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Can't you detect ships approaching at warp? Especially in an empty star system with virtually no planets or asteroids nearby, as that battle was?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Can't you detect ships approaching at warp? Especially in an empty star system with virtually no planets or asteroids nearby, as that battle was?
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And it's a mix of Klingon and Orion technology? What does the Orion part contribute, or does this suggest the Syndicate also has cloaking tech?
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You can easily in normal Star Trek, but warp travel is through subspace rather than normal space in this quest. More like hyper-jumps.
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Most likely the Syndicate got its hands on an outdated Klingon cloaking device, and made a bootleg copy to sell to Cardassia.
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AKuz
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They could have just micro jumped in from out of system after the Ranock contacted them, by the time we detected the signature they were already shooting.
I, of course, explained it by them hiding behind subspace woo.
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Cardassians have science values too, they can pull their own shenanigans 
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Cardassians have science values too, they can pull their own shenanigans
So, what you're saying is that the Gaeni are untouchable gods in combat?
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Because thinking is that it's mostly good for surprise attacks and the Council doesn't want any piece of that. Also Starfleet ships are supposed to be seen.
We might be able to change that by successfully arguing for its usefulness for our actual mission, e. g. surveying pre-warp civilizations and using it for Schroedinger's defence (discourage raids by sowing uncertainty about whether any Starfleet ships are nearby)
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We have a treaty that prevents us from developing cloaks. Which the Federation agreed to largely because it knew that the Klingons and Romulans had a sufficient head start on cloaking tech that they'd never be as good at it anyway (plus, Starfleet has always had much better sensors than anyone else).
However, if this timeline's Cardassians are developing a cloak, we may have to call up the Romulans and try to amend that treaty. Its not good if everyone in the quadrant has cloaks besides us.
aeqnai
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No, actually, we very specifically do not, and if we can defuse the Romulo-Klingon conflict we may never have to sign that blasted thing, in 2311 or ever.
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Then why is it on the banned tech list?
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Actually, the Treaty of Algeron has not been signed yet. It was the end of a Romulan-Federation war that is supposed to errupt in 2311. Considering our current relations, we might have butterfly'd it away. Still want to refrain from developing cloaking until our relationship are better or we get a very convincing argument (for the Romulans and Klingons, not the Fed Council) in form of a Cardassian threat.
Because why would an Explorer want to hide? There are very few peaceful application of cloaking technology. It would also rise tensions significantly as both Romulans and Klingons will become wary.
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If we don't have a treaty banning cloaks, why do Klingon or Romulan opinions on the subject matter?
aeqnai
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Entirely because the Council doesn't want us to build cloaked warships (see: probably our predecessor's fault) and no other reason.
Algalon
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Because it could lead to the very conflict that resulted in the treaty of Algeron, or simply ruin our growing relations with the Romulans as their paranoia strikes again.
Remember that the Klingons aren't our buddies here either. In canon the Enterprise sacrificed itself to safe a Klingon Colony, solidifying the Khitomer accords into a Blood Oath equivalent. It might very well be them who start a war ending in a similar treaty like the one of Algeron.
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I'm just not seeing how our developing a technology that the Klingons and Romulans have both already had for a very long time could be seen as a provocation.
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I guess that's one way to avoid Militarization. Make your warships invisible whenever the Council comes to inspect and claim that you lost those 5,000 BR, SR, and crew to a subspace anomaly.
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The Feds are supposed to be seen as the open and honest power. The other nations to some extent value that they know we'll never sneak in and attack, that we don't build ships meant primarily for assault, that we're not underhanded, even when everyone else is. To show up with cloaks now could well make them feel like they misjudged how trustworthy we are; something about the 'pipe dream' and 'unrealistic, hypocritical ideals' the spoonheads talk about comes to mind.
Controversial (?) option: I don't want to develop cloaking technology and would vote against doing so if it were offered as an option. I don't want to "change that" when it comes to the Council's opinion on cloaking technology.
Sure there are a few limited applications where it would be useful for Starfleet. Limited applications. So limited that I think it's not worth the resources to bother with trying to keep up with he technology. I'd prefer to simply keep our sensors so good that everyone else's Cloaking technology is ineffective.
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Sure there are a few limited applications where it would be useful for Starfleet. Limited applications. So limited that I think it's not worth the resources to bother with trying to keep up with he technology. I'd prefer to simply keep our sensors so good that everyone else's Cloaking technology is ineffective.
Lots of Sector events?
Algalon
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Because they Federation can already match them militarily, even without a cloak. Allowing the Federation to develop cloaking would even the playing field. If you aren't certain of beating the Fed even when you have the advantage of cloaking and they don't, how do your odds of success change when both have cloaking?
You don't want your enemies to grow stronger, especially not by the margin cloaking grants.
The main problem are likely the Romulans and their paranoia. If we can befriend them for real (like it ended happening with the Klingons in canon) we might be able to get it as the Klingons tend to be more busy with internal infighting in peacetime, rather than watching their neighbors.
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Is it because of the 5th FYM or are there just alot of events?Cardassians have science values too, they can pull their own shenanigans
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Yes, they've come back after a couple of quiet turns.