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Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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They replaced several of the council members with androids.
EDIT: some of these came out way better than others. Fucked up the warbird and excelsior pretty badly.
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Ooh nice drawings (I'll excuse the Excelsior). It consistently amazes me that the Constitution is so small, shorter than the Centaur even if it weights 25% more, yet packs such an amazing punch. The Renaissance also isn't going to be much longer than the Centaur and still weighs the same as a Constitution.
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Some thoughts on the research turn, assuming the new team wins:
Utopia Planitia: Renaissance (duh)
Daystorm Institute: 2320s Mainframe (rushing Colony Cores and +pp tech)
Generic Team 1: 2310s Shipboard Computing (assuming at least 2 points can be earned, finishes off project)
Yoyodyne: 2310s Warp Core Safety (chance to finish Warp Core Damage Failsafe Design II this turn, unlike 40EA team)
40 Eridani A: 2310s Warp (will finish weight reduction tech)
New starbase/construction team: ToC Starship Frames (assumes skill 2 or greater, finishes off project)
Starfleet Medical: Basic ToC Equipment (finishes off project, UoBetazed team needed for Xenopsych)
Vulcan Science Academy: 2310s Short-Range Sensors (got +mapping rolls tech from long range sensors last year, anti-cloaking vital now that the Cardassians got into that game)
Weapons Fabrication Division: Early ToC Weapons (starter tech)
Andorian Academy: 2310s Deflector Shields (finish shield reliability I, unlock Shield Regeneration)
Starfleet Science Academy: 2310s Message Security (information security, unlocks good techs)
Federation Broadcast Service: 2310s Communications (+1 to distress and diplo missions)
San Francisco Fleetyards: Early 24th Century Explorer - Engineering (vital hull reliability if not using test version of the sheet)
Lt-Cdr Kuznetsova's Tiger Team: Lone Ranger Way of the Elephant (+combat/shields when outnumbered)
Admiral Lathriss: Lone Ranger Way of the Giant (+explorer design)
Office of Naval Architecture: Lone Ranger Way of the Anchor (+response rolls)
Games & Theory Division: Cardassian Research (combat bonuses)
Generic Team 2: Klingon Research (admiral bonus, grants free report)
Spock: Early 24th Century External Diplomacy (free non-affiliate roll)
University of Betazed: Early 24th Century Affiliates Research (+crew, +diplo rolls)
Might use some more generic teams if we earn lots of rp this quarter, 21 teams seems fairly safe. Makes no strong assumptions about when we start the Ambassador, but looking at 2311 (can finish Explorer Engineering and Way of the Giant).
Utopia Planitia: Renaissance (duh)
Daystorm Institute: 2320s Mainframe (rushing Colony Cores and +pp tech)
Generic Team 1: 2310s Shipboard Computing (assuming at least 2 points can be earned, finishes off project)
Yoyodyne: 2310s Warp Core Safety (chance to finish Warp Core Damage Failsafe Design II this turn, unlike 40EA team)
40 Eridani A: 2310s Warp (will finish weight reduction tech)
New starbase/construction team: ToC Starship Frames (assumes skill 2 or greater, finishes off project)
Starfleet Medical: Basic ToC Equipment (finishes off project, UoBetazed team needed for Xenopsych)
Vulcan Science Academy: 2310s Short-Range Sensors (got +mapping rolls tech from long range sensors last year, anti-cloaking vital now that the Cardassians got into that game)
Weapons Fabrication Division: Early ToC Weapons (starter tech)
Andorian Academy: 2310s Deflector Shields (finish shield reliability I, unlock Shield Regeneration)
Starfleet Science Academy: 2310s Message Security (information security, unlocks good techs)
Federation Broadcast Service: 2310s Communications (+1 to distress and diplo missions)
San Francisco Fleetyards: Early 24th Century Explorer - Engineering (vital hull reliability if not using test version of the sheet)
Lt-Cdr Kuznetsova's Tiger Team: Lone Ranger Way of the Elephant (+combat/shields when outnumbered)
Admiral Lathriss: Lone Ranger Way of the Giant (+explorer design)
Office of Naval Architecture: Lone Ranger Way of the Anchor (+response rolls)
Games & Theory Division: Cardassian Research (combat bonuses)
Generic Team 2: Klingon Research (admiral bonus, grants free report)
Spock: Early 24th Century External Diplomacy (free non-affiliate roll)
University of Betazed: Early 24th Century Affiliates Research (+crew, +diplo rolls)
Might use some more generic teams if we earn lots of rp this quarter, 21 teams seems fairly safe. Makes no strong assumptions about when we start the Ambassador, but looking at 2311 (can finish Explorer Engineering and Way of the Giant).
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- Patriarchova
The ConnieBee is significantly smaller than the original Constitution. But yeah, the general lack of correlation between the listed lengths and weights baffles me as well.
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Night_stalker
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[X][INTEL] Decline the Resignation (-25pp)
[X][REPAIR] Cancel the planned Constitution-B Build in Utopia Planitia Berth-C (3mt berth) and repair the Courageous there.
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Mix and Match to Fix and Dispatch
[X][REPAIR] Cancel the planned Constitution-B Build in Utopia Planitia Berth-C (3mt berth) and repair the Courageous there.
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Mix and Match to Fix and Dispatch
Are generic research teams actually a thing? They've been discussed, but I haven't seen any actual rules laid down.
As for "when to start the Ambassador", 2311 still seems early. I'd prefer to finish all the T2 Starship Construction, Shields, Sensors, and Warp Technology techs (that are related to building starships). Let's build the next model Explorer with 2310's technology as much as possible.
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- Patriarchova
Anyway, the resolution of the Dawair war and the simultaneous loss of the Courageous, with the war against the Syndicate and the looming threat of Cardassian cloaking technology on the horizon, makes me think this is where season 2 should end.
Yes, Cardassian paper money has spoons on it.
Yes, Cardassian paper money has spoons on it.
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They are intended to be a thing, but the rules weren't finished yet last year.
Finishing all of them isn't feasible or necessary, but as I said the plan makes no strong assumptions so we can take a few extra years if reliability/cost look in need of an improvement in 2311. Waiting just to tick off techs rather than any substantial benefits would be very inadvisable because it means unnecessary extra years with an underpowered main explorer, though.
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lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Can you highlight the changes since last year? I was willing to suffer the time to fully analyze and audit it then, because it was a research revamp, but I don't want to repeat that year after year.
AFAIK, the ConnieBee has the same weight as the Constitution: 1mt. An omake earlier suggested the same weight yet lower stats is explained using less optimal and less dense components, and having the saved space reserved for automation stuff.
Also, it can make sense that lengths and weights aren't fully correlated, due to either the shape (think really narrow ships) or density (like warp core quality or some other technobabble).
Agreed, but the Courageous actually wasn't lost (as in completely destroyed).
I've realized I haven't voted. This probably isn't going to win, but I do want that member world coordination office (MWCO) at the cost of a 1mt berth (hoping coord office can indirectly provide this for a single year before we get 1mt berth next year) and the 20pp tech team (feels inefficient compared to our previous tech team options for hard-to-gauge benefit). Also opting for Yrillians over Qloath, since I think the latter is at less risk of getting involved with Cardassian plots over the next year.
I've come around to giving the Gaeni a chance to look at the Excelsior too. It doesn't make sense to me that we're gaining pp from this, but I won't complain, and it does allow construction of a ConnieBee half a year earlier. I mean, what's the worse that can happen? *cough*
[X][INTEL] Accept the Resignation (+5pp)
[X][REPAIR] Gaeni Manufacturing Coop (+5pp, Gaeni closely study the Excelsior design)
-[X] Delay/cancel a Connie-B in Q4 as necessary to avoid a resource shortfall
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Suffocate Syndicate and Startup MWCO
-[X] Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
-[X] Request Academy Expansion, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] NEW Attempt to muster support for large scale action against the Orion Syndicate, 35pp (Anti-Syndicate actions will occur each turn in Amarkia, Caitian, and Andor Sectors)
--[X] The Yukikaze to be assigned to anti-Syndicate actions for the duration in whatever sector they happen in.
-[X] Add a Member World Coordination Office under Shipyard Ops, 30pp (allow cooperation with member worlds on ship-building priorities as part of Shipyard Ops turn phase)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Seyek
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Yrillians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Bajorans
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Dawiar
153 + 5 + 5 - 20 - 35 - 35 - 30 - 4*10 = 3 pp left over
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Every single thing except the Renaissance, the Lone Ranger techs and Cardassian research. A lot of changes because the previous project finished, some to move teams to a new higher priority, some to accommodate other teams being moved. Would you prefer less efficient research, e. g. by not switching the two warp tech teams to take advantage of a chance to finish a tech, just so it's easier to audit? Or maybe list the previously researched project along with the new? Highlighting the majority of teams wouldn't make much sense.
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Erm. Other than the DS9 technical manual (which makes all ships giant sized for no good reason) the Centaur is reported as being 210m long and that was the scale the Centaur model was built to.
The Constitution on the other hand, is 305m long.
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In this game the Centaur is 315m and the Constitution 289m long.
It kind of sucks that apparently we didn't get any pp for either of the Admirals we picked last turn who are supposed to generate pp. I know that usually happens with yearly income, but when we picked Valentina Sousa she gave us an immediate pp reward as well as adding to income.
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- Patriarchova
According to the Ship Design thread:
The Constitution-B is 289 meters long to the Centaur-A's 315, despite the former being heavier. Those are the numbers I used. I have no plans to flip through a million contradicting tech manuals for this.
EDIT: Lecarre'd.
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It didn't happen for T'Lorel either. Nor did ka'Sharren immediately cost pp to appoint. For Sousa the 20 pp she gave immediately were explicitly listed.
- Location
- Australia
The number of different stated numbers for different ships out there is effing ridiculous. Just plain and simple ridiculous.
As a heads up, between the election and some family health matters, I've got bupkis chance of getting another post up tonight - sorry.
As a heads up, between the election and some family health matters, I've got bupkis chance of getting another post up tonight - sorry.
- Location
- Germany
[X][INTEL] Accept the Resignation (+5pp)
[X][REPAIR] Gaeni Manufacturing Coop (+5pp, Gaeni closely study the Excelsior design)
-[X] Delay/cancel a Connie-B in Q4 as necessary to avoid a resource shortfall
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Rid Ourselves of the Syndicate
-Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
-Request Academy Expansion, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-Attempt to muster support for large scale action against the Orion Syndicate, 35pp (Anti-Syndicate actions will occur each turn in Amarkia, Caitian, and Andor Sectors)
--The Yukikaze to be assigned to anti-Syndicate actions for the duration in whatever sector they happen in.
-Request expansion of Ana Font Shipyard, 10pp (9 with discount) (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth)
-Request focused Diplomacy on Sayek, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Bajorans, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 10pp
- Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp [Starbase Design/Starship Construction]
[X][REPAIR] Gaeni Manufacturing Coop (+5pp, Gaeni closely study the Excelsior design)
-[X] Delay/cancel a Connie-B in Q4 as necessary to avoid a resource shortfall
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Rid Ourselves of the Syndicate
-Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
-Request Academy Expansion, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-Attempt to muster support for large scale action against the Orion Syndicate, 35pp (Anti-Syndicate actions will occur each turn in Amarkia, Caitian, and Andor Sectors)
--The Yukikaze to be assigned to anti-Syndicate actions for the duration in whatever sector they happen in.
-Request expansion of Ana Font Shipyard, 10pp (9 with discount) (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth)
-Request focused Diplomacy on Sayek, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Bajorans, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 10pp
- Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp [Starbase Design/Starship Construction]
[X][INTEL] Accept the Resignation (+5pp)
[X][REPAIR] Gaeni Manufacturing Coop (+5pp, Gaeni closely study the Excelsior design)
-[X] Delay/cancel a Connie-B in Q4 as necessary to avoid a resource shortfall
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Rid Ourselves of the Syndicate
-Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
-Request Academy Expansion, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-Attempt to muster support for large scale action against the Orion Syndicate, 35pp (Anti-Syndicate actions will occur each turn in Amarkia, Caitian, and Andor Sectors)
--The Yukikaze to be assigned to anti-Syndicate actions for the duration in whatever sector they happen in.
-Request expansion of Ana Font Shipyard, 10pp (9 with discount) (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth)
-Request focused Diplomacy on Sayek, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Bajorans, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 10pp
- Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp [Starbase Design/Starship Construction]
[X][REPAIR] Gaeni Manufacturing Coop (+5pp, Gaeni closely study the Excelsior design)
-[X] Delay/cancel a Connie-B in Q4 as necessary to avoid a resource shortfall
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Rid Ourselves of the Syndicate
-Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 20pp
-Request Academy Expansion, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-Attempt to muster support for large scale action against the Orion Syndicate, 35pp (Anti-Syndicate actions will occur each turn in Amarkia, Caitian, and Andor Sectors)
--The Yukikaze to be assigned to anti-Syndicate actions for the duration in whatever sector they happen in.
-Request expansion of Ana Font Shipyard, 10pp (9 with discount) (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth)
-Request focused Diplomacy on Sayek, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Bajorans, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Yrillians, 10pp
-Request focused Diplomacy on Dawiar, 10pp
- Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp [Starbase Design/Starship Construction]
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- Mid-Atlantic
No time at all to talk or think sorry bye
[X] Briefvoice
[X] Briefvoice
Hazards of mobile postingerm...
I think you tagged the wrong person dude??
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| Resignation | Accept | Decline | Accept* | Accept | Accept | Decline | Accept | ||
| Repair Location | UP | UP | UP | Gaeni | UP | Gaeni | |||
| Delay/Cancel or +5pp | Cancel | Cancel | Cancel | 5pp | 5pp/Cancel - resources reason | ||||
| Plan Budget Increase | Keep Our Admiral | Base Plan Border Diplomacy | Plan Boop | Plan Rid Ourselves of the Syndicate | Plan Mix and Match to Fix and Dispatch | Plan Suffocate Syndicate and Startup MWCO | |||
| Category | Cost | AlphaDelta | Synch. Writers Block | Nix | anon_user | BriefVoice | pbluekan | ibmaian | |
| Budget | Request Ongoing Budget increase | 25 | Yes | Yes | |||||
| Budget | Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources | 20 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Budget | Academy Expansion | 35 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | |||
| Diplomacy | Sayek | 10 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Diplomacy | Bajorans | 10 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Diplomacy | Dawiar | 10 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Diplomacy | Qloath | 10 | Yes | Yes | Yes | ||||
| Diplomacy | Yrillians | 10 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | |||
| Tech | new Tech Team - Starbase Design/Starship Construction | 20 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | ||
| Syndicate | Anti-Syndicate coalition | 35 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | |
| Coord Off | Member World Coordination Office | 30 | Yes | Yes | |||||
| Defense | Starbase, CBZ | 18 | Yes | ||||||
| Defense | Berth, Ana Font | 9 | Yes | Yes | |||||
| Total | 140 | 150 | 150 | 150 |
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