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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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MTB said:
Thanks.
So, the core computing elements are not isolated versus the environment. Because it never happened in a Starfleet ship that the on-board environment was contaminated, changed, plasmafied or a baryon sweep was conducted.
Makes sense.
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Well, basically the problem was the bleeding-edge bioneural gelpack computers on Voyager had some very specific requirements for environmental stability, and those requirements weren't fully met. They may have assumed the gelpacks had more innate resistance to infection than was truly the case, or Neelix may have lucked out and found a class of microorganism that the existing systems weren't equipped to deal with (my reading of the Memory Alpha article supports this, in my opinion).

It's one of about eight zillion episodes where in theory we can say "ha ha, isn't Starfleet stupid for not following proper safety procedures, if I were designing a spaceship I would totally have avoided this problem." On the other hand, I have to point out that in real life there have been, and continue to be, a LOT of mechanical breakdowns and failures caused by mistakes that in theory are surprisingly easy to avoid. The real problem is avoiding them 99.9999% of the time, because the systems involve so many components, elements, moving parts, and potential environmental factors that something will be broken effectively all the time.

Glassware said:
I know I for one have been looking forward to reverse-engineering, safety testing, and implementing those defenses ever since the Battle of Ixiria. If we could get Silent Repose running, it would be an incredible combat advantage.
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Didn't we end up voting to have the Ked Paddah shove most of the debris from the battle into the sun?
 
Simon_Jester said:
Well, basically the problem was the bleeding-edge bioneural gelpack computers on Voyager had some very specific requirements for environmental stability, and those requirements weren't fully met. They may have assumed the gelpacks had more innate resistance to infection than was truly the case, or Neelix may have lucked out and found a class of microorganism that the existing systems weren't equipped to deal with (my reading of the Memory Alpha article supports this, in my opinion).

It's one of about eight zillion episodes where in theory we can say "ha ha, isn't Starfleet stupid for not following proper safety procedures, if I were designing a spaceship I would totally have avoided this problem." On the other hand, I have to point out that in real life there have been, and continue to be, a LOT of mechanical breakdowns and failures caused by mistakes that in theory are surprisingly easy to avoid. The real problem is avoiding them 99.9999% of the time, because the systems involve so many components, elements, moving parts, and potential environmental factors that something will be broken effectively all the time.

Didn't we end up voting to have the Ked Paddah shove most of the debris from the battle into the sun?
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Its not that Starfleet was stupid.

Its that Neelix's cooking is just that bad.
 
:D

My take is that he was using active bacterial cultures that themselves carry viruses, and the viruses were incapable of doing anything to the crew, perfectly safe, but just so happened to be able to infect gelpacks (which are, biochemically, very not like humanoid species as a whole).

I can easily imagine Starfleet having not allowed for specific types of exotic viral infections that could hurt a bioneural gelpack and that normal lifeforms are immune to.
 
Simon_Jester said:
:D

My take is that he was using active bacterial cultures that themselves carry viruses, and the viruses were incapable of doing anything to the crew, perfectly safe, but just so happened to be able to infect gelpacks (which are, biochemically, very not like humanoid species as a whole).

I can easily imagine Starfleet having not allowed for specific types of exotic viral infections that could hurt a bioneural gelpack and that normal lifeforms are immune to.
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My SOD leaves the door at 'happened to be able to infect gelpacks'. How?
 
[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)

[X][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D): USS Torch, Renaissance, NCC-2617

[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)
 
Iron Wolf said:
"Exasperated: Victoria, Commander fop Markath's yoga class appears to have disrupted our isolinear pathways due to evaporated mositure buildup and... fungal spores. Lightning will crash into Utopia Planetia in five hours."
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"5 hours? Why do you tell me now? What should I do for the 4h25m until a solution is required?"
 
[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)
[X][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D): USS Torch, Renaissance, NCC-2617
[X][INDORIA] Build a modern cruiser force to quickly react to incidents on the cardassian border.
[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)
 
[x][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)is.
[X][TAUNI] Endorse this Plan.
[X][ARRAY] Insight (Renaissance)
[X][PRIORITY]Rigellians should look into refit for Oda-Gach cutters using latest technology in the short or mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Tellarites should build 3mt berth to be able to repair/refit their capital ships
[X][PRIORITY]Risa should build a Kepler instead of trying for the Ambassador in the mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Indorians should increase Tech recruitment in the short-term to prepare for crewing Amarki and Starfleet modern designs.
 
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Suggested Priorities Vote

Briefvoice said:
[X][PRIORITY] Berths, Refits, Kepler, and Techs
-Tellarites should build 3mt berth to be able to repair/repair their capital ships
-Rigellians should look into refit for Oda-Gach cutters using latest technology.
-Risa should build a Kepler.
-Indorians should increase Tech recruitment

So my reasoning. The Tellarites are going to have both an Excelsior-A and an Ambassador. That's two capital ships they can't service in their own yards, which seem to me to be one too many. The Rigellians have 10 Oda-Gach Cutters where are completely outperformed by Centaur-Bs for only a little more cost and much less crew. It seems like there should be room for a refit to improve performance. As for Risa, look at their crew income. It would take them literally a decade to gather enough trained personnel to crew an Ambassador. A Kepler, though, that they could do in a reasonable period of time and it would have a lot of utility for them. Finally, when I look at Indorian crew income, it's a shortage of Techs that is going to hold them back when building more modern frigates.
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Have come up with some priority votes and edited into my vote. Please consider and vote if you agree.
 
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@"As for Risa, look at their crew income. It would take them literally a decade to gather enough trained personnel to crew an Ambassador." - except if they get an enthusiasm-driven peak in recruitment. That's a possible reading of the update.
 
[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)

I've been waiting for our swarm members to cooperate on new models for years ....

[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)

Nobody should be building a Constitution-B ...

[X][PRIORITY]Rigellians should look into refit for Oda-Gach cutters using latest technology in the short or mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Tellarites should build 3mt berth to be able to repair/refit their capital ships
[X][PRIORITY]Risa should build a Kepler instead of trying for the Ambassador in the mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Indorians should increase Tech recruitment in the short-term to prepare for crewing Amarki and Starfleet modern designs.
 
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[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)

FEDERAL BOP SOON

[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)

I'm not entirely sold on actually giving the Tauni the ability to build modern cruisers (if only partially)....but they are our allies. And who knows, maybe increased capability will lead to increased competence.
 
[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)

[X][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D): USS Torch, Renaissance, NCC-2617

[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)

[X][INDORIA] Engage in Modernization as Below
-Indorians should make an effort to retire and replace their "Indorian Frigates" and "Ship of the Line" as these are obsolete for modern Federation technology. As previous Indorian designs indicate they do not highly value Presence, they may will to negotiate with Amarki for use of the Anacail frigate design. In the long timeframe they may wish to make their own Ambassador as a replacement fleet anchor.

[X][PRIORITY]Rigellians should look into refit for Oda-Gach cutters using latest technology in the short or mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Tellarites should build 3mt berth to be able to repair/refit their capital ships
[X][PRIORITY]Push for Andor-Caitian Joint Exercises in the MWCO in the mid-term to help fortify against Hishmeri and Ashalla Pact in the central rimward borders.

I only really agree with the top two of Briefvoice's priorities. The Risan Kepler doesn't fit with the "coast guard" mission that the Risans build their non-civilian ships for and they might be more profitably encouraged to either wait for Comet or pursue a refit of their corvettes using the same technologies. The Indorian issue is one I'll need to check for myself.

Leila Hann said:
Risan Ambassador is top level canon. None of you can stop it.
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But...why would we want to?
 
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