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The one finishing from Ana font in 2317.q2 which you currently have going to the GBZ, so basically swapping their deployments
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Oh, we should absolutely give the Tauni all of our second-line stuff.
[X][TAUNI] Constitution-A, Connie-B, Constellation-A, Miranda-A, Centaur-A, Oberth.
They're on the opposite side of the Sydraxians and ISC. I think we're safe.
[X][TAUNI] Constitution-A, Connie-B, Constellation-A, Miranda-A, Centaur-A, Oberth.
They're on the opposite side of the Sydraxians and ISC. I think we're safe.
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I would urge you to at least wait until 2317.Q4! Taking the KBZ fleet down to two ships is something I think you should try to avoid... The Typhoon is on "cloaked ship detection" as much as anything else.
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...I saw 2 Cardassian reports in 2315 and stopped lookng, whoops.
That's an estimated 84-96 C, which is about as bad as I thought.
I don't have it going to the GBZ at all. I have it going to the Cardassian Border Zone, where I consider we could use a high Presence ship. (Never know when you're going to get a First Contact.)
lbmaian
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IMO, it's not really a problem of needing higher presence in the ships there - it's that we don't have enough ships there available to deal with all the possible (diplomacy) events.
But the KBZ no longer needs to cover detection or diplomacy duties in the vicinity of the Caldonians. Before the Odyssey arrived there, there seemed to be a Caldonian event every quarter, using up one of the KBZ ships. Now the Odyssey is supposedly leaving, replaced by two capable ships.
On the other hand, waiting until Q4 leaves the LBZ undermanned for 3 quarters. While I don't think the Licori are a serious threat anymore, the fact there are many affiliates in the area and the slight threat of continued Kortennon/Ixara revenge plots makes me leery of leaving just 3 ships in the LBZ.
@OneirosTheWriter since @lbmaian is depending on the Klingon Border Zone starbase being finished to meet the Defense requirement in his plan, can you confirm when it will be complete?
I have been assuming it's 2317.Q2, one year after request. But maybe I'm wrong and it's a 6 quarters job, not completing until 2317.Q4.
I have been assuming it's 2317.Q2, one year after request. But maybe I'm wrong and it's a 6 quarters job, not completing until 2317.Q4.
Judging by the past year, all those events you're worried about are going to happen in Rigel sector, and there will be no Events at all in the LBZ.
lbmaian
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Yeah, a change in starbase completion date would require updating the plan.
Judging by the past year, all those events you're worried about are going to happen in Rigel sector, and there will be no Events at all in the LBZ.
Wait, Tauni, Laio, and Ked Paddah events happened in the Rigel sector?
I do recall the LBZ intercepting that Kortennon revenge plot in Q2 this year, so it obviously still handles the Licori.
edit: Tauni are definitely handled in the LBZ - Stalwart handled a diplo event with the Tauni in 2316.Q3.M1.
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@OneirosTheWriter, have the Tau'ni been 'shopping' for ship designs? According to The Map, they could have feasibility asked the Honiani, Ked Paddah, Rigelians, Betazeds, or even the Gaen or Liccori to license their designs.
If the Tau'ni are anything like their inspiration, it wouldn't be too much to expect wonderfully kitbashed designs using tech sourced from all over the place.
If the Tau'ni are anything like their inspiration, it wouldn't be too much to expect wonderfully kitbashed designs using tech sourced from all over the place.
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Since the idea of giving away a member design already has support, how about giving them a more combat focused member cruiser in addition? We can probably even give them a more recent one since the small number of such classes makes aquiring and analysing their designs less efficient for our rivals.
The Amarki would probably enjoy it if the Tauni choose their Hebrinda over the Constellation. Rigel and Indoria also have some nice cruisers.
The Amarki would probably enjoy it if the Tauni choose their Hebrinda over the Constellation. Rigel and Indoria also have some nice cruisers.
Behold! A box with engines on the back and guns on every surface that isn't sensors or access hatches.
Damnit Jack.
The Patroller-A is an excellent choice for being to roll something up in any berth that's to hand and still able to actually scratch the hull paint of bigger combatants.
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The biggest danger is that whatever we send them goes on the open market and every two-bit warp capable species in the galaxy now has all the tech that makes up a federation cruiser, including the sensor (science) package needed for detection. So that includes the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians.
This civilisation has very little to do with us at this stage and everyone is throwing ship designs at them like its no-ones business. At LEAST wait until they are 300 with us before we send them anything more then a Patroller-A
[X][TAUNI] Patroller-A Design, let them know that more designs will be unlocked as they progress towards joining the federation.
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The Cardassians have engaged Constitution-Bs in battle at least once that I can remember and presumably have access to the after-action reports from Deva IX and Lora III, also two places where Constitution-Bs fought. I'm quite confident they know the capabilities of the ConnieBee as a fighting ship by now.
It's the interior machinery and its specific strengths and weaknesses that we can at least hope to keep them unsure about. We have a big advantage over them in that department, in that Nash has physically been inside Cardassian ships (albeit in a time loop no one else remembers) and that we got a Cardassian defector group who know everything about the Jalduns.
Of course, sooner or later they're bound to refit the Jalduns; the design almost has to be 2290-vintage if not older to explain how the Cardies managed to get all their older heavy combatant designs out of service before we got any fleet strength reports on them. If so, they're likely due for a refit in the same way the Excelsior-As are, and may already be working on that.
Since not everyone has exactly the same tech tree and for us the 5% figure is fully reasonable... does it matter? The Federation's research options are written from a Federation perspective. I mean, minor powers can't run on the same mechanics as us, if only because they'd never be able to pick up enough RPs to do anything other than fall hopelessly behind.
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I would much rather have Rennies than ConnieBees in the GBZ, personally. (Or the CBZ, where it's going, for that matter)
[X][TAUNI] Patroller-A Design, let them know that more designs will be unlocked as they progress towards joining the federation.
[X][FLEET] Briefvoice
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[X][TAUNI] Patroller-A Design, let them know that more designs will be unlocked as they progress towards joining the federation.
[X][FLEET] Briefvoice
[X][FLEET] Briefvoice
On the other hand, they did specifically ask for a cruiser design. I see no great harm in letting them build Constellation-As.
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How much pp do we currently have? I'm not sure where that's recorded.
I immediately regret opening my mouth.
They need something with which to defend themselves. Giving them the crappy under-gunned, under-scienced, under armored/shielded Patroller sounds downright assholeish.
Did you even look at The Map? They're on the opposite side of both the Federation, ISC, and now-hostile to Cardassia Sydraxians.
They need something with which to defend themselves. Giving them the crappy under-gunned, under-scienced, under armored/shielded Patroller sounds downright assholeish.
Did you even look at The Map? They're on the opposite side of both the Federation, ISC, and now-hostile to Cardassia Sydraxians.
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Our next design project is very likely going to be a combat frigate. Accordingly I see no issue with giving them the Miranda-A.
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[X][TAUNI] May Provide Constellation-A, Oberth, and Patroller-A Designs
Even so, we're going to be depending on Miranda-As for the next ~15 years.
lbmaian
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In fact, thinking about it some more, is there any reason we couldn't just send over any class designs within 1mt tonnage that was designed before, say 2290? Especially the refitable ones - we could send them an older design, and they can refit them into the modern one once they become major affiliates.
That includes: Constitution before B refit, unrefit Constellation, unrefit Miranda, Oberth
That's not a bad idea. Although I'd still rather not send them the most modern designs that the member fleets use. Unfortunately for the Amarki, that means even the unrefit Hebrinda might be too advanced.
There's also the consideration that we may need permission to convey over such designs. Patroller may be an exception, because the Betazoids already approved transfer of the design to the Caldonians.
Listing the member fleet ships that are within 1mt and aren't too advanced:
Amarki Perciar 2279-Now [280m, 696k t]
Indorian Frigate ?-Now [?.?m t]
C4 S2 H2 L3 P2 D3
Cost [Unknown, 3 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]Indorian Patrol Escort ?-Now [?m, ?.?m t]
Risa Heavy Corvette ?-Now [?m, 990k t]
C2 S2 H2 L4 P4 D4
Cost [100br, 75sr, 3 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]Risa Light Corvette ?-Now [?m, 370k t]
C1 S1 H1 L1 P3 D3
Cost [40br, 30sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]Rigellian Cutter Mark 1 2260-Now [?m, 430k t]
We should totally send them the Risa corvette designs or Gaeni tech-skiff
edit: struck out designs per anon_user's post below
That includes: Constitution before B refit, unrefit Constellation, unrefit Miranda, Oberth
That's not a bad idea. Although I'd still rather not send them the most modern designs that the member fleets use. Unfortunately for the Amarki, that means even the unrefit Hebrinda might be too advanced.
There's also the consideration that we may need permission to convey over such designs. Patroller may be an exception, because the Betazoids already approved transfer of the design to the Caldonians.
Listing the member fleet ships that are within 1mt and aren't too advanced:
Amarki Perciar 2279-Now [280m, 696k t]
C3 S2 H3 L2 P1 D3
Cost [70br, 70sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-2, E-3, T-2]
Amarki Calac 2290-Now [205m, 459k t]Cost [70br, 70sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-2, E-3, T-2]
C2 S2 H2 L2 P1 D2
Cost [50br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
Amarki Brieca 2290-Now [225m, 681k t]Cost [50br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
C2 S2 H3 L3 P1 D2
Cost [70br, 70sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-3, T-2]
Apiata Old Swarmer ?-Now [300k t]Cost [70br, 70sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-3, T-2]
C2 S1 H1 L2 P2 D3
Cost [32br, 32sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Betazoid Patrol Cruiser ?-Now [968k t]Cost [32br, 32sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C3 S2 H3 L3 P5 D3
Cost [100br, 65sr, 3 Years], Crew [O-3, E-3, T-2]
Betazoid Patroller 2289-Now [371k t]Cost [100br, 65sr, 3 Years], Crew [O-3, E-3, T-2]
C2 S1 H1 L2 P2 D2
Cost [40br, 40sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
Caitian Swarmer Mark 1 2273-Now [397k t]Cost [40br, 40sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-1]
C2 S1 H1 L3 P2 D2
Cost [40br, 44sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Gaeni Tech-Skiff 2272-Now [186m, 424k t]Cost [40br, 44sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C2 S2 H1 L2 P2 D2
Cost [45br, 80sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-2, E-2, T-2]
Cost [45br, 80sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-2, E-2, T-2]
C2 S1 H2 L2 P1 D2
Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Indorian Combat Escort ?-Now [???m, ?.?m t]Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C3 S1 H1 L2 P1 D2
Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Indorian Large Escort ?-Now [?.?m t]Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C4 S2 H2 L3 P1 D2
Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Cost [Unknown, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C2 S3 H1 L2 P3 D1
Cost [45br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
Rigellian Oda-Gach ?-Now [?m, 679k t]Cost [45br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-?, E-?, T-?]
C2 S4 H1 L2 P4 D2
Cost [70br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-3, T-4]
Cost [70br, 50sr, 2 Years], Crew [O-1, E-3, T-4]
We should totally send them the Risa corvette designs or Gaeni tech-skiff
edit: struck out designs per anon_user's post below
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