Doesn't seem like it had much of an effect. The Licori and Bolians are a bit hard to judge so lets compare the two races we've primarily been fighting over; the OSA and Felis:
League of Independent Felis Colonies 100/300
-[Horizon Influence 154/300]

Outer Space Alliance: 210/300
-[Horizon Influence: 282/300]​
So the OSA have almost double the progress on their Influence Tag (+128) but if we look at their respective relations with Harmony:
OSA: Harmony relations now 185/300
Felis: Harmony relations now 200/300​
The OSA is only 15pts behind the Felis. A 128pt difference, or about 32 ship-quarters, resulting in a 15pt difference tells me either there was no effect or it was so small it might as well not exist.
Horizon got a special bonus with the OSA due to certain guarantees made during the Coreward Border War. Otherwise the value would be much lower.

E: also, Felis relations takes into account their progress made against the ISC as well.
 
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At deployment the OSA tag was:
Outer Space Alliance: 210/300
At the TF log:
OSA: Harmony relations now 185/300, UFP relations now 236/300

At the shipyard result post:
Muuyozoi (Outer Space Alliance): 226/300 + 27 = 253/300
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)

Are the +16 added to the 253 to make the final reputation 269?
and the reps at the shipyard post is 10 lower then at the TF log is this correct?
 
RESULTS
OSA: Harmony relations now 185/300, UFP relations now 236/300
Felis: Harmony relations now 200/300, UFP relations now 108/300
Bolians: Harmony relations now 100/100, 7/100 on their isolationist government tag. UFP 100/100, 27/100 on Isolationist government.
Licori: Harmony Relations 100/100, UFP relations 81/100.

Yeah, I'm really leaning towards the P10-Refit Rennie proposals. I don't really care anymore that we'd have to take Rennies off the line to Refit them, we can just build more to replace them.
 
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In hopes of cheering the thread up a bit, I present early modelling work on @Ato's Comet design:

Most of the detail work so far has gone into the nacelles, hence the close-up on those.

(Edit: click to see at better quality)
 
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In hopes of cheering the thread up a bit, I present early modelling work on @Ato's Comet design:

Most of the detail work so far has gone into the nacelles, hence the close-up on those.

(Edit: click to see at better quality)
I do like this. Iz good! :)


They have the same stats... they just added cloaked devices.

(ROMULAN INTENSIFIES)

That's a joke.... but it could be true.

EDIT: Actually, I'll go all the way.

PREDICTION

Massive Romulan-Licori deal. In return for the Arcadian Empire swearing vassalage to the Romulan Star Empire as a sub-kingdom, the Licori have been provided with cloaking technology. You lose, Federation/HoH!
I've been contemplating that the Licori might try to covertly obtain, or re-invent, the cloaking device for about the past ten years of game time...

As a technophilic species, I suspect they want that very much, to the point where two of the last three Licori omakes I wrote actually make reference to it.



So since we cant go for the licori, can we shift beyonds focus to osa and felis?
The Licori ban may be temporary; I'm sure the commander on the spot will do their best.

Removing the Horizon tag for the OSA especially when it is so close to completion is kind of a gutpunch. Even more so when we were promised that the 300 tag would be the last Horizon influence this kind of just invalidates the whole tag system.

This whole thing seems like one more delaying action.
I'm... kind of inclined to agree, not necessarily specifically with this, but that a very large amount of sunk cost went into dealing with those [Harmony Influence] tags and it's not at all clear whether any of that effort still exists. It may not actually be the case that the contributions and efforts of our ships in the past got retconned out of existence , but it looks like that, which really hurts.

It's not surprising, but it is a violation of the explicit promise that there was an endgame and we wouldn't have to race the HoH all the way to membership. I get it; sometimes GMs have to break promises when things just don't work out mechanically/narratively. But it does burn a little.
Yeh.

The Horizon Influence tag progress didn't just go "poof". It had an effect on the final Harmony relations score.
Oh? Would you mind going into detail on how that worked? I know you normally like to keep mechanics like this a bit opaque, but right now people are a bit unhappy about the idea that our ships' previous effort to buy down those [Harmony Influence] tags was a complete waste of time, so explaining in detail just what happened to all that work would probably help.

E: also, Felis relations takes into account their progress made against the ISC as well.
Er, could you expand on what you mean by this? Does the Harmony get a bonus to its relations (and effectively its ability to stop them joining us) because of its interactions with the ISC? What's the ISC's relations with the Felis; do they have anything to show for their sizeable commitment of ships whose Presence stat is, if not stunning, at least not low?
 
Dat first image! The Comet is really channeling the Miranda there.



Really like the front and side profiles of the Comet. It's aggressive but also recognizably Starfleet.
I am still not sold on deflector above the saucer but this design is quite nice. It gives a vibe of "I am a fast ship built to go in harm's way."
 
I am still not sold on deflector above the saucer but this design is quite nice. It gives a vibe of "I am a fast ship built to go in harm's way."
While that might be the deflector (I'm not convinced, it looks a bit small), that box-on-top is the 'Miranda Rollbar' External Science Sensor Module, without which the Comet is navigationally blind. So the Comet inherits more than just the front profile from the Miranda.
 
When does the Comet prototype finish construction? Or more accurately when does the Comet production begin in earnest?
 
@Iron Wolf
Can we get some clarifications about stuff?
1. If we affiliate, for example the Licori, and then the HoH do so as well does the income we get from them drop? Same question for alliances.
2. Are we able to have mutual allies with the ISC ?
3. If we and the HoH are allies with, for example the OSA, and then we get them to become members what happens with their alliance with the HoH? Does it disappear? Gets changed into some form of NAP? Do they keep affiliation at least? Same in reverse.
4. Are we able to reduce the HoH relations score? Not just increase ours, but actively reduce theirs. For example uncover some of their underhanded tactics/past misdeeds. Seems like it should be a result of a very good roll from a task force.

The new system makes sense, but still feels like a downer.
 
So I guess the answer to how many we are going to build is all of them?

Bearing in mind that is forward looking by several years, so the accuracy is ... meh.

2325Q2 - USS Comet completes builder trials and is released to the Starfleet general service starting Q3. The plans are distributed across the Federation.
2325Q3-2326Q1 - 24 Comet class hull begin construction (combination of as soon as the plans arrive (2325Q3) and when the Council coughs up the annual budget (2326Q1)

By 2330, the projections are currently for 35 Comet class frigates in Starfleet service.
 
I'd like to point out that builds are always in-flux.

We have Rennie & Amby Refits and we will be laying down the prototype for our dedicated Diplomatic/Presence Cruiser at some point. And there will always be surprises.

What we really need is a massive wave of Rennie-P or Prepler production at thus point.

We don't have that many Keplers so P-Keplers would have to be 2.25yr new-builds. We have enough Rennies that we can afford to pull 6-10 off the line for 1yr P-Refits.
 
I think the P-Rennie is better also because as a cruiser it can anchor a TF at need.

P-Rennie..... Prinny Dood!!
 
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