Updated my shipyard sheet.
With the addition of the Orions, the Federation as a whole has 125 ship berths plus another 15 under construction.
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Updated my shipyard sheet.
With the addition of the Orions, the Federation as a whole has 125 ship berths plus another 15 under construction.
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[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
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[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
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Only four I'm really sure about. Will probably edit the rest in later.
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[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
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Only four I'm really sure about. Will probably edit the rest in later.
Thanks!
Could I also trouble you to replace the Sotaw Diploposture with a Dylaarian one? I'm curious how willing their recent attacks on us were, among other things.
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We're going to need a Konen Desk aren't we? It's going to be expensive isn't it?
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Based on the new planet locations it seems clear that the Horizon border or effectively border the Honiani, and are at most a subsector removed from also bordering the Ked Paddah. This is with placing the planets on the corward side of the specified subsectors when in doubt and with drawing the fuzzy borders just barely larger than strictly necessary to encompass all those major colonies, and without any knowledge of minor colonies/mining colonies they might also have inside their borders (compare with how much claimed space was assumed for Cardassian mining colonies when we got locations for them after Ghosts and Whispers).
Where exactly is the HBZ going to be? It seems effectively impossible for it to include a claim on a buffer zone between the Honiani and the Horizon without that being taken effectively as a declaration of war (imagine China was constructing artificial islands just a couple of miles off the coast of California and trying to claim those as new territory including territorial waters around them). A buffer zone between Ked Paddah and Horizon is perhaps a bit less of a stretch, but still seems rather aggressive. It seems what would make the most sense would be for the HBZ to be formed from unclaimed space between the Honiani and Ked Paddah (around the Tauni who would probably very much appreciate it), as well as a bit of the recently claimed space of the Rigel sector. Perhaps something like this?
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Well fuck me. I really hope our efforts towards joint missions with the ISC start paying dividends soon.
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The Harmony wouldn't be meat shields, the Borg would be their reinforcements.
You could include some Honiani worlds (Becarra, Obar, and Canun) inside the Border Zone. If the purpose is to monitor HoH traffic, they'll still have to come through the Border Zone to get to Okatha itself if they want to do serious negotiation.
[X][CARD] Cardassian Ship Analysis Report - Jaldun Refit
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
So here's what's up:
2% bonus against Konen isn't really worth it especially since we'll be engaging them before the bonus is developed. Either we lose and it doesn't matter, or we push them into the repair yards and it doesn't matter. And, like, it's a 2% bonus. We could get a bonus five times that value by replacing a D2 ship with a D3 ship. In the grand scheme of things it's too small to care about.
I would like to order the Cardassian Fleet Strength at the same time as the GBZ fleet strength so that we can accurately say how much of the Cardassian fleet is being used in the GBZ. Also don't forget that this also reports on their cargo numbers.
Moving to an every-2-years fleet strength for the Cardassians is in my opinion prudent as we accelerate towards potential large-scale conflict. I don't want to be using a 3-year-old fleet strength report if the war breaks out.
We're falling badly behind on ship designs, so I would encourage to fill spare reports with them. The Klingon battleship is the longest, but we should start order Horizon ships next year.
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
So here's what's up:
2% bonus against Konen isn't really worth it especially since we'll be engaging them before the bonus is developed. Either we lose and it doesn't matter, or we push them into the repair yards and it doesn't matter. And, like, it's a 2% bonus. We could get a bonus five times that value by replacing a D2 ship with a D3 ship. In the grand scheme of things it's too small to care about.
I would like to order the Cardassian Fleet Strength at the same time as the GBZ fleet strength so that we can accurately say how much of the Cardassian fleet is being used in the GBZ. Also don't forget that this also reports on their cargo numbers.
Moving to an every-2-years fleet strength for the Cardassians is in my opinion prudent as we accelerate towards potential large-scale conflict. I don't want to be using a 3-year-old fleet strength report if the war breaks out.
We're falling badly behind on ship designs, so I would encourage to fill spare reports with them. The Klingon battleship is the longest, but we should start order Horizon ships next year.
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Another HBZ option, Nix, is to extend the LBZ to more precisely include the Ked Paddah (and Liao) and have a Horizon border, and use the HBZ for Tauni through Honiani inclusive. That would mean two border zones for the Horizon, but it definitely addresses the size problem.
Based on the new planet locations it seems clear that the Horizon border or effectively border the Honiani, and are at most a subsector removed from also bordering the Ked Paddah. This is with placing the planets on the corward side of the specified subsectors when in doubt and with drawing the fuzzy borders just barely larger than strictly necessary to encompass all those major colonies, and without any knowledge of minor colonies/mining colonies they might also have inside their borders (compare with how much claimed space was assumed for Cardassian mining colonies when we got locations for them after Ghosts and Whispers).
Where exactly is the HBZ going to be? It seems effectively impossible for it to include a claim on a buffer zone between the Honiani and the Horizon without that being taken effectively as a declaration of war (imagine China was constructing artificial islands just a couple of miles off the coast of California and trying to claim those as new territory including territorial waters around them). A buffer zone between Ked Paddah and Horizon is perhaps a bit less of a stretch, but still seems rather aggressive. It seems what would make the most sense would be for the HBZ to be formed from unclaimed space between the Honiani and Ked Paddah (around the Tauni who would probably very much appreciate it), as well as a bit of the recently claimed space of the Rigel sector. Perhaps something like this?
If we want an all-inclusive border zone, well, just look at the massive size of the SBZ. Or even the current CBZ. It's not a terrible issue.
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I'm not going to decide where the HBZ is and how it's supposed to work, that's something for the QM(s) to decide. I never unilaterally decide important things like that.
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[X][CARD] Cardassian Ship Analysis Report - Jaldun Refit
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
Edit: decided the 2% wasn't worth it, per SWB's point above.
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
Edit: decided the 2% wasn't worth it, per SWB's point above.
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So let's look at this.
The first thing that stands out is the fleet division. It seems to me that the Horizon do not garrison by sectors like we do. Rather, they structure and deploy fleets under directorates. Each directorate would have a set of responsibilities, so, Public Safety might be space emergencies, colony support, and crime. Science might be exploratory and plagues. Peacekeeping might be foreign contact and threat management. Just as examples. The division stands very different to Starfleet's "every ship every mission" division. If fleets have narrow responsibilities but broad areas of deployment, and furthermore if you think of their border as their GBZ-level area, then the size of the deployment becomes more clear.
I should also point out that with a ratio of 5 or 6 to 1 swarmer to mothership, and given that they've been miniaturized without a warp drive powerplant, that the swarmer is likely at most a Yrillian Corsair in strength, and likely more along the lines of a Soyuz or old Bird of Prey. It would certainly make little sense of it was even as capable as the Caitian Swarmer. And the number of shipyard berths required to build for such a ship means they'd be concentrated in the low size berths, perhaps 300 or 500kt. But needing to build 5 to 6 of these per mothership necessitates a ton of berths.
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I don't view a report on the Tarchak as all that important... is there a reason it's being prioritized?
It's the oldest unknown design by far, it's equally important to any other Romulan or Klingon design, it gives us a better understanding of the ongoing war, and there isn't really any material benefit to getting Horizon schematics at this point.
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Gee, if only we had an Engineering team or two in a Rennie variant, which can move as fast as our military ships.
I thought the Ranger-derivative ships could move at military cruise.
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[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][ROM] Romulan Shipbuilding Report
[X][KLI] Klingon Shipyard Report
[X][HOH] Horizon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Tarchak
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Cardassian fleet strength in the GBZ
[X][REPORT] Progress of Klingon-Romulan War
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Determine what projects other factions are up to
They only have three Tar'Chak in their fleet... probably a couple more this year.
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Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
Nope, they can only move at cargo ship speed. One of the many drawbacks of using a design over a hundred years old. But hey, I was assured, by many people in the thread, that we'd never need our engineering teams to move that fast on the previous occasions that I brought up an engineering variant Rennie.
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I think it's more important, at the moment, to know exactly what we're facing and what reinforcements they can call. The only real advantage the Konen and Cardassians have over us is their sensor spoofing which works only on Starfleet designs. 2% damage increase will not really help this, especially when it won't affect the immediate fight.
I think it's more important, at the moment, to know exactly what we're facing and what reinforcements they can call. The only real advantage the Konen and Cardassians have over us is their sensor spoofing which works only on Starfleet designs. 2% damage increase will not really help this, especially when it won't affect the immediate fight.