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Honestly when the quest is ending the PCs are dying and the Federation breaking I prefer a last "From hell's heart..." over a quiet end.
But I doubt we'll ever get that far.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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But I doubt we'll ever get that far.
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Like I said, still idiotic.
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I prefer not to role-play nihilistic, evil people, thank you very much.
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Do you really think it's evil and nihilistic to curse your murderer with your last breath?
Whatever, I really doubt we'll ever screw up enough to vote on the Federations last actions before it's final planet is wiped out.
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I think it's evil and nihilistic to curse the entire galaxy with your last breath, causing untold and incalculable devastation that will likely result in the deaths of billions of innocents.
Leaving aside the morals, a biophage infection is a terrible idea from the standpoint that even if we're immune, you are giving the Phage Cardassian ships. It might save us the current war while the Cardassians pull back to deal with it, but if the Phage comes out in top we've traded one dangerous enemy for a FAR more dangerous one and we're in a weakened state.
This is why I have a low opinion of Section 31, this is the kind of plan they'd come up with.
TL;DR: do you want cardassian alex mercer
This is why I have a low opinion of Section 31, this is the kind of plan they'd come up with.
TL;DR: do you want cardassian alex mercer
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Releasing the genophage isn't cursing whoever defeats us, it's cursing the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants at minimum.
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PARTIAL PLAN DRAFT- CASE ALPHA-PRIME (STARFLEET MANEUVERS)
FOR REFERENCE, A REALLY SWEET MAP IS HERE
FOR REFERENCE, THIS TELLS US WHERE EVERYTHING IS
FOR REFERENCE, ONEIROS'S PLAN ALPHA IS HERE
FOR REFERENCE, SHIP STATS ARE HERE
FOR REFERENCE, THE OTHER HALF OF MY PLAN IS HERE
[cracks knuckles again]
So yeah. Now, in hopes of giving everyone something sane to talk about, here is the other half of my "Plan Alpha Prime." PLEASE tell me if I have missed anything, or if there are any details you want me to change.
I have already noted three problems with the plan below, at bottom, and in one case suggested three possible solutions. The other problems, I can't find a satisfactory answer to. One problem is built into the nature of Plan Alpha and I can't really fix it.
Please note, especially @Briefvoice, that yes, this plan will take more than one week to implement. Any useful plan would take more than a week to implement. We cannot simply issue our orders for this week without considering our desired end-state in three or four weeks' time when our ships have had time to redeploy.
Furthermore, note that I am not necessarily proposing this plan to start immediately. It is a general plan based on a good faith attempt to implement the Plan Alpha plan in detail.
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Now. We are told that the core of Plan Alpha is:
1) Detach some reinforcements from Vulcan, KBZ and RBZ fleets to reinforce the others.
2) Focus your strength in: Vega, Tales Har, 15 Themis, Ord Grind Duk, Pygmalion
3) Sarek, S'harien, Enterprise group up at Seyek's Celesipos Outpost, between Qloath and Lecarre, as a potential flanking force.
So, here are fleet orders by sector. General notes:
A) High science values are preferred for counter-cloak operations. Therefore, the Centaur-As and Oberths have been sent to the fleets most likely to encounter cloaked opponents- the ones on the rimward frontier facing the Cardassians, rather than the ones to coreward that face the Sydraxians.
B) Conversely, low-science Mirandas are being preferentially sent to the coreward fleets and rear area duties, where their low science score is less likely to matter. Also because the Sydraxians are less likely to be able to capitalize on the Miranda's glass jaw than the cruiser-heavy Cardassian fleet.
-Endurance, Lion, Bon Vivant, and Fidelity (an Excelsior and three Mirandas) to proceed from Sol to Vega colony to form the core of Fifth Fleet.
-Bull (Centaur-A) to remain in place at Sol.
-Selaya (Constellation) cannot go anywhere, due to Defense requirements.
-Bull (Centaur-A) to remain in place at Sol.
-Selaya (Constellation) cannot go anywhere, due to Defense requirements.
-Sappho (Constellation-class) to proceed from Vulcan to Pygmalion 337 in the Caitian Sector, there to join Third Fleet.
-Lightning (Centaur-A) to proceed from Vulcan to to Ord Grind Duk, there to join Second Fleet in the Tellar Sector.
-T'Kumbra (Miranda) to remain in place to maintain SOME Starfleet presence in the Vulcan sector. Plan Alpha doesn't say "completely strip this sector of ships."
-Lightning (Centaur-A) to proceed from Vulcan to to Ord Grind Duk, there to join Second Fleet in the Tellar Sector.
-T'Kumbra (Miranda) to remain in place to maintain SOME Starfleet presence in the Vulcan sector. Plan Alpha doesn't say "completely strip this sector of ships."
-Avandar, Docana, and Suvek (an Excelsior, a Constellation, and an Oberth) to proceed from Andoria to Pygmalion 337 in the Caitian Sector, to form the core of Third Fleet.
-Eketha (Miranda) to remain in place at Andoria. See previous comments about T'Kumbra in the Vulcan Sector.
-Eketha (Miranda) to remain in place at Andoria. See previous comments about T'Kumbra in the Vulcan Sector.
-Stalwart and [/i]Gale[/i] (a Constellation and a Centaur-A) to proceed to Ord Grind Duk, there to form the core of Second Fleet.
-Calypso (Miranda) to remain at Tellar Prime until/unless Tellarian home fleet elements arrive in the system, then to join Second Fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-Calypso (Miranda) to remain at Tellar Prime until/unless Tellarian home fleet elements arrive in the system, then to join Second Fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-Salnas and Dryad (an Excelsior and a Miranda to proceed to Tales Har, there to form the core of Fourth Fleet.
-Vigour and Hawking (a Constellation and an Oberth) to join Second Fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-Fourth Fleet will remain a skeleton formation for some time; I'm considering it as a destination for Mirandas peeled off the trailward frontier or shifted away from Fifth Fleet at Vega. We just don't have enough ships to be strong everywhere, and we do NOT want a weaksauce fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-We really need the science vessel at Ord Grind Duk, especially since there is no science vessel handy. I'm hoping that we can use sheer numbers to put a large fleet, with multiple science vessels, escorts, and light cruisers, there, so that collectively they can locate and stop the Kadak-Tor if it passes through Orion space and strikes at the Federation's core territory.
-Vigour and Hawking (a Constellation and an Oberth) to join Second Fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-Fourth Fleet will remain a skeleton formation for some time; I'm considering it as a destination for Mirandas peeled off the trailward frontier or shifted away from Fifth Fleet at Vega. We just don't have enough ships to be strong everywhere, and we do NOT want a weaksauce fleet at Ord Grind Duk.
-We really need the science vessel at Ord Grind Duk, especially since there is no science vessel handy. I'm hoping that we can use sheer numbers to put a large fleet, with multiple science vessels, escorts, and light cruisers, there, so that collectively they can locate and stop the Kadak-Tor if it passes through Orion space and strikes at the Federation's core territory.
-Kumari, Cheron, Challorn, Zephyr, and Winterwind (an Excelsior, a Constitution-A, a Constellation, and two Centaurs, one refitted and one not) are to proceed to 15 Themis, there to form the core of First Fleet.
-I would order Excelsior to Ord Grind Duk, but that's Commodore Harriman's flagship. The Romulan Neutral Zone is probably the only place in the Federation important enough to merit even one of our Excelsiors at a time like this, so I am not moving Harriman.
-The RBZ is actually pretty bare, so it's hard to get reinforcements from there. All we've got is a flagship (and we really shouldn't remove the ONLY high-Science vessel on the Romulan border) and a pair of Mirandas.
-Svai (Miranda) to proceed from Beta Indi to Andor; further orders may be given upon her arrival.
-Excelsior and Shield (Excelsior and Miranda) are to proceed from Beta Indi to Solitude, still in the border zone.
-The RBZ is actually pretty bare, so it's hard to get reinforcements from there. All we've got is a flagship (and we really shouldn't remove the ONLY high-Science vessel on the Romulan border) and a pair of Mirandas.
-Svai (Miranda) to proceed from Beta Indi to Andor; further orders may be given upon her arrival.
-Excelsior and Shield (Excelsior and Miranda) are to proceed from Beta Indi to Solitude, still in the border zone.
-Again, this fleet is pretty small. I'm shifting most of it to the end close to Dawiar space where it can support Third Fleet at Pygmalion, but I don't want to actively strip the Klingon border entirely YET. If Third Fleet didn't already have an Oberth courtesy of the Andor Sector garrison, I would detach Inspire to Third Fleet.
-Kearsarge, Thunderhead, and Inspire (a Constellation, a Miranda, and an Oberth) are to proceed from Tipperary to Biroth.
-Intrepid (Miranda) is to remain at Tipperary.
-Kearsarge, Thunderhead, and Inspire (a Constellation, a Miranda, and an Oberth) are to proceed from Tipperary to Biroth.
-Intrepid (Miranda) is to remain at Tipperary.
-Enterprise, Sarek, and S'harien to rendezvous at the Seyek's Celesipos outpost, just rimward of Q'loath space.
-Miracht to continue her explorations, but to move in the general direction of Vega, both to recall her to Federation space in the event of war, and to make possible hypothetical operations like a diplomatic visit to the Yridians (on map Yrillians, in canon Yridians).
-Courageous to expedite repairs at Gaen as best as possible.
-Miracht to continue her explorations, but to move in the general direction of Vega, both to recall her to Federation space in the event of war, and to make possible hypothetical operations like a diplomatic visit to the Yridians (on map Yrillians, in canon Yridians).
-Courageous to expedite repairs at Gaen as best as possible.
This results in the following fleet concentrations:
--USS Kumari, Excelsior, NCC-2005
--USS Cheron, Constitution, NCC-1720
--USS Challorn, Constellation, NCC-1809
--USS Zephyr, Centaur, NCC-2103
--USS Winterwind, Centaur-A, NCC-2104
--USS Cheron, Constitution, NCC-1720
--USS Challorn, Constellation, NCC-1809
--USS Zephyr, Centaur, NCC-2103
--USS Winterwind, Centaur-A, NCC-2104
--USS Stalwart, Constellation, NCC-1807
--USS Vigour, Constellation, NCC-1804
--USS Gale, Centaur-A, NCC-2106
--USS Lightning, Centaur-A, NCC-2105
--USS Hawking, Oberth, NCC-1509
--USS Vigour, Constellation, NCC-1804
--USS Gale, Centaur-A, NCC-2106
--USS Lightning, Centaur-A, NCC-2105
--USS Hawking, Oberth, NCC-1509
--USS Avandar, Excelsior, NCC-2010
--USS Docana, Constellation, NCC-1810
--USS Sappho, Constellation, NCC-1812
--USS Suvek, Oberth, NCC-1508
--USS Docana, Constellation, NCC-1810
--USS Sappho, Constellation, NCC-1812
--USS Suvek, Oberth, NCC-1508
--USS Salnas, Excelsior, NCC-2009
--USS Dryad, Miranda, NCC-1631
--USS Dryad, Miranda, NCC-1631
--USS Endurance, Excelsior, NCC-2007
--USS Lion, Miranda, NCC-1654
--USS Bon Vivant, Miranda, NCC-1621
--USS Fidelity, Miranda, NCC-1634
--USS Lion, Miranda, NCC-1654
--USS Bon Vivant, Miranda, NCC-1621
--USS Fidelity, Miranda, NCC-1634
--USS Bull, Centaur-A, NCC-2107, Sol System
--USS Selaya, Constellation, NCC-1803, Betazed, nailed to the floor by defense requirements.
--USS T'Kumbra, Miranda, NCC-1659, Vulcan System
--USS Eketha, Miranda, NCC-1655, Andor System
--USS Svai, Miranda, NCC-1658, Andor System
--USS Calypso, Miranda, NCC-1632, Tellar System, pending deployment to Ord Grind Duk
--USS Excelsior, Excelsior, NCC-2001, RBZ (Beta Indi)
--USS Shield, Miranda, NCC-1659, RBZ (Beta Indi)
--USS Kearsarge, Constellation, NCC-1811, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Thunderhead, Miranda, NCC-1656, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Inspire, Oberth, NCC-1510, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Intrepid, Miranda, NCC-1657, KBZ (Tipperary)
--USS Selaya, Constellation, NCC-1803, Betazed, nailed to the floor by defense requirements.
--USS T'Kumbra, Miranda, NCC-1659, Vulcan System
--USS Eketha, Miranda, NCC-1655, Andor System
--USS Svai, Miranda, NCC-1658, Andor System
--USS Calypso, Miranda, NCC-1632, Tellar System, pending deployment to Ord Grind Duk
--USS Excelsior, Excelsior, NCC-2001, RBZ (Beta Indi)
--USS Shield, Miranda, NCC-1659, RBZ (Beta Indi)
--USS Kearsarge, Constellation, NCC-1811, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Thunderhead, Miranda, NCC-1656, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Inspire, Oberth, NCC-1510, KBZ (Biroth)
--USS Intrepid, Miranda, NCC-1657, KBZ (Tipperary)
ACKNOWLEDGED WEAKNESSES IN THE PLAN:
-Second Fleet (Ord Grind Duk) doesn't have an Excelsior. Possible solutions:
1) Send the Endurance from Sol sector- but this leaves that sector with no Excelsior.
2) Send Salnas from Amarkia sector- but then it's hard to put together a meaningful force concentration at Tales Har for Fourth Fleet
3) Send Excelsior from the RBZ- but that's Harriman's flagship and the only high-science vessel in the border zone.
4) Move Inspire from Biroth in the KBZ to join Second Fleet, IF we can't get an Excelsior for that fleet. Or for that matter, even if we can.
5) Adding Yukikaze from the anti-Syndicate task force would help good deal, especially combined with adding Inspire. Put together they'd have almost as much Combat as a stock Excelsior, and a lot more Science.
-Fourth Fleet (Tales Har) is puny. I honestly don't know how to fix that one, because we need the ships much worse on the rimward frontier than on the coreward one.
-There are very few Starfleet vessels covering the core homeworlds. This is because the plan explicitly concentrates our forces on the frontier. You will note that my earlier post regarding member world fleets had most of their strength reposition... to cover homeworlds. For precisely this reason.
FURTHER SUGGESTIONS:
-If T'Mir is recalled from her deep operations in Cardassian space, she should link up with First Fleet.
-Third Fleet could muster at Landle IV instead of Pygmalion 337. This would keep them in the Andor sector, a little further back and farther from the Dawiar.
-We could leave USS Endurance at Sol and not have an Excelsior flagship for Fifth Fleet, but in exchange have a much stronger flagship for the defense of Sol.
-We could scrap the entire idea of having a Fourth and Fifth Fleet facing the Sydraxians and Yridians, but this would be a major deviation from Plan Alpha.
EDIT LOG:
- [Innumerable minor style and formatting edits, not important]
- @Briefvoice brought it to my attention that we cannot move USS Selaya from Betazed due to defense requirements. Therefore, this will not be happening.
-Added more suggestions and solutions to the problem of how to strengthen Second Fleet at Ord Grind Duk. In particular, if we really want a strong fleet there we could either shake loose one more Excelsior, or we could add both Yukikaze (a Centaur-A currently hunting Syndicate in the area) and Inspire (the science vessel currently operating in the Klingon Border Zone). Put together, they'd have what it takes to make Second Fleet into one of our more powerful individual formations.[/LEFT]
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Part of the issue of course is that we got Linderly after the Intelligence Admiral we actually liked was forced to figuratively fall on her own sword after an intelligence operation gone wrong cost us most of the crew of an Excelsior, including its captain and first officer. But his specialty is counterintel which apparently does not prepare him to be diplomatic or for trivial things like mentioning "btw I sabotaged your order to share intel with the Klingons instead of telling you directly I would do so" and instead waiting until we find out the Klingons don't believe us because of excessive blackboxing. Relations are poor, he hasn't had a lot of time to set up, and he is apparently terrible at talking to his boss.
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Hey, @Glassware, that's cool and all and I totally agree with you (as you know from the last time we had this argument), but I'm curious what you think of my new plan instead of these old arguments and recriminations!
Derek58
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Please don't start this up again, at least wait until it's actually immediately relevant to the current vote.
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I totally agree! And in the spirit of us NOT revisiting an old argument... so, what do you think of my new plan? 
EDIT: Yes, I am obviously trying to encourage people to talk about something productive rather than having rhetorical knife-fights about intelligence officers or secret plans to destroy the galaxy.
EDIT: Yes, I am obviously trying to encourage people to talk about something productive rather than having rhetorical knife-fights about intelligence officers or secret plans to destroy the galaxy.
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It occurs to me that what with Second Fleet concentrating five sub-megaton ships (two Constellations, two Centaurs, and an Oberth) at Ord Grind Duk, plus whatever the Tellarites don't pull out of that system to defend their homeworld, plus the Andorian and United Earth ships that will hopefully stay in Orion space...
Alpha-Prime has like fifteen or twenty ships covering the direct line of approach from the Kadak-Tor's present estimated location, into the core of Federation space. More, if you count First Fleet, which I don't because the Kadak-Tor will likely pass them before they reach 15 Themis.
I hope that's a good thing.
Alpha-Prime has like fifteen or twenty ships covering the direct line of approach from the Kadak-Tor's present estimated location, into the core of Federation space. More, if you count First Fleet, which I don't because the Kadak-Tor will likely pass them before they reach 15 Themis.
I hope that's a good thing.
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Um, it's pretty damn important we get the Bajorans into the Federation ASAP. We can't let the Cardassians occupy Bajor, we can't let the Orbs fall into Cardassian hands, and we most definitely can't let them claim the location of the (as-yet-undiscovered) wormhole, aka the Celestial Temple's entrance.
Only quoting places where I have major comments/opposition.
I have become leery about reinforcements coreward. The whole reason we're at High Alert in the first place is that we caught a whole lot of warp signatures coming out of the Cardassian Union. If the Sydraxians launch a major operation we should get the same warning. Until that happens, I think it's better to turtle up in Sol sector rather than send the Endurance out of system. It makes little sense to ask the Betazoids to reinforce the system while moving our most powerful ship out of the system at the same time.
Not allowed. High Alert halves garrison requirements; it doesn't eliminate them. We can't pull the Selaya from Betazed unless there's a full State of Emergency because even a halved Defense requirement still requires at least one ship.
I am opposed to using Pygmalion 337 as a mustering point at the moment. Instead I'd send them towards Landle IV in Andor Sector, which is approximately the same direction but closer, so they could just "keep going" if the situation seems to require in a week.
Again, send them to Landle IV this week and see where they need to go after that.
Again, I would like to hold off on attempting to mass towards the Sydraxians until we actually see some sign of activity from them.
Again, until an actual State of Emergency you would have to keep at least D3 on the Klingon border.
Less likely to make the Dawiar feel nervous if we muster them at Landle IV.
I'm opposed to creating the Fourth and Fifth Fleet against an entirely theoretical Sydraxian invasion until we see some sign of activity. Until then I'd rather them hug the critical worlds they're protecting right now.
I have become leery about reinforcements coreward. The whole reason we're at High Alert in the first place is that we caught a whole lot of warp signatures coming out of the Cardassian Union. If the Sydraxians launch a major operation we should get the same warning. Until that happens, I think it's better to turtle up in Sol sector rather than send the Endurance out of system. It makes little sense to ask the Betazoids to reinforce the system while moving our most powerful ship out of the system at the same time.
Not allowed. High Alert halves garrison requirements; it doesn't eliminate them. We can't pull the Selaya from Betazed unless there's a full State of Emergency because even a halved Defense requirement still requires at least one ship.
I am opposed to using Pygmalion 337 as a mustering point at the moment. Instead I'd send them towards Landle IV in Andor Sector, which is approximately the same direction but closer, so they could just "keep going" if the situation seems to require in a week.
Again, send them to Landle IV this week and see where they need to go after that.
Again, I would like to hold off on attempting to mass towards the Sydraxians until we actually see some sign of activity from them.
Again, until an actual State of Emergency you would have to keep at least D3 on the Klingon border.
Less likely to make the Dawiar feel nervous if we muster them at Landle IV.
I'm opposed to creating the Fourth and Fifth Fleet against an entirely theoretical Sydraxian invasion until we see some sign of activity. Until then I'd rather them hug the critical worlds they're protecting right now.
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I totally agree! And in the spirit of us NOT revisiting an old argument... so, what do you think of my new plan?
EDIT: Yes, I am obviously trying to encourage people to talk about something productive rather than having rhetorical knife-fights about intelligence officers or secret plans to destroy the galaxy.
I like your plan.
Doesn't UE have an Excelsior that we built for them? Or is it still under construction.
Obviously I disagree with those opinions you're stating as facts. I think not having a war with the Cardassians before we're ready is more important.
Two years away from completion, I'm afraid. I know it seems so long ago, but UP itself has only been open two years.
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You could pull the Yukikaze off anti-piracy duty? ... and move it to Second Fleet, moving the Vigour to Fourth Fleet?
Maybe USS Sloane (as in Lily Sloane)? Or make up a Tellarite or Andorian scientist? It'd be nice to match the naming scheme.
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To be clear, my plan is based on @OneirosTheWriter and his Plan Alpha. I concentrated fleet units in the places that plan says to concentrate fleet units.
If other people agree that concentrating against an expected Sydraxian attack is a bad idea, I will happily draw up a Plan Epsilon that does not do so. This allows us to provide more protection for the core worlds (probably using part of Sol sector fleet to do so), and
The catch is that if the Sydraxians and/or Yridians jump us, we are screwed, or at least in a lot more trouble than we would be otherwise. Because the Earth and Tellar member fleets are busy protecting their homeworld (and a few other commitments), and the Amarki member fleet we would really, really prefer to keep available as a strategic reserve. Which leaves the coreward frontier bare.
Gotcha. I will go back and edit the plan to leave Selaya at Betazed, since we're not allowed to move it.
Could you run the numbers on Defense for the Vulcan sector, too? In most of the other sectors, I didn't actually remove any/many ships, but I'm not sure what the static defenses look like for Vulcan and if they're weak, I'll have to leave another ship in that sector along with T'Kumbra.
I have no objection to this. I used Pygmalion 337 because that is what Plan Alpha uses, and it had twenty-something voters supporting it.
I think there was already some support for using Landle IV as the mustering point for (that which I call) Third Fleet, and it has the advantage of leaving our forces in the Andor sector for defense requirement purposes.
We could remove at least one, I think two, ships from the KBZ and send them elsewhere if necessary.
I think there was already some support for using Landle IV as the mustering point for (that which I call) Third Fleet, and it has the advantage of leaving our forces in the Andor sector for defense requirement purposes.
I did. No ships actually left the KBZ, they just moved to the spinward end of the KBZ, for much the same reasons you favor assembling (that which I call) Third Fleet (except at Landle IV and not at Pygmalion 337).
We could remove at least one, I think two, ships from the KBZ and send them elsewhere if necessary.
I think they're still working on it. Those puppies take four years to build, remember. Anyway, it's not listed in their current order of battle.
Except that in canon they totally did all of those things, and it turned out more or less okay.
Hm, yes, I could, but IF there's going to be a Fourth Fleet at Tales Har at all, then I'd rather send Mirandas and not Centaurs off to join it. Also, beating up the Syndicate is still important. If the Kadak-Tor is hostile and passes through Orion space, they may well seek to resupply from a Syndicate base, and if the Cardassians invade us, they may try to use Syndicate help to hurt us.
Don't blame me, I just used the ship names Oneiros gave in his own post. But I totally agree with you
The ship already has a name; it's just the QM likes to surprise us in Captain's Logs.
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Assuming full war with state of emergency and similar mechanics to last time we will probably want to use a heavy industry team in Sol and Andor each, to accelerate ship building. The Thirishar (2311.Q1) and the Centaur-A being built at UP (2310.Q2) are the next builds that are going to finish, and after that they could work on Connie-Bs. Not sure whether accelerating the repairs of the Courageous would be possible now that travel time is a thing, probably not.
Also crash building outposts at every major colony or critical location that doesn't have one yet.
Also crash building outposts at every major colony or critical location that doesn't have one yet.
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:«< "Put your faith in the Prophets."
It strikes me as out of character for us to be making decisions based explicitly on what we know of the future. ... unless Kahurangi herself has been receiving visions from the Prophets?
I missed that entirely.Don't blame me, I just used the ship names Oneiros gave in his own post. But I totally agree with you
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I just want to emphasize that if there is a ground-swell of support for a deployment plan that does NOT pull ships from the Sol and Amarkia sectors and move them to the border with the Sydraxians and Yridians, I am perfectly content to draw up that plan.
The plan I actually created is just me looking at Plan Alpha and making a good faith attempt to implement it. Which does require a few odd curlicues, like us playing "musical chairs" and using Betazoid ships to defend Earth while the Starfleet force defending Earth musters at Vega colony.
Plus the very existence of a "Fourth Fleet" at Tales Har, which is frankly rather unsatisfactory and puny; I just didn't have the ships to spare to strengthen it further without either:
1) Shorting Ord Grind Duk, or
2) Asking the Amarki to move their member fleet up there.
(1) is a bad idea because if the Kadak-Tor IS attacking us it is probably going to go right through Ord Grind Duk on the way to the core Federation worlds, plus Ord Grind Duk is an important location in its own right and having a strong force there frees up Tellarite ships to defend their homeworld.
(2) would leave the Amarki out of position to act as our central reserve for the opening phase of a war. And if we're going to go for anything like a "keep our forces at the frontiers in a forward defense" posture, we REALLY need a strong central reserve. Otherwise, we're in the position of having constructed a spiderweb of defenses... and then having forgotten the spider!
EDIT: I have edited in all the ideas I've seen so far as 'suggestions' in the post. Right now I'm just hoping people will read and discuss them, and we'll see after the evening's discussion what if anything should be done to create a more satisfactory Plan Epsilon.
The plan I actually created is just me looking at Plan Alpha and making a good faith attempt to implement it. Which does require a few odd curlicues, like us playing "musical chairs" and using Betazoid ships to defend Earth while the Starfleet force defending Earth musters at Vega colony.
Plus the very existence of a "Fourth Fleet" at Tales Har, which is frankly rather unsatisfactory and puny; I just didn't have the ships to spare to strengthen it further without either:
1) Shorting Ord Grind Duk, or
2) Asking the Amarki to move their member fleet up there.
(1) is a bad idea because if the Kadak-Tor IS attacking us it is probably going to go right through Ord Grind Duk on the way to the core Federation worlds, plus Ord Grind Duk is an important location in its own right and having a strong force there frees up Tellarite ships to defend their homeworld.
(2) would leave the Amarki out of position to act as our central reserve for the opening phase of a war. And if we're going to go for anything like a "keep our forces at the frontiers in a forward defense" posture, we REALLY need a strong central reserve. Otherwise, we're in the position of having constructed a spiderweb of defenses... and then having forgotten the spider!
EDIT: I have edited in all the ideas I've seen so far as 'suggestions' in the post. Right now I'm just hoping people will read and discuss them, and we'll see after the evening's discussion what if anything should be done to create a more satisfactory Plan Epsilon.
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It's not bare:
Vega and Klivvar Proxima, the two most vulnerable member worlds, have 2 Constellations, 3 Mirandas, a Centaur-A, and a Soyuz between them. Well enough to fend off a small Sydraxian raiding force, and again if they send a big force we ought to see it coming. Tales Har is more vulnerable, but it can easily be reinforced from Amarkia if we see trouble coming.
But I guess you have a point that's what Plan Alpha is doing.
Vulcan has a starbase providing D5, so even a single ship is enough for D6 (half of D12) requirement.