[X][TOL] Train with Irregular Ops (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C5 S5 H4 P3 N8)

[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)

[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program

[X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)

[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)

[X ][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

[X][OCTO] Do not arrange the transfer. (Gaen scraps the two Tech-Frigates)
 
This was admittedly a tough vote to think about, so I'm at least thinking on this to go with. I'm honestly thinking the SEES might be a good option since it would help in terms of picking up the O/E/T throughput for just a one-time thing of 15rp.

As was pointed out earlier, that income increase amounts to literally 3 extra people per year, and we're budget-restricted on RP right now.

Your total RP expenditures amount to 385, meaning we need at least 135rp from Events in Captain's logs in the next two quarters or we'll have to deactivate some teams.

Granted, not activating some generic teams is probably okay.
 
For all those that really want Maiden of Dawn, I ask you to not forget about rp costs. Our current vote spends 395 rp, which means there's a good chance that we have to turn off some of the teams during research vote. Please, vote against some of the current winning rp options - vote for Tauni Con-B transfer to not spend RP on Vermilions, just no for others. Currently, Vermilion transfer is least in lead.
 
I think there is one or two teams we need to boost each year till 2328 if we want to start a new generation of ships that year. But the generic teams working on improved frames for explorers can be deactivated for a year as we are not planning an explorer before 2330.
We might get 2 new teams from our new members so might need 15 rp more
 
[X][TOL] Train with Irregular Ops (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C5 S5 H4 P3 N8)

[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program

[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)
[X][RELIEF] Do not approve the program

I also agree with Forgo's assessment on the Licori sale.

[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to House Rithe of the Arcadian Empire (+50 br, +40 sr, -20 pp, +29 relations with Licori, +21 on [Horizon Influence] tag on Licori, -75 relations with OSA)
 
Alright, how much RP do we use each year on our research? We currently have 48 research teams, costing 7.5rp to activate each. That's 360rp. Additionally, we have five Boosts, each costing 10rp each. The total is 410rp. Less than that, and we'll have to cut something, which is, uh, not an activity we want to do. Especially since the research tree might be changed again next time it comes up, so there's no predicting which research teams it might be ok-ish to deactivate. Every single boost is often the difference between a tech slide completing a year earlier, and while two of our Generic Teams are only making some slow progress on large and unimportant Explorer Design research, if there are new changes we might have some very useful positions for them too. So, we could maybe come up 15rp short and not be much hurt by it in the short-ish term. (Long term, our generic teams should be leveling up to skill 2 teams in 2328 and then skill 3 in 2332, and we obviously can't predict that far ahead.)

I won't lie and say that if we have to deactivate a few teams it'll be really bad, but the problem comes if we start being short of rp for multiple years. If we deactivate, as an easy-to-calculate example, Tellar Prime Academy of Mineral Science and the 2330s Special Refining that's supposed to finish this year, it's not the end of the world. That should give +5sr from our sr mining colonies, and since we have, uh, 17 of those, we'd lose out on 85sr. But if we delay that for 5 years, then it becomes 425sr. (On second thought, this might be too high impact that it wouldn't even be considered. Gah!)

And that's just an easily-demonstratable example. How do you calculate the impact of five years of not completing 2320s Special Surveying this year and missing the bonus of (Non-Explorers Gain +1 to Mapping Missions)? Delay it for five years and that's a few mapping missions we'll have failed. Or what about putting something more long-term on the backburner, like Basic Modern Tricorder? It won't be finished till 2328 or 2329, but the (+1 S on Missions requiring away teams) could be the difference in some critical away-missions six years from now. My point is, it's hard enough figuring out some what to choose to go for, but choosing what tech teams we'll need to deactivate or what tech slides to delay if we end up 30rp or more short is even harder.

Alright, that's enough filler words, time to vote.

[X][TOL] Train with Special Projects (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C6 S5 H4 P2 N8)

A bigger C score will help reduce fatalities.

[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)

All the options that don't cost rp, except one.
And no, if you look at the numbers you're wrong. A push averages in the high 20s, a continuing push + yearly roll 140-150. The Licori option is 50 relationship points, or slightly under 2 pushes for a non-affiliate. The OSA would stand to lose 60 points if the popular vote goes through, or less than half a push. So I'm trading 2 pushes for half of one, and a chance to affiliate someone this year. Relax.

I don't care how the numbers work out, loosing 75 relations with someone is really not ok. Even if we can regain the numbers back easily, that represents some really bad ill-will.

[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program

Little Queenships are better statwise. The real deal here is the costs saved be making a refit instead of building a new ship. Unfortunately, we can't afford the rp for the program. Sorry!

[X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)

We have, (AS USUAL,) an unconfirmed discord info from only one of our QMs that this may be avaliable next year. Even if so, that's just kicking the 200rp cost till next year, and I very much doubt our chances that next year the options will be more merciful to our rp budget. Fluff-wise, even if this gave us 0pp, we're very much obligated to do this. So there.

[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)

Even if this didn't count as a research colony, fluff-wise we're very much obligated to do this. Maiden of Dawn has been exploring for longer than the Federation was even a thing. So there.

[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)

The option that costs less rp even if it maybe means the Laian's new explorer might not be as impressive stat-wise as it could be.

[X][OCTO] Do not arrange the transfer. (Gaen scraps the two Tech-Frigates)

Again, the one that costs less rp. The 35rp of these last two choices, and the additional 55rp we could spend in the Connie-B 1 section, are all put together an additional 90rp worth of items that really are skippable.

That's... 84.5 rp short of what we need? So I think from what Briefvoice daid it's within the range of expected rp income from events. Hopefully. I don't want to bet an inch further than what we need to.

Edit: I forgot to mention this, but we never want to end up so short of rp that we might be considering deactivating one of our shipbuilding-related research teams. In that case, the SDB might destroy us all. So, please don't spend too much rp, especially since any rp debt we end up with will carry over to next year.
 
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As was pointed out earlier, that income increase amounts to literally 3 extra people per year, and we're budget-restricted on RP right now.

Your total RP expenditures amount to 385, meaning we need at least 135rp from Events in Captain's logs in the next two quarters or we'll have to deactivate some teams.

Granted, not activating some generic teams is probably okay.

It doesn't. 0.02 OET is *nothing*.

I can see the arguments and I'll cut the Connie SEES conversion then.
 
I was actually wondering if there would be more discussion/debate in the thread about some of the mission details Pavel discussed with our PC.
We're throwing as much support his way as possible; all we can do at this point is try to find ways to divert Cardassian attention elsewhere. Fortunately, the number of member starships being mustered to support Starfleet operations has increased dramatically, which should be very attention-grabbing.
 
Even if this didn't count as a research colony, fluff-wise we're very much obligated to do this. Maiden of Dawn has been exploring for longer than the Federation was even a thing. So there.

This is a very interesting point. Once rebuilt would it be possible to designate her as an honorary EC ship? The Maiden represents what the EC is all about.
 
Ok, I'll got back and drop Vermillion Gaeni tech cruisers.

I also want the Magen Chalal to build a Kepler scout now- their scout (and everything else) Frigate is the C3S2H2L4P1D2 Orah. They could start one next quarter, the Aggadah and Orah refits can't start until 2325-tech. If you agree, you can add this-

[][PRIORITY] Magen Chalal short-term to build a Kepler (push others back a slot)
 
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And that's just an easily-demonstratable example. How do you calculate the impact of five years of not completing 2320s Special Surveying this year and missing the bonus of (Non-Explorers Gain +1 to Mapping Missions)? Delay it for five years and that's a few mapping missions we'll have failed. Or what about putting something more long-term on the backburner, like Basic Modern Tricorder? It won't be finished till 2328 or 2329, but the (+1 S on Missions requiring away teams) could be the difference in some critical away-missions six years from now. My point is, it's hard enough figuring out some what to choose to go for, but choosing what tech teams we'll need to deactivate or what tech slides to delay if we end up 50rp or more short is even harder.

People should also remember that we are going to pick up at least 2, possibly 3-4 tech teams this year. So our RP requirements will go *up*, not down. And we will want those new teams. At least one of them is likely to be a personal tech team that I know you in particular want, for example.

I don't care how the numbers work out, loosing 75 relations with someone is really not ok. Even if we can regain the numbers back easily, that represents some really bad ill-will.

Saying "I don't care how the numbers work out" then making an argument based on numbers is... hmm... interesting. But OK, you do you. In that vein, I'll argue that +50 relations is a significant increase and warms the Licori to us significantly in ways that will allow us to bring them in closer and start making societal changes (as well as cut off the Romulans from causing problems).

I consider it very important that we get the Licori on-side as soon as possible in light of this report.

However, I am growing gravely concerned about their degree of influence over Arcadian Empire figures. Developing a close alliance with a defeated foe may have always been a difficult ask, but if something is not done we may need to decide if we'd prefer a Harmony or Romulan dominated Morshadd.

With regards to the neighbouring Arcadian empire, while the Romulan base in Licori space continues to be in the middle and merchant class, the Romulan diplomatic corps has taken advantage of recent unrest and mobilization to seek greater ties to the Licori noble and Imperial houses.

While Romulan influence amongst the nobility is still limited compared to our own, the Romulans have no compunction about dealing with the Licori military complex which gives them an advantage that the FDS lacks. In fact, several very recent advances in Licori infantry and security kit seem to be licensed imitations of Romulan military equipment, likely part of deal that has allowed the Romulans to commission the creation a great deal of militarily relevant equipment from Licori foundries for their own war effort.

I really don't think that the Romulans having the opportunity to get even cosier with the Licori is a good thing. They are almost certainly unlikely to make conditions better for the Licori population like we could.
 
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[ ][CONNIE] Transfer one to House Rithe of the Arcadian Empire (+50 br, +40 sr, -20 pp, +29 relations with Licori, +21 on [Horizon Influence] tag on Licori, -75 relations with OSA)
can someone please tell me what the pros of this are?

sure we get a boots in diplomacy with the licori but it cuts hard into the same diplomatic edge with the OSA
 
boots in diplomacy with the licori but it cuts hard into the same diplomatic edge with the OSA

Licori are not affiliates and are possibly getting heavily influenced by the Romulans. OSA are affiliates. Giving this over speeds up us bringing the Licori in, which is good strategically and good for the Licori people because we are much more likely to give a shit about the suffering from slavery and feudal overlords.

i`m not worried about slowing down a team or 2 if it can get me a stepping stone ship with working AI

... this is not an empire quest. An AI ship will give us (rather, an affiliate) a cool unique vessel. It will not turn into an AI for us. The GMs do not let us get sudden jumps in technology like that, nor do they change the tone of the quest with tech like that.
 
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[X][TOL] Train with Irregular Ops (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C5 S5 H4 P3 N8)
Seems like a well-balanced option.

[X][PRIORITY] Star-Kin long-term to Refits / Replacements
[X][PRIORITY] Indorian short-term to Build Renaissance-A (next year).
[X][PRIORITY] Anyone interested in some Starfleet BR for your SR?

[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
Seems fine to me.
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
Yeah, they can have them on loan, I don't see why not.
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
They need to learn how to operate mid-range ships, so I'm good with this.
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
Very much yes, the Tauni desperately need hulls. Actually though, I think Cheron might be an even better fit for them, but that's not an option.
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
Risky, but relations with Yrillia are on the up.
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)
Let's help out the OSA a bit. Half their fleet has still gone rogue, and the PCSB are good people, unlike the Corps.
In total, this sells of 8 of the Constitution-B hulls. I'm hoping we can keep handing them off, I'd like to get the Vermillions one, but we have RP issues.
[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program
??? They have the resources to build a Light Queenship every year for like 14 years? They don't need this.
[X][RELIEF] Do not approve the program
Apparently we can probably take this another year, but can't take Maiden of Dawn, so I'm cutting this from my vote. I would recommend other people do so as well.
[X][OCTO] Arrange for the transfer of two Tech-Frigates to the Vermillion Connectivity (-10 rp to ensure the safety of the Tech-Frigates' warp cores, +5 on [Obsolete Technology] tag on Vermillion Connectivity)
Costs RP, but let's get them the tech frigates this year. Otherwise they'll be scrapped, unlike the Constitutions. That can presumably be given over in the future. Plus, the Constitution option is more expensive.
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)
Hm. Well, I'd prefer the Excelsior-A, honestly, as a ship, but this is cheaper on RP, and helps tie the Laio and OSA together. Hopefully this will help them to reconcile.
[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)
This cuts RP cost down to 160, which is much better. It does, however, result in us not getting the relief program this year, which is a major issue. On the whole, however, I'm of the conviction that getting one-off RP sinks is better in this case than skipping them in favor of (an important and thematic) thing that can be repeated.
As other people have said, it's a Chekov joke that he claims everything originated in Russia even when it's blatantly not true.
Not just Chekov by the way. I have family members that do this.
Slightly off topic but I believe whoever last edited the STO's wiki entry goofed slightly.
Sarqel Treaty Organization - To Boldly Go
Name, Class, Registry, Commissioned
SFS Sign of Rethelia, Sunrise, NCC-4801 2319.Q1
HMFS Mark of Fiiral, Sunrise, NCC-4802
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Rethelia was commissioned in 2300 and the Fiiral in 2319.
Sigh, you're right. Time to go fix that.
 
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[ ][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)
This will cost us 2x50RP

[ ][LAIO] Transfer the technical design package for the Excelsior-A design to the Laio. (-75 rp; -25 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2325.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; Laio will build a 2.5mt berth at Laian starting in 2327.Q1)
This is 75RP and will give them a better ship when in a few years the Excelsior-B is ready for use.
But to afford that we need to wait and take [ ][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp) next year.
That will also leave us with enough RP to run our research this year.
 
Still going to point out that, efficiency wise, a Licori transfer basically affiliates them with a push instead of requiring two pushes, at the cost of a half-push on the OSA. In exchange for a rapidly becoming obsolete cruiser that will be eclipsed by the Rennie-A in a few years and will be next to worthless in comparison to it's crew cost in 5.

In exchange for arming House Rithe, yes.

Like, if this was arming the Imperial House I could understand it. Not support it, mind you, but understand it, because while Lugis is a bastard he's our bastard. But everything we've learned about them suggests that Rithe are scum who have built their power base on some of the worst of Kortennon's abuses and I severely doubt they'd use the Connie in a way we'd approve of.
 
[X ][TOL] Train with Irregular Ops (Caldonian spec ops teams will have C5 S5 H4 P3 N8)

[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Orion Union Navy. Will require temporary transfer of 3.5 points of Technician crew, to come from federalized member fleets. (-2 pp to set up the transfer program)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy
[X][CONNIE] Transfer two to the Magen Chalal of the Ked Paddah
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Tauni Space Gate Command (-3 pp, +5 relations with Tauni)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Yrillian navy (-5 pp, +8 relations with Yrillia)
[X][CONNIE] Transfer one to the Preservation Coalition Space Bureau of the OSA (-10 pp, +16 relations with Outer Space Alliance)

[X][BEE] Do not support the conversion program
[X][RELIEF] Approve the program (-200 rp, +40 pp)
[X][MAIDEN] Build a new cruiser around Maiden of Dawn's computer for the Orion Union Navy. (-100 rp, -35 br, -25 sr, Orion Union Navy gains a new custom cruiser (statline C3 S5 H2 L3 P3 D4, crew cost 2/3/3) in 2327.Q1), Maiden of Dawn acts as new research colony while operational (base of 5 rp/year)
[X][LAIO] Provide technical support in adapting the OSA's Ray-class design to Laian needs and capabilities. (-50 rp each year for two years; -20 pp to reserve Honiani 4mt berth in 2326.Q1 for construction of the new Odanner; gain intelligence report on the Ray; Laio will build a 2mt berth at Laian starting in 2326.Q1)
[X][OCTO] Do not arrange the transfer. (Gaen scraps the two Tech-Frigates)
 
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