Sure, it can be glossed over *now*. But in a century or two (assuming they don't get gobbled up by the Ashalla Pact), when they get into space and hear about the Federation and Starfleet, some historian is going to connect the dots and start accusing us of stealing their natural resources or something.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
"Lieutenant, over there is a beautiful alien, and for the good of the service you have to bone her senseless." "Yes sir!" "And Lieutenant? Make it so."
I wonder how much cultural contamination it even is for a ~1940s civilization to learn about existence of aliens. Would certainly raise an interest in space, at least.
I am sure Starfleet a century or two from now can take care of it.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Planet Killer research colony: 0.01 Neutronium/Year, 0.01 RP/Year. "Sure, it can destroy planets, but for anything else it's completely useless."
Interesting. Similar to the space station stuck in a black hole, this looks like a candidate for a future TF.
- Location
- Austria
They'll probably still be strapped for Task Forces and it will be yet another minor headache for fleet deployment plans.
- Location
- Germany
- Pronouns
- He/Him
"The bleedover from timelines 2,3 and 4532 is getting dangerous. We need another task force immediately."
<Sigh>
It's got my vote.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
They didn't merely destabilize subspace in that area, they DESTROYED it completely. And there is only one thing that can destroy subspace. The one thing which overrides even the Prime Directive.
An Omega molecule.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
And my axe!
Also my vote too.
Potentially a LOT, because they're actually advanced enough to do something about it. For a bunch of Bronze Age aliens, it's just one more set of weird mythological gods or demons for them to believe in; as long as the alien outsiders don't actively and deliberately interfere in the culture things will probably look more or less the way they would have most of the time. Things would tend to average out.
But a 1940s culture has a clear idea of what they're dealing with, and will start taking immediate, specific, directed policy steps to do something about it. That will change things.
They're pre-warp. We don't have relations with them, we have damage control.
Leslie:
"We did not have this problem back in the day. Not to say that we didn't have it, but we didn't have a problem. Hell, it was the '60s."
[shrugs]
Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
I know, misquoting SFDebris should be a capital offense in this thread. In my defense, I didn't have time to go diving late-era Voyager reviews.
Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
Are you dismissing the ability to build a planet-killing antiproton gun as a feat of engineering here? Because that's what it looks like and I have a horde of angry Starfleet Corps of Engineers types here I'm trying to hold back!
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
- Location
- ᓚᘏᗢ
I think he may be dismissing ability to learn how to quickly and efficiently dismantle planet-killing antiproton gun coated in armor that laughs at anything we can throw at it, still.
And dismissing ability to get some nice neutronium-laced dumbbells, too.
Night
Widow Null
- Location
- Hoff
I actually did notice! And thanks.
Though I probably need to switch some words around by this point to account for the advancing canon.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
And if we get more shit for success then what is the point of succeeding? When outcome of having more ships = more chance of critfail then solution is have less ships... which kinda make all our effort pointless.
Snakepit Talk
So we're at 384pp right now. We might or might no get some pp for meeting Council Defense/Science goals. (It might be applied next year.) Here are some thoughts.
384pp (maybe more)
chen bonus: -1 Qtr (total) for parallel builds at shipyards without an HIP, 25% pp discount for anything built in STO space.
369.25 (14.75 left)
Not sure if we meet the Starfleet Ambition or not... we keep creating new Border Zones to put a Starbase in!
Colony Descriptions
So we're at 384pp right now. We might or might no get some pp for meeting Council Defense/Science goals. (It might be applied next year.) Here are some thoughts.
384pp (maybe more)
chen bonus: -1 Qtr (total) for parallel builds at shipyards without an HIP, 25% pp discount for anything built in STO space.
- Request Mining Colony 77 Azzadi IV-3, 7pp, 20 (40) sr/year, 4 turns
- Request Mining Colony 17 Onidesin IV, 7pp, 20 (40) sr/year, 4 turns
- Request Research Colony Galoria Delta-LXIg, 6pp, 5 (9) rp/year, 4 turns
- Request Research Colony Barradus IV, 6pp, 6 (10) rp/year, 4 turns
- Request Mining Colony Sarcissa Belt,7pp, 15 (30) BR/year, 4 turns 7*.75 = 5.25pp
- Request development of Utopia Planitia, 36pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
- Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at <Arqueniou>, 60pp* .75 = 45pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth)
- Request new Starbase I [Seyek-Cardassian Border Zone - Hacitorus] 20pp, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector - GBZ Invalid (5pp cheaper for HBZ or LBZ this year) 20 * .75 = 15pp
- Request new Starbase I [Ferasa Sector - Risa] 32pp
- Sponsor efforts for a Major Shipyard Preparations to pave the way for a Utopia Planitia style shipyard, 4 turns, 110pp
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to five times]
369.25 (14.75 left)
Not sure if we meet the Starfleet Ambition or not... we keep creating new Border Zones to put a Starbase in!
Colony Descriptions
77 Azzadi IV-3 20 (40) SR/year
Located spin-corewards corner of -1f. (Well towards Federation side of Adrazzi Gulf.)
Description: Deposit of Icurium ores on the third moon of 77 Azzadi IV. Like at the Castor IV-2 vein, strong magma convection currents pull the ores towards the surface, then back down.
Analysis: Not the most forward-leaning of potential Adrazzi Gulf claims.
17 Onidesin IV, 20 (40) sr/year
Located -2g, tailwards.
Description: An exploitable vein of Woninium on 17 Onidesin IV, about half a kilometer under the planetary ocean's surface. A mining colony here would be only a modest technical challenge.
Analysis: Would be a strategically valuable midpoint between Federation and Cardassian territory.
Galoria Delta-LXIg, 5 (9) rp per year.
Located in -4f, near Hajatar. (Near the Adrazzi Gulf, at Spinwards end of Straits of Themis.)
Description: This is a fascinating system [nearly three hundred separate planetoid or larger stellar bodies, of which at least one is a full M-class world, three are capable of supporting life and another five rate a solid .8 on the terraformability scale]. Just the stellar mechanics of its formation alone could keep an entire university department busy for the next sixty years, nevermind everything else [the atmosphere of Galoria Delta-LXIg contains a form of silicon based pseudo-prion capable of bypassing standard Starfleet filters].
Analysis: This would actually be a decently strategic place to put a colony.
Barradus IV 6 (10) rp/year)
Located in -2B. (On border between Vulcan sector and RBZ.)
Descripton: Inhabited by Bropal, a splinter Vulcan culture that have perfected mind-meld and katra-manipulating techniques that allow them to preserve the identities of the long dead in the form of...exchangeable personality fragments. They have an ancient computer backup facility that retains knowledge of the entire state of the Vulcans' known galaxy at the time of the exodus.
Analysis: The Vulcans really want this information, but can only get it when Starfleet builds the colony. Building it might even earn a little political goodwill or pp rebate.
Sarcissa Belt, 15 (30) BR/year
Located in bottom-left corner of -4f
Description: Tritanium deposits in planetary debris field (in Rethelia sector, near border with Cardassian-controlled Bajoran space).
Analysis: Mining colony in the Cardassian border area.
Located spin-corewards corner of -1f. (Well towards Federation side of Adrazzi Gulf.)
Description: Deposit of Icurium ores on the third moon of 77 Azzadi IV. Like at the Castor IV-2 vein, strong magma convection currents pull the ores towards the surface, then back down.
Analysis: Not the most forward-leaning of potential Adrazzi Gulf claims.
17 Onidesin IV, 20 (40) sr/year
Located -2g, tailwards.
Description: An exploitable vein of Woninium on 17 Onidesin IV, about half a kilometer under the planetary ocean's surface. A mining colony here would be only a modest technical challenge.
Analysis: Would be a strategically valuable midpoint between Federation and Cardassian territory.
Galoria Delta-LXIg, 5 (9) rp per year.
Located in -4f, near Hajatar. (Near the Adrazzi Gulf, at Spinwards end of Straits of Themis.)
Description: This is a fascinating system [nearly three hundred separate planetoid or larger stellar bodies, of which at least one is a full M-class world, three are capable of supporting life and another five rate a solid .8 on the terraformability scale]. Just the stellar mechanics of its formation alone could keep an entire university department busy for the next sixty years, nevermind everything else [the atmosphere of Galoria Delta-LXIg contains a form of silicon based pseudo-prion capable of bypassing standard Starfleet filters].
Analysis: This would actually be a decently strategic place to put a colony.
Barradus IV 6 (10) rp/year)
Located in -2B. (On border between Vulcan sector and RBZ.)
Descripton: Inhabited by Bropal, a splinter Vulcan culture that have perfected mind-meld and katra-manipulating techniques that allow them to preserve the identities of the long dead in the form of...exchangeable personality fragments. They have an ancient computer backup facility that retains knowledge of the entire state of the Vulcans' known galaxy at the time of the exodus.
Analysis: The Vulcans really want this information, but can only get it when Starfleet builds the colony. Building it might even earn a little political goodwill or pp rebate.
Sarcissa Belt, 15 (30) BR/year
Located in bottom-left corner of -4f
Description: Tritanium deposits in planetary debris field (in Rethelia sector, near border with Cardassian-controlled Bajoran space).
Analysis: Mining colony in the Cardassian border area.
- Location
- Ohio
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Slight question on your plan, but who would we get the focused Diplomacy on?
Can we declare a rimward border zone(i think that would include Risa) and build the risa starbase as the first starbase in that borderzone?
Does the rimward border zone include ruby eyes folly if it does we even have a decent fleet for the new BZ.
al103
Grumpy Russian Bear (SV edition)
- Location
- Russia, Krasnoyarsk
Critpass is just nice. Critfail can result in crisis.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Depending on how the TFs work out...
1) Bajorans. This would get us most of the way towards clearing their tag and Allying them. Very useful for keeping an eye on Cardassians excesses. Would replace them with Allupti if we can push them and TF doesn't touch their base Relations.
2) OSA: Push would almost certainly make them hit Ally this year. Useful for firming up the frontier. Would replace with Ur'azzi if TF doesn't work on their base relations.
3) Licori: Basically mandatory. If we get very lucky we'll get a random roll and can Affiliate them before the Roms take over.
4) Bolians: Also almost Mandatory to clear their Isolationist Government tag. Fucking Horizon almost certainly got to them first but o well.
5) Dreamers: One push affiliates them and gets most of the way towards 300.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
- Location
- Liberl Zemuria.
Works for me. Briefvoice has my vote for the snakepit when its time