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Should we consider abandoning Felis and concentrate on OSA, Licori, Bolians AND dreamers? I have a feeling that pushing for both tailwards and spinwards is not the best course of action
 
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    • 2324.Q1

    Continuing Diplomatic Push

    Muuyozoi (Outer Space Alliance): 226/300 + 27 = 253/300
    -[Horizon Influence: 282/300]
    -[Corps are lying to us: 100/100]
    -[Disunified Homeworld 200/500]

    Shanpurr: 173/300 + 12 = 185/300
    -[Interfering with Pre-Warp Societies: 0/500]

    Automatic Push:
    Bajoran Diaspora: 300/300
    -[Cardassian Agitators: 100/100]
    -[Suspicious of Outsiders: 70/300] + 28 = 98/300
    -[Caste System: 0/500]
    -[Rule by Vedek: 5/500]


    [X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
    [X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
    [X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
    [X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
    [X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
    [X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)

    [X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)
    [X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program
    [X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)
    [X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)
    [X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)
    [X][TOL] Train with Special Projects (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C6 S5 H4 P2 N8)
    [X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
    [X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
    [X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?


    Two Kepler-class frigate (Starfleet Build Orders NCC-4125, NCC-4126) to commence at San Francisco Fleet Yards Berth 1, 2 in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q3)
    Six Kepler-class frigates (Starfleet Build Orders NCC-4127, NCC-4128, NCC-4129, NCC-4130, NCC-4131, NCC-4132) to commence at Utopia Planitia Berth X, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q3)
    Refit to Centaur-B of USS Lightning (Starfleet Build Order NCC-2105) at Luna Orbital Berth 2 in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q1)
    Two Kepler-class frigates (Starfleet Build Orders NCC-4133, NCC-4134) to commence at Green Hook Fleet Yards Berth 2, 3 in 2324.Q2 (ETC 2326.Q1)
    Refit to Centaur-B of USS Typhoon (Starfleet Build Order NCC-2124) at Oreasa Starfleet Yard Berth 2 in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q1)
    One Kepler-class frigate (Starfleet Build Order NCC-4135) to commence at Xurch Melloch in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2326.Q1)
    Refit to Centaur-B of USS Nairobi (Starfleet Build Order NCC-2110) to commence at Grand Duk in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q1)
    One Kepler-class frigate (Starfleet Build Order NCC-4136) to commence at Rixx Loxhanda Defence Yard in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2326.Q1)

    Two Engineering Ships (Starfleet Build Orders NCC-853, NCC-854) to commence at Andoria Orbital Berths 1, 2 in 2324.Q1 (ETC 2325.Q3)
    One Cargo Ship (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3743) to commence at Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 1 in 2324.Q1



    Member World Coordination Division

    Commenced:

    Amarki - 2 x Anacail (NCC-3818, NCC-3819), 2 x Cargo Ship
    Caitian - 1 Colony Ship, 1 Cargo Ship, 1 Civilian Ship
    Rigel - 1 Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3744)
    Apiata -
    Risa - Refit [Heavy Corvette-A], Refit [Corvette-A], 1 x Civilian Ship
    Gaeni - 1 Refit [Tech-Cruiser-A], 2 x Cargo Ship, 1 x Civilian Ship
    Caldonia - 1 Anlamita (NCC-4414), 2 x Cargo Ship, 1 x Engineering, 1 x Hospital Ship, 1 x Civilian Ship
    Indoria - 1 x Centaur-B (NCC-2150), 1 Prospector, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 x Cargo Ship, Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3745)
    Orion - 1 Engineering Ship, 1 Cargo Ship
    STO - Refit [Sunrise], 1 Kepler (NCC-4124),
    Honiani - 1 Basilica (NCC-5414), 1 Civilian Research Cruiser
    Ked Paddah -
    Licori -
    Licori Nobles - 2 x Refit [Lizard-T], 1 Cargo Ship
    Laio - 1 Patroller-A, 1 Cargo Ship
    Tauni - 1 Cargo Ship, 1 Civilian Ship, 1 Engineering Ship
    Sydraxian - Refit [Kalindrax-R], 1 Hasque
    Ashidi - 1 L7-19 cruiser, 1 Civilian Freighter

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    • I think I missed something. Why is the Horizon Tag on the OSA section crossed out? Its not completed yet is it? I know OOC why we have to get the Bajorans out of Cardassians influence but why are we focusing our automatic diplo pushes on them IC?
     
    Removing the Horizon tag for the OSA especially when it is so close to completion is kind of a gutpunch. Even more so when we were promised that the 300 tag would be the last Horizon influence this kind of just invalidates the whole tag system.

    This whole thing seems like one more delaying action.
     
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    I am surprised and, frankly, disappointed in our GMs, that there was a hidden HoH relationship score that was, as far as I am aware, never hinted at.

    The mechanics changes are for the better though I believe.

    As for some sort of compromise with the HoH, we can let go of Bolians, no problem. Losing OSA would be painful because of how close we are, and because stuff like Beya Wars would almost certainly not survive in the HoH, but we could do without them. Losing the Felis would require that we get the Shanpurr to expand corewards, but more importantly cause... issues between the ISC and HoH.

    We need the Licory though, or our connection to Ked Paddah and beyond will be dangerously thin.

    One thing to keep in mind, Beyond is no longer a tug of war, where for one to progress one has to lose. Which makes it a race now instead.

    Come to think of it, since nations can have multiple allies, does that mean that the HoH will keep on trying even after we ally them?

    I dearly hope not.
     
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    Yeah, this really grates. We would have finished the OSA tag this quarter if the goalposts hadn't been shifted for the second time. Now we're stuck racing the HoH all the way to membership, when we were explicitly promised that wouldn't happen. Ugh.
     
    Night said:
    New ships detected. I've seen Sunrise refit proposals on the wiki but not modified Lizards. Do we have stats?
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    They have the same stats... they just added cloaked devices.

    (ROMULAN INTENSIFIES)

    That's a joke.... but it could be true.

    EDIT: Actually, I'll go all the way.

    PREDICTION

    Massive Romulan-Licori deal. In return for the Arcadian Empire swearing vassalage to the Romulan Star Empire as a sub-kingdom, the Licori have been provided with cloaking technology. You lose, Federation/HoH!
     
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    Guys, what is surprising that the Horizon has a relation with the races they are diplomancing? And what is surprising that our diplomats didn't get shown a score card?
     
    MTB said:
    Guys, what is surprising that the Horizon has a relation with the races they are diplomancing? And what is surprising that our diplomats didn't get shown a score card?
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    It's not surprising, but it is a violation of the explicit promise that there was an endgame and we wouldn't have to race the HoH all the way to membership. I get it; sometimes GMs have to break promises when things just don't work out mechanically/narratively. But it does burn a little.
     
    Wouldn't it be more reasonable to convert the progress on 'Horizon Influence' into decreasing Horizon relationship or increased Federation Relations or progress on something?
     
    Iron Wolf said:
    The Horizon Influence tag progress didn't just go "poof". It had an effect on the final Harmony relations score.
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    Doesn't seem like it had much of an effect. The Licori and Bolians are a bit hard to judge so lets compare the two races we've primarily been fighting over; the OSA and Felis:
    League of Independent Felis Colonies 100/300
    -[Horizon Influence 154/300]

    Outer Space Alliance: 210/300
    -[Horizon Influence: 282/300]​
    So the OSA have almost double the progress on their Influence Tag (+128) but if we look at their respective relations with Harmony:
    OSA: Harmony relations now 185/300
    Felis: Harmony relations now 200/300​
    The OSA is only 15pts behind the Felis. A 128pt difference, or about 32 ship-quarters, resulting in a 15pt difference tells me either there was no effect or it was so small it might as well not exist.
     
    Iron Wolf said:
    The Horizon Influence tag progress didn't just go "poof". It had an effect on the final Harmony relations score.
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    At least for me, it's infuriating because I thought the fact we were positive on the influence bar meant we were ahead. When it went negative briefly with the Felis I figured that meant they were ahead, and then we pulled back. Now to find out we were in fact well behind in many cases is extremely frustrating because it came out of nowhere. Plus as I've said previously, this is the second time you've changed the threshold for when the Horizon gives up, right before we were about to reach it with one faction. So yeah, I'm not a fan.
     
    UberJJK said:
    Doesn't seem like it had much of an effect. The Licori and Bolians are a bit hard to judge so lets compare the two races we've primarily been fighting over; the OSA and Felis:
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    I guess the Harmony was just outplaying us at every turn and we didn't realize it. Which makes sense because they've always been devoting more forces there.
     
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