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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Luck ran out for real stars in Eridanus matching up well enough to use for the map, Flamsteed's catalogue only goes to 69, and 77 Eridani in Gould's catalogue (which would be 14 in Flamsteed's) is 113 lightyears away. As both catalogues are arranged in order of right ascension (just with Gould including many stars in between) and both end with the same star (69 Eridani /293 G. Eridani) there is no way to pick a star that might have been 77 Eridani in Flamsteeds scheme either.
I guess there is no real need to put it on the map anyway though.
I guess there is no real need to put it on the map anyway though.
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You know, that type of morality sounds like something that would be suitable for another power for us to interact with, or maybe even some of our own members to have as a methodology.
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Well, we have interacted with the konen in the past. We had a moderately friendly chat with them when we met the Ashidi, and we coordinated to hunt a crystalline entity that had been causing problems for both of us.
Right now, they unfortunately seem to see it as in their own interest to help the Cardassians fight us in the GBZ. Perhaps we can adjust their calculations.
lbmaian
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@OneirosTheWriter, updated preliminary 2317 EOY audit now that all updates except Q4 Rat Race are done (and assuming no major affiliation bonuses in that update) (edit: also Academy Steering Committee):
Note that the 29 Baker V mining colony completion this quarter [+10 (20) sr/yr, +1pp/yr, +2rp/yr] was already taken into account as part of "Previous Net Income Delayed Until This Year", in case anyone's wondering why SR didn't increase more from my last report. And the 29 Baker II mining colony ETC 2318.Q3 [+15 (20) br/yr, +1pp/yr, +2rp/yr] will be part of 2318's "Previous Net Income Delayed Until This Year".
Note that the 29 Baker V mining colony completion this quarter [+10 (20) sr/yr, +1pp/yr, +2rp/yr] was already taken into account as part of "Previous Net Income Delayed Until This Year", in case anyone's wondering why SR didn't increase more from my last report. And the 29 Baker II mining colony ETC 2318.Q3 [+15 (20) br/yr, +1pp/yr, +2rp/yr] will be part of 2318's "Previous Net Income Delayed Until This Year".
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Finagle007
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Perhaps we should attempt a deep-strike sabotage operation?
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Personally, I think we might be getting to the point where we have enough Excelsiors. Heresy I know, but it may be a better idea to shift to a Rennie and escort construction plan and save up for a major Ambassador push.
Theunderbolt
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The Ferengi are now investing in wigs?
Forgothrax
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@Simon_Jester To answer your question from last night... I don't see new technologies making a 2323 general frigate any better than at present. I did half an hour of playing around with my design to no avail. I can maybe, if I spend a lot more time trimming to get moar powah, get +1H for +5SR. But then we have a 95/70 1/3/3 general frigate with a 2.5yr build time. That's pretty damn close to the Rennie's spot, except moderately cheaper in terms of crew (-2O, -2E), -10SR, and -1Q build time. I'm sure SWB can do better, but I doubt that we're getting more than +1 to a stat, with or without resource cost. Even if we could get +1H for free (same statline, his or mine) I'm not sure it would be a worthwhile trade. About the only real wildcard we have right now are automated frames, so I guess we'll wait 'til the sheet has those and at that point I can give a final determination. Still doubtful that 2323 is much better, but if it allows for a 1/2/3 frigate with +1H I would have a lot more consideration to do.
Edit: +1H for "free" is possible, on further reworking, but it requires T3 Ops, Engineering, Warp, and Hull subframes. I thought we would only have either Ops or Eng/Warp/Hull by 2323. If we focused on both we could do it, I suppose. Also needs T3 Nav Deflectors.
Edit: +1H for "free" is possible, on further reworking, but it requires T3 Ops, Engineering, Warp, and Hull subframes. I thought we would only have either Ops or Eng/Warp/Hull by 2323. If we focused on both we could do it, I suppose. Also needs T3 Nav Deflectors.
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Wouldnt a present frigate being good enough mean we should have updated the requirements last turn and could have bought the project next snakepit? Or do we have to wait until the Kepler is finished to start the new project?
Still, it seems like we should buy the grand reorganisation this turn.
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I went and did a search for our encounters with the Konen. Bolded details for relevance on their psychology.
The Konen will be polite as they wheel you into the torture chamber.
So they decided not to start a fight.
Below is the crystalline entity incident.
I the impression the Konen have been very cold indeed when interacting whit the Federation,
We should wait until the Kepler is finished in 2318, and put out good frigate design team to work on the project in 2319.
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Ferengi? Syndicate?
Forgothrax
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If we want to start it in 2319, we need to ask for it in the 2318 Tactical Operations, then buy the project in the 2319 Snakepit, then start research in the 2319 research turn. There's tech in it that requires 2318 research iirc. Regardless, there's no point doing it early.
It does mean that the upcoming 2318 Snakepit is the opportune time for the full reorganization
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AKuz
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Interestingly, this is P5 on a ship specifically called out as a warship. What is their explorer equivilant like?
The Ferengi are now investing in wigs?
OMG.
Instead of dealing with the Ferengi government, Or "Yankee Traders", we get to deal with the East Rimward Trading Company. Brrrr
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We can have all of the T3 subframes if we make it a high priority (using all frigate qualified teams for it simultaneously, or recruiting a new one). T3 Nav Deflectors are difficult though, particularly if we aren't willing to sacrifice T3 shields for it. We could get two new shield teams and reassign the Andorian Academy, or we could temporarily move the Daystrom institute over to shields ( a new skill 2 team would need 8 years and so wouldn't cut it).
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Sooo... I was thinking about the Harmony and skimming a few pages of the thread from earlier, and...
On the other hand, rotating commanders in and out every six to eight quarters is probably bad for the actual welfare of the sector command structure. Especially if (like T'Lorel) the next Gabriel Expanse commander is brought in from outside the sector. I'd give her another year or so, myself.
Personally I'm favoring Nash or Rivers for the job myself; Rivers because she's arguably earned the job and Nash because Nash.
My working hypothesis for the Konen is that they are a species with crappy empathy in the psychological sense, precisely because they instead evolved the ability to directly perceive other people's emotions the same way they perceive body language. So they know how you feel, as a piece of information that may or may not be relevant to whatever they're thinking, feeling, or doing. But they don't have a fully developed array of mirror neurons dedicated to emulating your feelings, because there's no evolutionary need for that when you can just read someone's thoughts and feelings directly.
So I'm thinking about translating that into a society-wide tendency, and I can see it going one of two ways.
One is a sort of cross between a Romulan-esque "ruling passion" and a Licori-esque "I'll let you do you" mindset, wherein every individual Konen is motivated by their emotions to do whatever, and other Konen just sort of... respect that, even if they don't actually share that motivation or care about it personally.
The other possibility is that the Konen have gotten very good at de-personalizing their own emotions, because they fully expect everyone else to do so. In this model, Konen civilization hinges on everyone's ability to ignore all the anger and negative vibes sometimes generated by other Konen and work together anyway, using their telepathy to alert each other to whether or not there is an actual interpersonal problem that demands immediate attention or redress of grievances. Meanwhile, they're going to be completely missing or not caring about the more subtle signs other species use to signal displeasure.
I'm not scared of what the Cardassians are doing, I'm scared because it doesn't make any sense in the context of the way I expect Cardassians to think. Unless the Konen have secretly hypnotized and taken over the Detapa Council and Central Command or something.
Among the lesser powers, well, the Gaeni do it FOR SCIENCE, and the Honiani and Qloathi have a genuine enthusiasm for deep space exploration that is very similar to Starfleet's. But there's no reason to assume the Harmony actually has a class of ships that are, by their standards, optimized for Science/Presence much more than the Liberators.
It's just that Harmony ships are to Presence what Gaeni ships are to Science, so even their dedicated warships are pretty high-Presence.
You haaaad to go and say it.
I suppose I can see why they might reason that it's a bad idea to put the same person in charge there for an extended period of time for fear that it would have negative effects on their management style or something.
On the other hand, rotating commanders in and out every six to eight quarters is probably bad for the actual welfare of the sector command structure. Especially if (like T'Lorel) the next Gabriel Expanse commander is brought in from outside the sector. I'd give her another year or so, myself.
Personally I'm favoring Nash or Rivers for the job myself; Rivers because she's arguably earned the job and Nash because Nash.
I suspect the Konen are the kind of people who can be actively fighting you and get along with you later, especially if they attacked you.
My working hypothesis for the Konen is that they are a species with crappy empathy in the psychological sense, precisely because they instead evolved the ability to directly perceive other people's emotions the same way they perceive body language. So they know how you feel, as a piece of information that may or may not be relevant to whatever they're thinking, feeling, or doing. But they don't have a fully developed array of mirror neurons dedicated to emulating your feelings, because there's no evolutionary need for that when you can just read someone's thoughts and feelings directly.
So I'm thinking about translating that into a society-wide tendency, and I can see it going one of two ways.
One is a sort of cross between a Romulan-esque "ruling passion" and a Licori-esque "I'll let you do you" mindset, wherein every individual Konen is motivated by their emotions to do whatever, and other Konen just sort of... respect that, even if they don't actually share that motivation or care about it personally.
The other possibility is that the Konen have gotten very good at de-personalizing their own emotions, because they fully expect everyone else to do so. In this model, Konen civilization hinges on everyone's ability to ignore all the anger and negative vibes sometimes generated by other Konen and work together anyway, using their telepathy to alert each other to whether or not there is an actual interpersonal problem that demands immediate attention or redress of grievances. Meanwhile, they're going to be completely missing or not caring about the more subtle signs other species use to signal displeasure.
Yeah, but racial supremacy is pretty high up on the list of Cardassian priorities. I can see the Cardassians ceding control of Konen ships to a Konen commander, but I can't see them letting an alien lord it over a bunch of other Cardassians.
Forcing a major battle with the Ashalla Pact in the Gabriel Expanse is a high risk, high reward strategy. If it works, we're very well off; if it fails, we could lose a lot of ships, crewed by our best and brightest.
I'm not scared of what the Cardassians are doing, I'm scared because it doesn't make any sense in the context of the way I expect Cardassians to think. Unless the Konen have secretly hypnotized and taken over the Detapa Council and Central Command or something.
They may not actually have one. "Explorer," as a category of capital ship distinct from "battleship" or "parasite craft mothership" is pretty unusual. We may be the only major power to cultivate that level of Science/Presence event response capability on such an expensive platform.
Among the lesser powers, well, the Gaeni do it FOR SCIENCE, and the Honiani and Qloathi have a genuine enthusiasm for deep space exploration that is very similar to Starfleet's. But there's no reason to assume the Harmony actually has a class of ships that are, by their standards, optimized for Science/Presence much more than the Liberators.
It's just that Harmony ships are to Presence what Gaeni ships are to Science, so even their dedicated warships are pretty high-Presence.
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Forgothrax
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See the SDB thread in a few minutes, but we don't need T3 shields. Unless @SynchronizedWritersBlock wants them, they're heavier than T2 and don't have enough greater benefit to make them viable. They will be nice for future designs because you can get higher L more efficiently as the score goes up, but for my frigate design T2 hits L5 just fine.
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Yeah, but racial supremacy is pretty high up on the list of Cardassian priorities. I can see the Cardassians ceding control of Konen ships to a Konen commander, but I can't see them letting an alien lord it over a bunch of other Cardassians.
Forcing a major battle with the Ashalla Pact in the Gabriel Expanse is a high risk, high reward strategy. If it works, we're very well off; if it fails, we could lose a lot of ships, crewed by our best and brightest.
I'm not scared of what the Cardassians are doing, I'm scared because it doesn't make any sense in the context of the way I expect Cardassians to think. Unless the Konen have secretly hypnotized and taken over the Detapa Council and Central Command or something.
Hmmm.
What's the name of that blue-skinned Imperial admiral from Star Wars that the EU fans all jizz themselves over? The one who managed to achieve high station despite not being human?
I'm getting those vibes from the unnamed Konen commander.
I'm not mad keen on avoiding T3 shields as they would be a large benefit to a 2328 cruiser or explorer.
Forgothrax
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Looking at research, I think we would still have T3 shields for a 2328 design, depending on how teams get juggled. We'd just have T3 Nav Deflectors for this design instead of T3 Shields.
Thrawn.