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Goat said:
Well, Nash might be getting close look at a Konen Whisper class vessel soon. They have one in the GBZ and the only way it is isn't going to part of the upcoming fireworks is if it is deliberately withheld behind the fixed defences.

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The Konen are believed to have a capital ship, two cruisers and five frigates in the GBZ.
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It is totally possible that the Konen are going to hang back and let the Cardassians take the brunt of Nash's retribution, then strike using their own ships while we're exhausted.
 
Glassware said:
It is totally possible that the Konen are going to hang back and let the Cardassians take the brunt of Nash's retribution, then strike using their own ships while we're exhausted.
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It'd be a bad idea, since that'd just anger the Cardassians. Retaliation will follow, if not necessarily immediately and viscerally.

The only exception to this will be if the Konen were used to provoke the Federation into a trap, but in that case, unless the Konen ships are profoundly unsuitable to a fight those ships will be there.
 
  • The surprise is that Konen are not part of the Treaty and are attacking Apinae.
  • The surprise is that Konen are mirror-universe Federation.
  • The surprise is that Konen are teaming up with Yrilians to attack Vega then Mars. Good Luck with no UP.
  • The surprise is that Konen are good guys who rescued the crew after their ship malfunctioned... why is your fleet here shooting all our stuff?
 
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Think Konen willing to sacrifice some of their own and Cardassians ships as bait in order to destroy our fleet in a supernova? They could use the Republic's prisoners as well.
 
TyrialFrost said:
The surprise is that Konen are not part of the Treaty and are attacking Apinae.
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I was alarmed for a moment, but given the fact that they'd have to go through Cardassian space to launch such an assault I'm pretty sure even the Council wouldn't stomach that - forget the GBZ fleetball we just rounded up, we'd be outright at war with Cardassia within the day.
 
Jrin said:
Think Konen willing to sacrifice some of their own and Cardassians ships as bait in order to destroy our fleet in a supernova? They could use the Republic's prisoners as well.
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The Cardassians and Konen having access to a supernova weapon and deploying it would almost certainly result in multiple major powers declaring war on them. Supernovas are AOE weapons with a huge radius, they're everyone's concern.
 
Glassware said:
The Cardassians and Konen having access to a supernova weapon and deploying it would almost certainly result in multiple major powers declaring war on them. Supernovas are AOE weapons with a huge radius, they're everyone's concern.
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Romulans: "Ceasefire and teamup?"
Klingons: "Today is a Good Day to Curbstomp!" :D
 
Jrin said:
Think Konen willing to sacrifice some of their own and Cardassians ships as bait in order to destroy our fleet in a supernova? They could use the Republic's prisoners as well.
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That's... a bad idea.

And I mean a really bad idea.

Although a super nova propagates at a rate of 1 LY a year, giving time, NASA estimates that a supernova will destroy human(ity/civilization) if a star goes off within 25 light years from us.

Which basically means that as a rough rule of thumb, a 5 by 5 grid of the map goes dead over the following two and a half decades.
 
A supernova sounds more like something a Licori mentat would do, not a Cardassian nor a Konen.
 
Glassware said:
The Cardassians and Konen having access to a supernova weapon and deploying it would almost certainly result in multiple major powers declaring war on them. Supernovas are AOE weapons with a huge radius, they're everyone's concern.
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Supernovas can render planets between 50LY to 100LY away uninhabitable. We know Nash was planning to attack the Enio subsector. This is a 40LY, so being quite conservative, radius from there:
As you can see while we'd lose the Apiata it hurts the Cardassians far more then it does us. Especially since the closest worlds, and thus the ones with the least time to prepare, are Cardassian.

Hazard said:
That's... a bad idea.

And I mean a really bad idea.

Although a super nova propagates at a rate of 1 LY a year, giving time, NASA estimates that a supernova will destroy human(ity/civilization) if a star goes off within 25 light years from us.

Which basically means that as a rough rule of thumb, a 5 by 5 grid of the map goes dead over the following two and a half decades.
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I got 50LY to 100LY from here. Also worth noting that supernovas top out at around 0.25C IIRC so it actually takes four times longer then that.
 
The surprise is that Konen are actually the Breen. Have you ever seen a Breen without his helmet on? I don't think so. For all we know they could look just like the Konen.

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Ah shit, energy dissipators.
 
Whoops wrong choice of word, I mean that method Nash use the Sun to destroy the Cardassians base, cruiser or something back then, I would think the Order would try find the method and use it against our numbers.
 
I think the most likely result is that the Cardassians have been waiting since the Treaty of Celos for the Federation to over-commit to the GBZ, so they can launch a surprise strike on the whole Federation while trying to cut off the GBZ fleet from it's logistics.
 
Diomedon said:
I think the most likely result is that the Cardassians have been waiting since the Treaty of Celos for the Federation to over-commit to the GBZ, so they can launch a surprise strike on the whole Federation while trying to cut off the GBZ fleet from it's logistics.
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With the size of the fleet we just sent in, I'd say I wish them good luck but I know they won't find any.
 
Diomedon said:
I think the most likely result is that the Cardassians have been waiting since the Treaty of Celos for the Federation to over-commit to the GBZ, so they can launch a surprise strike on the whole Federation while trying to cut off the GBZ fleet from it's logistics.
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The Federation's structure makes that unlikely. There's just too much in the way of forces tied up in home sectors.
 
If I remember right, there are one or two areas that we absolutely need to secure in order to have a logistics pipeline for our GBZ forces. If they launch a successful strike on those...
 
UbeOne said:
If I remember right, there are one or two areas that we absolutely need to secure in order to have a logistics pipeline for our GBZ forces. If they launch a successful strike on those...
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Yeah, this is what I was thinking. Trap the fleetball in the GBZ without logistics, and aim to attrit it without directly engaging it, while putting enough pressure on the main front to discourage the Federation from being able to shift enough forces away for a relief force.
 
Diomedon said:
Yeah, this is what I was thinking. Trap the fleetball in the GBZ without logistics, and aim to attrit it without directly engaging it, while putting enough pressure on the main front to discourage the Federation from being able to shift enough forces away for a relief force.
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Trap HOW?

Space is big and that's one big fleetball.
 
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