Cornuthaum
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For exploration.... send the humans. (Or the Andorians.)
But for containing monsters? Send the Vulcans.
But for containing monsters? Send the Vulcans.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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It's "just" another warp capable but uncloaked freighter, we already discovered and blew up something like 4 of those before. Its pretty much irrelevant compared to the cloaked heavy warbird they already have. The really scary news is that they have the manufacturing capacity for cloaked shuttles.
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Speaking about manufacturing, the colony we evacuated had a shipyard. We should probably destroy that one next turn.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Not quite you see it also has feddy tech specifically sensors and given the phages ability to improvise I'm not at all certain that it won't start fine tuning its cloaks to be more effective against them.
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Yes, that's the plan. And start the evacuation of Liath V (the other small colony with a shipyard). Solitude we'll probably choose to keep and defend instead, the position near the bottom of the neutral zone is strategically significant and it's a large colony. Maybe send an industy team to build up fixed defenses there.
They already have mil spec federation sensors from the Miranda they assimilated, civilian grade won't make a difference.
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We have to back T'Faer, but I understand O'Hara's point of view. I'm not sure I want him out of Star Fleet completely, but I don't want him continuing to command an Explorer.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Oh fair enough then, could have been worse then I suppose. Still need to cashier that officer, things could have gone much worse than they did.
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We could give him a desk job or something.
cokerpilot
Here comes the rain.
The captain made the wrong call and disobeyed orders at the same time either of these can be bad both at the same time is a career killer. Still his reasoning will click with a lot people so I'm not sure if we should Court martial him publicly. We the players especially those of us that have played homeworld Cataclysm are fully aware of the horror that is the beast. What imagine most of you are forgetting is that on the whole the federation isn't. Hell even those amongst that are intellectually aware of the potential threat probably don't fully grasp the shear horror of what they are dealing with. They haven't watched it nearly consume an galaxy, or witnessed those who stand above them like gods have a few encounters with it and decid that it's time to get the fuck out of the Galaxy. We need to be careful with this case as it is a political land mind. Sure the federation might look back in the future and know the actions of the captain could have put billions of life's at risk but right now they still don't fully understand what they are dealing with.
Theunderbolt
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To hell with sensors I'm more worried about them getting access to teleport er tech.
He can be in charge of counting rocks in the most backwater post available.
Could there be nascent starfaring cultures within the Neutral Zone, unaware of the enforced silence of space around them? Has our ancient feud with the Romulans just doomed a culture that may have offered much to the galaxy? It appears to have come from Area 2 of the Neutral Zone.
Well, I guess we know which Area to send the investigation towards next turn.
I'd like to hear what the man has to say for himself before passing final judgment. We heard some reports from very far away, but the person at the scene always has more information. I'm not excusing him, but I'll at least hear him out.
Well, I guess we know which Area to send the investigation towards next turn.
I'd like to hear what the man has to say for himself before passing final judgment. We heard some reports from very far away, but the person at the scene always has more information. I'm not excusing him, but I'll at least hear him out.
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They already have access to the very latest Romulan tech across the board, and the previous generation of Federation tech (Miranda rather than Centaur).
Area 2 would have been next anyway. Start at the top, work down until we meet with the Klingons.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Fuck that noise.
This is Star Trek. Justice that needs to be meted out in the dark isn't justice. He disobeyed a direct order, and more importantly he failed. Public Court Martial, public opinion be damned.
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On the bright side, now that Liath V has a population of only 46k instead of 55k, evacuation would only take 1 turn instead of 2 turns since we can evacuate about 50k per turn.
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@OneirosTheWriter : Where the empaths present at any of the four encounters with the biophage? You'd expect them to be posted on one of the Excelsiors, all four of which were involved, probably on the flagship which seems to be the Kumari. The Kumari doesn't seem to have been involved in any of the encounters with the cloaked shuttles, but took part in cleansing Liath V, so I suppose we can conclude that that they can't sense anything special from orbit?
It occurs to me that this situation may well have been avoided if we had codified containment procedures for the Phage. If it had been a matter of course that once a ship was irreversibly compromised (for example, infected and with no means to eliminate it by burning it out) that said ship should be destroyed then this unfortunate turn of events wouldn't have happened.
Sure, the idea of losing something like an Excelsior to the Phage because part of the engineering section has been compromised (and the crew might be able to burn it out with an ad hoc solution) would hurt. You know what would hurt more? Giving the Phage an Excelsior.
Sure, the idea of losing something like an Excelsior to the Phage because part of the engineering section has been compromised (and the crew might be able to burn it out with an ad hoc solution) would hurt. You know what would hurt more? Giving the Phage an Excelsior.
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I think your being a bit harsh about the "dis-obeyed orders" angle of this blow-up. Yes, he dis-obeyed in a crisis situation, but when those orders are "murder a thousand people who you might be able to save", isn't hesitation, and even disobedience, the sort of thing that we would normally want? Yes, these are exceptionally trying circumstances, but whatever we do now could affect precedents for future situations. Right now, it's an existential crisis that could affect destroy all civilizations. Next time, It'll be a crisis that has the fate of the Federation on the line. The time after that, the reputation and credibility of Starfleet will be at stake.
The path to damnation begins with a single well-meaning step. If we must fight for the sake of the future, we must also fight for the future that we want to come about.
That all said, we really need to pencil in "sabotage Warp-capabilities" as step-one in case of infection, for future reference. Followed by the teleporters. Wait, no, it got into Engineering first, so that was a non-option. Seriously, I smell "kobayashi maru" scenario all over this situation. Not just for the captain, but for our poor Leader, as well, "Do I discard my morals for the sake of expediency, or do I stand by them at the risk of a greater defeat"?
1752 They took my post counter away! Now I have to keep track manually! How fiendish.
The path to damnation begins with a single well-meaning step. If we must fight for the sake of the future, we must also fight for the future that we want to come about.
That all said, we really need to pencil in "sabotage Warp-capabilities" as step-one in case of infection, for future reference. Followed by the teleporters. Wait, no, it got into Engineering first, so that was a non-option. Seriously, I smell "kobayashi maru" scenario all over this situation. Not just for the captain, but for our poor Leader, as well, "Do I discard my morals for the sake of expediency, or do I stand by them at the risk of a greater defeat"?
1752 They took my post counter away! Now I have to keep track manually! How fiendish.
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AKuz
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The Excelsior's Captain should be assigned to coordinate civilian evacuation for the duration of the crisis.
He should be returned to command at the end of it though, with a mark on his record (That will stall promotion). We /want/ moral officers, and we should respect that not all officers are capable of such actions (Which is why Ka'Sharren took responsibility for Dunwich IV and did not force every one of her comrades to act against thier morality.
Not all officers are capable of serving in all circumstances.
By all indications he is an otherwise fine officer with a good record. We do not want to waste talent and experience. We just cannot rely on him in this extreme instance.
We should also circulate a memo to the effect that any officers who believe that they will be incapable of carrying out orders to secure Quarantine that they should let us know, so that we do not have another incident. Let it be known that we respect their morality and do not judge them negatively for it. Not all people can do all tasks.
He should be returned to command at the end of it though, with a mark on his record (That will stall promotion). We /want/ moral officers, and we should respect that not all officers are capable of such actions (Which is why Ka'Sharren took responsibility for Dunwich IV and did not force every one of her comrades to act against thier morality.
Not all officers are capable of serving in all circumstances.
By all indications he is an otherwise fine officer with a good record. We do not want to waste talent and experience. We just cannot rely on him in this extreme instance.
We should also circulate a memo to the effect that any officers who believe that they will be incapable of carrying out orders to secure Quarantine that they should let us know, so that we do not have another incident. Let it be known that we respect their morality and do not judge them negatively for it. Not all people can do all tasks.
aeqnai
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To hell with questions of morality or public opinion, I want O'Hare's badge and pips literally as soon as we can get them. Sometimes you have to put aside sentimentality in the face of not giving a horrific enemy more resources to hurt us with and this is one of those times and he ought to damn well know it. I don't want anyone else in the Fleet getting ideas that this was in any way okay. And he ought to damn well know those innocents he tried to save are now suffering a fate worse than death because of him.
Irresponsible. Even if he still wanted to evacuate more people, he still should have fired on it. Abet to disable rather then destroy. Shere off a warp nacelle and beam them out at leisure. Some of the uninfected might have been killed, but not all.
Lock power for warp to engineering, And navigation controls, i.e. Actually going to warp, to the bridge. wont stop it, but that should delay it long enough.
A software crash command might also work. First sign of infection, reformat averything related to propulsion.
Also strange there was no warp pursuit of the fleeing ship. It is very possible, if difficult, and there were much faster ships there.
Lock power for warp to engineering, And navigation controls, i.e. Actually going to warp, to the bridge. wont stop it, but that should delay it long enough.
A software crash command might also work. First sign of infection, reformat averything related to propulsion.
Also strange there was no warp pursuit of the fleeing ship. It is very possible, if difficult, and there were much faster ships there.
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I think stalling promotion is a bit harsh.
We should have him work on emergency transport procedures, including quarantine and sterilization.
AKuz
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Honestly O'Hara's biggest failing was not letting us know that he would be unable to carry out orders to fire on an infected ship. Every officer knew what they were getting into, I think I specifically made a point of asking for volunteers.
And if he failed to know his abilities and lacked the judgement to let us know, that is what should halt all upwards momentum in Starfleet. Not his actions, but his premeditated lack of personal judgement.
Edit: Stalling promotion isn't a punishment. It's a recognition of his inability to know himself as an officer. He's simply isn't suited to make larger decisions.
And if he failed to know his abilities and lacked the judgement to let us know, that is what should halt all upwards momentum in Starfleet. Not his actions, but his premeditated lack of personal judgement.
Edit: Stalling promotion isn't a punishment. It's a recognition of his inability to know himself as an officer. He's simply isn't suited to make larger decisions.
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At this point if you stall his promotion odds are he'll never advance further in Starfleet. The availability of Commodire billets compared to Captain slots are at least 1:20.