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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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[ ][CLOAK] More complete report on the Khellian class
[ ][CLOAK] Partial tactics report on the Klingons (+1% combat vs. Klingon fleets for the next 12 months)
[ ][CLOAK] Partial tactics report on the Romulans (+1% combat vs. Romulan fleets for the next 12 months)
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Well now I'm really worried.

Briefvoice said:
How does it compare to the casualty reports we've gotten for the Klingon-Romulan war?
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Well, it's hard to make direct comparisons, because we haven't got a clue how these ships are being lost. Single-ship actions? Sustained skirmishing? Knock-down drag-out decisive battles? Probably some combination of all three? Who got whacked doing what? In our case we know that pretty much all the losses resulted from a single front and a single battle. But last year at least two fronts saw major action in the Klingon-Romulan War.

That said, the closest comparison we can make, based on the losses reported last year.

The Romulans lost:
2 superheavy heavy cruisers at 2.7mt each (Devoras)
3 battlecruisers at 2.4mt each (Khellian)
4 light cruisers 1mt each (Daljerra)
6 heavy frigates at 744kt each (Aehallh)
6 light frigates at 200kt each (Bird of Prey)
plus 44 auxiliary ships that I'm not totaling up because ain't nobody got time for that
Total: 22.264 megatons of shipping

With @OneirosTheWriter 's assistance (thanks! I need to go update my original post!) in determining the tonnage of Konen shipping lost, it turns out Cardassian losses in the 45 Gabriel campaign are actually more than what the Romulans lost that left them hanging on to Romulus orbit by their toenails. (The Cardassians and Konen combined losses work out to 25.145mt of shipping.)

The Klingons lost:
1 superheavy cruiser at 2.4mt (Tar'chak)
14 ultralight cruisers at 500kt each (K'tingas ((are trash)))
18 holycraplight frigates at 30kt each (BoP 1)
17 light? frigates at unknown weight each (BoP 2)
plus 47 auxiliary ships
Total: 9.94mt of shipping that can be confirmed and probably another 1 to 2mt of BoP 2s.

The Klingons paid a noticeably heavier price than we did, trading at about 2.24 in confirmed tonnage to our 3.19 after the Konen are added, and confirmation can only make the Klingon numbers worse.

If anyone's super-interested I'll go back and do this for all the years we have reports on.
 
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AKuz said:
Anacail's return to active duty has already seen them engaged in combat. My Gretarian Executive Officer, Captain Starlily, carefully studied the movement of Hishmeri forces and he accurately predicted they would attack in the sector where Anacail had resumed patrols.

Thanks to his foresight, we were able to send overwhelming assets in the form of TSS Pralim and CAS Koorlicail to assist Anacail. I sent Starlily along to help coordinate combat operations while the rest of my task force watched for flanking operations.
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...you know I gotta be honest, this is one weird Gretarian. Like, somebody who had their teenaged rebellion by buying books about the Earth-Romulan War and the Sundering wars and just never stopped.

At least I hope that's what happened, because I'd hate to think somebody sent a Gretarian to watch a battle otherwise.
 
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hold the MM on BoP mk 1 are 30k...... what?
even our smallest shipyard is so much bigger then that!

also that 21 V 50 ships lost, not counting aux
pretty sure the klingon can not rebuild that many ship, except maybe the BoP mk 1 with any kind of speed
so now it holding and bleeding the klingons for the romulans
versus
taking and robbing the romulans blind for the klingons
 
Derpmind said:
Alright, I'll admit it: With the full power of hindsight, it's clear we really could have benefited from a diplo-push on the Muuyozoi this year. The HoH is basically countering our TF with their own TF, so we clearly didn't put enough resources into it this year.
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I'd say we put as many ships as we could in that TF, we really couldn't start drawing down ships from Gabriel before we had the treaty signed.... to do so would have invited the Cardassian Hawks to gamble it all in hopes of saving face/getting better terms.

But now? now we can focus on the Harmony as it should be needed.
 
Yeah the BoP1 is impossible by current design rules.

Picture it as a light disruptor, a torpedo launcher with a small magazine, a small warp core and the smallest impulse engine you can find attached to a cloaking device with bailing wire. As in our runabouts probably have bigger components.
 
Goat said:
Yeah the BoP1 is impossible by current design rules.

Picture it as a light disruptor, a torpedo launcher with a small magazine, a small warp core and the smallest impulse engine you can find attached to a cloaking device with bailing wire. As in our runabouts probably have bigger components.
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The Klingons stole the Oberth miniaturization tech and took it to the next level. They miniaturized themselves to fit inside, it's the spaceship version of a clown car.
 
From what I understand, the way various parts work is that (in general) each increase in tech level improves that part type's stats bonuses slightly but also increases the part's size and cost too. Lower tier parts are often in current ship designs to squeeze pass the threshold of giving the ship another +1 without taking up excess space or resources/crewing. So all the (relatively) small legacy ships possibly could be modeled, but it would require making very small versions of every ship part, each one with tiny stats and costs.
 
Isn't cannon the BoP design was created by a mad genius? and that it explicitly was a supremely well designed ship because of it?
 
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From what I understand, the way various parts work is that (in general) each increase in tech level improves that part type's stats bonuses slightly but also increases the part's size and cost too. Lower tier parts are often in current ship designs to squeeze pass the threshold of giving the ship another +1 without taking up excess space or resources/crewing. So all the (relatively) small legacy ships possibly could be modeled, but it would require making very small versions of every ship part, each one with tiny stats and costs.
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Anything under 300kt is next to impossible to design. Mandatory parts and power takes up a massive chunk of your total space. The Oberth is literally impossible at its stated weight and even as a 400kt is a design challenge I'm not sure I'm capable of unless I play very fast and loose with the design or have the GMs give some very favorable rulings. The BoP? Forget it. The damn thing cannot be made under any circumstances. If we get into a general war I strongly suggest stealing the design and using it to turn our Excelsiors into Space Carriers.

Edit: gamed it out, BOP stats at T-1 is around 270-80kt on a bigger frame. So yeah, weight of parts is over 9 times bigger than the notional ship.
 
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pbluekan said:
Thankfully, with the number of times the Lecarre have violated the treaty we have a few examples to tote out if the cardassians ever make an issue of it.

Frankly, I'm rather surprised that the FDS or the council haven't forced embassies on the Ashalla Pact due to Lecarre violations of the treaty.
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Well, until we actually convince the host governments to protect them from Cardassia we'd have no ability to actually protect said embassies, so more diplomacy is a necessary first step.
 
violations of the treaty.

you mean like talking too other member then the ones that signed it without telling them
or using underhanded means to send support to the opposition of the ruling goverment

you know shit we did that was in violation of the treaty
we are not all that clean on that ether you know!
 
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