, one (1) small 1mt Berth
Utopia Planitia Shipyard - three (3) large 3mt Berths, three (3) small, 1mt Berths
Current Resource Stockpile
Bulk Industrial Resources: 1160br
Special Industrial Resources: 525sr
Political Will: 181pp
Research Points: 189rp
Current Personnel Pool
Standard Starfleet: 29.7 Officer, 41.8 Enlisted, 30.7 Techs
Explorer Corps: 8.5 Officer, 10.25 Enlisted, 11.2 Techs
Current Construction
1 Excelsior-class @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth A (ETC 2314.Q1 - Crews deduct 2313.Q1)
2 Constitution-B class @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berths 1, 2 (ETC 2312.Q4 - Crews deduct 2311.Q4)
1 Excelsior-class @ 40 Eridani A Berth A (ETC 2312.Q1 - Crew deduct 2311.Q1)
2 Constitution-B class @ 40 Eridani Berth 1, 2 (ETC 2313.Q1 - Crews deduct 2312.Q1)
1 Tellarite Excelsior @ Ana Font Berth A (ETC 2313.Q1)
1 Refit [USS Zephyr] Centaur-A @ Ana Font Berth a (ETC 2311.Q2)
1 Excelsior-class @ Lor'Vela OCF (ETC 2311.Q1 - Crews deduct 2310.Q1)
1 Constitution-B @ Lor'Vela OCF (ETC 2312.Q2 - Crews dudct 2311.Q2)
1 United Earth Excelsior-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth A (ETC 2312.Q2)
1 Excelsior-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth B (ETC 2313.Q1 - Crews deduct 2312.Q1)
1 Oberth-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth 1 (ETC 2310.Q2 - Crews deduct 2309.Q2)
2 Constitution-B @ Utopia Planitia Berth C, 2 (ETC 2312.Q2 - Crews deduct 2311.Q2)
1 Renaissance (Prototype) @ Utopia Planitia Berth 3 (ETC 2314.Q1 - Crews deduct 2313.Q1)
Assignments
Already Pre-Assigned in last Fleeet Distribution
Available Non-obsolete Ship Classes
Explorers/Cruisers
Excelsior 2287-Now [511m, 2.3m t]
Light Cruisers
Constitution-B 2310-Now [289m, 1m t]
Long-range Explorer
Oberth 2260-Now [120m 150k t]
Miranda 2280-Now [277m, 655k t]
Centaur-A Refit 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
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Member World Coordination Office
Commissioned:
Andor - 1 Civilian Freighter, 1 2.5mt Berth @ Andoria Orbital
Vulcan -
Tellar - 1 Civilian Ship
Humans - 1 Civilian Ship
Amarki - 1 Modern Cruiser, 1 Colony Ship, 1 Civilian Ship
Betazed -
Caitian - 1 Fathership
Rigel - 1 Cargo Ship
Apiata - 1 Stinger
Risa -
Gaeni - 1 Tech-Cruiser
Caldonia -
Indoria - 1 Patrol Escort, 1 Civilian Freighter
Seyek - 1 Destroyer, 1 Super-Freighter, 1 Colony Ship, 1 Cargo Ship
Orions - 1 Civilian Freighter, 1 Civilian Freighter (for United Earth), believed 1 Syndicate Light Escort
Well, here you are. The start of your last year in office. The final Shipyard Operations meeting.
Another Excelsior is commissioned, this time at Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, their maiden build. Another new Shipyard that you lobbied for and helped bring into existence, seen come up from nothing, to a duranium skeleton, to a finished product. And now commissioning mighty Excelsiors. It's enough to make you feel a little grandmotherly. The sense of accomplishment keeps you warm as you look out into the stars, waiting for the meeting to begin.
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Starfleet Personnel Command Report - Furnishing Ship's Complements
Unnamed Excelsior-class (NCC-2012) @ 40 Eridani A Fleet Yards is deducting crews (6 Officer, 5 Enlisted, 5 Technician Required)
[ ][CREW] Standard Starfleet
[ ][CREW] Explorer Corps
[ ][NAME] Name the Excelsior that will launch next year from 40 Eridani-A
==========================
Starfleet Shipyard Operations Command Report
From: Captain Tiroth th'Birass, Superintendent, Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility Berth A
To: Admiral Vitalia Yukiko Kahurangi, Starfleet Command; Commodore Shrai sh'Cothyk, Director, Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility; Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa, Shipyard Operations Command
Subject: Certificate of Completion
To Whom It May Concern,
As per Starfleet Regulations IV-12 (a), as Superintendent of this Shipyard Berth, I herein certify that the project under my command, the USS Thirishar (Excelsior-class explorer, Fleet Order NCC-2011) is complete, assessed, and ready to be added to the Fleet Register.
Sincerely,
Captain Tiroth th'Birass
Ships Commissioned:
USS Thirishar, Excelsior-class, Starfleet Build Order NCC-2011
==========================
[ ][BUILD] Submit a Build Plan
You may select up to TWO ships of 3m ton mass that will commence in Q1. You may select up to ONE ship of 1m ton mass displacement that will commence in Q2.
To make a plan, pick a ship you would like to build and put it in one of the available berths that can handle the mass. All ships have a price in materials and time that are noted in the square brackets after the word "Cost". You can now build Excelsiors in any of the large berths at San Francisco, 40 Eridani A, Ana Font, Utopia Planitia, or Lor'Vela shipyards, while the small berths can make all of the others.
The amount of resources you have right now are listed below, as are the classes you can make, and the shipyards you have available.
Active Starfleet Shipyards
San Francisco Fleet Yards - one (1) large 3mt Berth, two (2) small 1mt Berths
40 Eridani A Shipyards [Vulcan] - two (2) large 3mt Berths, two (2) small 1mt Berths
Ana Font Shipyard [Tellar] - one (1) large 2.5mt Berth, one (1) small 1mt Berth
Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility [Andor] - one (1) large 2.5mt Berth, one (1) small 1mt Berth
Utopia Planitia Shipyard - three (3) large 3mt Berths, three (3) small, 1mt Berths
Current Resource Stockpile
Bulk Industrial Resources: 1160br
Special Industrial Resources: 525sr
Political Will: 181pp
Research Points: 189rp
Current Personnel Pool
Standard Starfleet: 29.7 Officer, 41.8 Enlisted, 30.7 Techs
Explorer Corps: 8.5 Officer, 10.25 Enlisted, 11.2 Techs
Current Construction
1 Excelsior-class @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth A (ETC 2314.Q1 - Crews deduct 2313.Q1)
2 Constitution-B class @ San Francisco Fleet Yards Berths 1, 2 (ETC 2312.Q4 - Crews deduct 2311.Q4)
1 Excelsior-class @ 40 Eridani A Berth A (ETC 2312.Q1 - Crew deduct 2311.Q1)
2 Constitution-B class @ 40 Eridani Berth 1, 2 (ETC 2313.Q1 - Crews deduct 2312.Q1)
1 Tellarite Excelsior @ Ana Font Berth A (ETC 2313.Q1)
1 Refit [USS Zephyr] Centaur-A @ Ana Font Berth a (ETC 2311.Q2)
1 Constitution-B @ Lor'Vela OCF (ETC 2312.Q2 - Crews dudct 2311.Q2)
1 United Earth Excelsior-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth A (ETC 2312.Q2)
1 Excelsior-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth B (ETC 2313.Q1 - Crews deduct 2312.Q1)
1 Oberth-class @ Utopia Planitia Berth 1 (ETC 2310.Q2 - Crews deduct 2309.Q2)
2 Constitution-B @ Utopia Planitia Berth C, 2 (ETC 2312.Q2 - Crews deduct 2311.Q2)
1 Renaissance (Prototype) @ Utopia Planitia Berth 3 (ETC 2314.Q1 - Crews deduct 2313.Q1)
Assignments
Already Pre-Assigned in last Fleeet Distribution
Available Non-obsolete Ship Classes
Explorers/Cruisers
Excelsior 2287-Now [511m, 2.3m t]
C6 S5 H4 L5 P5 D6
Cost [230br 150sr, 4 years], Crew [O-6, E-5, T-5]
Cost [230br 150sr, 4 years], Crew [O-6, E-5, T-5]
Light Cruisers
Constitution-B 2310-Now [289m, 1m t]
C5 S3 H3 L4 P3 D5
Cost [100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-4, T-4]
Cost [100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-4, T-4]
Long-range Explorer
Oberth 2260-Now [120m 150k t]
C1 S5 H1 L2 P1 D0
Cost[15br, 60sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-1, T-4]
Cost[15br, 60sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-1, T-4]
Miranda 2280-Now [277m, 655k t]
C3 S1 H1 L2 P1 D2
Cost[60br, 40sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
Miranda-A Now-Now [277m, 655k t]Cost[60br, 40sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
C3 S2 H2 L3 P1 D2
Cost[60br, 45sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
Cost[60br, 45sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
Centaur-A Refit 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3
Cost [80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
Cost [80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
---
Member World Coordination Office
Commissioned:
Andor - 1 Civilian Freighter, 1 2.5mt Berth @ Andoria Orbital
Vulcan -
Tellar - 1 Civilian Ship
Humans - 1 Civilian Ship
Amarki - 1 Modern Cruiser, 1 Colony Ship, 1 Civilian Ship
Betazed -
Caitian - 1 Fathership
Rigel - 1 Cargo Ship
Apiata - 1 Stinger
Risa -
Gaeni - 1 Tech-Cruiser
Caldonia -
Indoria - 1 Patrol Escort, 1 Civilian Freighter
Seyek - 1 Destroyer, 1 Super-Freighter, 1 Colony Ship, 1 Cargo Ship
Orions - 1 Civilian Freighter, 1 Civilian Freighter (for United Earth), believed 1 Syndicate Light Escort
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Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
That's kind of the point. Nash is hogging one of the most prestigious positions we have available. It's not really about her falling; as an organization we need room for other people to rise. "Captain of the Enterprise" is a big line to slap on your CSV and by handing it out to people we want to see reach higher command we can help them get there.
But not everyone deserves the chair, it sounds like we're taking it from the one who did.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME] Aelin
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
[X][NAME] Aelin
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
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[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME] Kirk
Let's honor one of our biggest heroes, the Explorer of the 23rd century, the man who saved the Federation (along with his crew!) more than once. This one... this one is for Starfleet itself.
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
[X][NAME] Kirk
Let's honor one of our biggest heroes, the Explorer of the 23rd century, the man who saved the Federation (along with his crew!) more than once. This one... this one is for Starfleet itself.
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
So do we let the big K name her last Explorer The USS James T. Kirk as her official sendoff?
Or do we save it for an early Ambassador?
Or do we save it for an early Ambassador?
Happerry
Bat out of Hell
- Location
- Kanto
Official Sendoff sounds good to me.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME] Kirk
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][NAME] Kirk
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The thing is that Nash is very likely the most the competent Starfleet Captain since Kirk. Kicking her upstairs hurts the organization as a whole.
As for builds and crews?
EC Crew the new excelsior, and 2 Excelsiors and Connie-B to build I guess?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
If we can make an Excelsior Explorer Corps, then we should. I'm actually going to stay out of the name debate this time, and I trust Briefvoice on ship building.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
Putting people in a prized mid-ranking position like "explorer captain" permanently means that those slots are no longer available to promising individuals rising through the ranks. Look at it from the point of view of all the lieutenant commanders and commanders in Starfleet- can any of them aspire to command the Enterprise as long as Nash is in the chair? Nash is only about forty; she could easily last another 20-30 years before retirement, assuming nothing blows her up first. Normally we'd expect four or five people to cycle through that captain's chair in that span of time. But as long as she's in it, that particular spot is closed- and as much to the point, that rung on the ladder to higher rank is barred to them.
There are other explorers, of course- but it does act to create a blockage in the flow of Starfleet officers upwards towards flag rank.
I mean, just to pick people who are "real" to us because we've seen them in omakes: would you say that this particular spot is barred to Mrr'shan? Or Leaniss? Or how about some of our more promising junior officers who will be reaching captain's rank in
Remember Kaylee Straite, that awesome sensor officer on the Sarek? The one who tracked the Kadak-Tor through like six ion storms? Who, in the Strangelove scenario, would probably have been the person solely responsible for saving a whole planet by keeping track of the stealth cruiser's movements?
If she shows up as a candidate for the captain's list in five or ten years, and Nash is still on Enterprise, we may be in the position of saying "so sorry, you can't get an Explorer Corps command in the next cycle, because all our explorers are full!"
It's not a one-sided argument, and if Nash decides to militantly dodge promotion I just may vote to keep bumping her back to Enterprise. I mean, I have a soul and all.
But there are good reasons NOT to endlessly keep the same person in the same role forever.
[X][CREW] Explorer Corps
[X][BUILD] Two Excelsiors and One Connie-B
- Build Excelsior in Lor'Vela OCF 2.5 mt berth in Q1
- Build Excelsior in 40 Eridani A Berth B in Q1
- Build Constitution-B in Ana Font 1mt Berth in Q2
There is a reason, to be fair.
Putting people in a prized mid-ranking position like "explorer captain" permanently means that those slots are no longer available to promising individuals rising through the ranks. Look at it from the point of view of all the lieutenant commanders and commanders in Starfleet- can any of them aspire to command the Enterprise as long as Nash is in the chair? Nash is only about forty; she could easily last another 20-30 years before retirement, assuming nothing blows her up first. Normally we'd expect four or five people to cycle through that captain's chair in that span of time. But as long as she's in it, that particular spot is closed- and as much to the point, that rung on the ladder to higher rank is barred to them.
There are other explorers, of course- but it does act to create a blockage in the flow of Starfleet officers upwards towards flag rank.
I mean, just to pick people who are "real" to us because we've seen them in omakes: would you say that this particular spot is barred to Mrr'shan? Or Leaniss? Or how about some of our more promising junior officers who will be reaching captain's rank in
Remember Kaylee Straite, that awesome sensor officer on the Sarek? The one who tracked the Kadak-Tor through like six ion storms? Who, in the Strangelove scenario, would probably have been the person solely responsible for saving a whole planet by keeping track of the stealth cruiser's movements?
If she shows up as a candidate for the captain's list in five or ten years, and Nash is still on Enterprise, we may be in the position of saying "so sorry, you can't get an Explorer Corps command in the next cycle, because all our explorers are full!"
Thing is, there are very plainly people who do. Nash may well be the Federation's most talented single ship captain, but she is very far from its only good one. And she's certainly not the only very good one out of the pool of all officers who have made or will make the rank of captain in the next two to three decades.
It's not a one-sided argument, and if Nash decides to militantly dodge promotion I just may vote to keep bumping her back to Enterprise. I mean, I have a soul and all.
But there are good reasons NOT to endlessly keep the same person in the same role forever.
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Ten years is a long time. We count a 5YM as a season, but honestly, it's far, far longer than that. We also get quarterly captain's logs, but a lot more happens than we see. Ten years is forever compared to what we're shown in quest.
I think it's time for her to move on.
I think it's time for her to move on.
There are plenty of Explorer Corps ships around for other talented captains, let our best keep her seat and keep up the good work.
- Location
- madison
mechanically it doesn't. her bonus is +1 to crew rating, however I don't think that lets her buff it above the max level, and it's been maxed out for some time. Besides, she probably has a rather strong bonus for wherever we put her next.