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Briefvoice said:
I guess we talked ourselves out yesterday. Okay, here's something to spur discussion. I'm figuring the next time we get to do a fleet distirbution vote will likely be in 2317.Q1, after Gaen joins the Federation and adds additional garrison results for Sol. Since the Licori Border Zone is apparently dropping to 9D requirement, here are my thoughts on a fleet redistribution. You'll see that I reinforce all the non-GBZ border zones... even the KBZ and RBZ, which I have wanted to get up to four ships for a long time now.


2317 Fleet Distribution

Fleet Strength Changes
2317.Q1 – (PROPOSED) Draw down Gabriel Expanse by 2 Constitution-Bs and 1 Centaur-A to reinforce other sectors. Draw down Licori Border zone by 1 Constitution-B and 1 Constellation to reinforce other sectors.
2317.Q1 – Tarrak [Excelsior in Ana Font Berth A] completes (Explorer Corps)
2317.Q1 – Pleezirra [Excelsior in SF Berth A] completes
2317.Q1 – Excelsior [Excelsior] goes into refit for Excelsior-A pattern
2317.Q1 – Kumari [Excelsior] goes into refit for Excelsior-A pattern
2317.Q1 – Lion completes refit as Miranda-A
2317.Q1 – Svai completes refit as Miranda-A
2317.Q1 – Dryad [Miranda] goes into refit
2317.Q1 – Calypso [Miranda] goes into refit
2317.Q2 – Renaissance [Ana Font Berth 1] completes
2317.Q3 – Challorn completes refit as Constellation-A
2317.Q3 – Sappho completes refit as Constellation-A
2317.Q3 – Kearsage [Constellation] goes into refit
2317.Q3 – Vigour [Constellation] goes into refit
2317.Q4 – Miranda-A [SF Berth 1] completes

2316.Q3 = "Current".

Sol Sector – Requires D18 / Assume D21 on Gaeni Ascension
  • Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 19D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 21D
  • Notes: Stalwart comes from Licori Border Zone in 2317.Q1
Vulcan Sector – Requires D12
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 2 Miranda (4) [Dryad, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
  • 2317.Q1 – 1 Constitution-A (5) [Defiant], 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], Starbase I (5) = 13D
  • 2317.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1 Dryad and Calypso go into refit, and the Defiant arrives from the GBZ.
Andor Sector – Requires D9
  • 2316.Q3 – 1 Constitution-B [Huascar], Starbase I (5) = 10D
  • 2317.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: No change.
Tellar Sector – Requires D9
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D.
  • 2317.Q3 – 1 Constellation-A (4) [Challorn], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 14D.
  • Notes: In 2317.Q3 Challorn arrives from refit, and Vigour goes into refit.
Amarkia Sector – Requires D9
  • Current - 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr] Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
  • 2317.Q3 - 1 Constellation-A (4) [Sappho], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr] Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 17D
  • Notes: In 2317.Q3 Sappho arrives from refit, Kearsage goes into refit.
Ferasa Sector – Requires D12
  • Current - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 14D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Korolev], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 19D
  • 2317.Q1- No change.
  • Notes: Korolev brought in from GBZ in 2317.Q1
Rigel Sector – Requires D9
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya] Starbase I (5) = 14D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Hood], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya] Starbase I (5) = 19D
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1 Hood arrives from Licori Border Zone..
Apinae Sector – Requires D12
  • Current - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Yukikaze], Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae], Extra Outposts [5] = 18D
  • 2317.Q2- 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Yukikaze], 2 Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae, Indorian Starbase], Extra Outposts [5] = 23D
  • Notes: Indorian Starbase completes in 2317.Q2
Romulan Border Zone – Requires D12
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (5) = 15D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pleezirra], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Svai], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (5) = 17D
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1, new Excelsior build in SF Berth A comes in and Excelsior goes into refit. Svai arrives from refit.
Klingon Border Zone – Requires D6
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking] = D10
  • 2317.Q2- 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking], 1 Starbase I (5) = 15D
  • 2317.Q4 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Miranda-A (2) [SF Berth 1], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking], 1 Starbase I (5) = 17D
  • Notes: Starbase complete in 2317.Q2. New Miranda-A SF Berth 1 arrives in 2317.Q4
Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D10
  • Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 12D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Centaur-A (Winterwind), 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 15D
  • 2317.Q2 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Renaissance (5) [Ana Font Berth 1], 1 Centaur-A (Winterwind), 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], 1 Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 20D
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1 the Winterwind sent here from GBZ. In 2317.Q2 Renaissance [Ana Font Berth 1] sent here after completion.
Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D9
  • Current – 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 13D
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Miranda-A (2) [Lion], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 15D
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1 Lion comes in from refit.
Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment
  • 2316.Q3 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, UP Berth 1, UP Berth 2, UP Berth 3], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly] = 95 C.
  • 2317.Q1 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 3 Constitution-B (15) [Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, UP Berth 1, UP Berth 2, UP Berth 3], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, Eclipse, Firefly] = 75 C.
  • Notes: In 2317.Q1, take the Korolev, Defiant, and the Winterwind out to reinforce other sectors, and Kumari goes into refit.
Licori Border Zone – Requires D9
  • Current/2316.Q3 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 2 Constitution-B (10) [Lexington, Hood], 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel] = 20D
  • 2317.Q1- 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 1 Constitution-B (5) [Lexington], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel] = 12D
  • Notes: Send Hood to Rigel Sector and Stalwart to Sol Sector.
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Do we need another ship in the CBZ? I'm a bit leery of drawing down the GBZ in general given it's the only real live-fire zone and a few ships might make a big difference, and while I can appreciate missing events isn't ideal I don't think the CBZ had that problem? Besides which, the drawing form the LBZ and Chen's bonus should really shore things up. Is this really necessary?

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Reorganisation
Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
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Whilst I think we'd be delighted to get this, the +1 Intel Report option was 70pp - we couldn't afford it. EDIT: And it only cost 20pp, not 35.

OneirosTheWriter said:
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Hishmeri Septs]

FDS reports that Hishmeri Septs are very truculent about diplomatic engagement. [Bonuses applied to roll are halved]
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Did we get a roll then?
 
UberJJK said:
I'm fairly sure that is saying the Intel Gathering was asked for last year has finished and we'll receive that +1 Report starting this year.
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We already got +1 report last year, so no, that doesn't seem correct.


OneirosTheWriter said:
Hospital Ship Prototype, 2 Freighters, and a Prospector are the first cabs off the rank.
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OneirosTheWriter said:
[x][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[x][BETA1] Go for it
[x][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[x][CATS] Decline
[x][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[x][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

2314.Q1
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So in 2314.Q2 the Auxiliary Shipyard started a prospector. Additionally, in 2314.Q1 we voted to start a colony ship and a prospector Vulcan berths. Presuming the Aux Shipyard prospector is only available in Q3, we should be up to 7 colony ships and 5 prospectors in Colony Command, with a 6th prospector on the way next quarter?

e: Colony ship would be 2317.Q3.
e2: Eh, maybe not? Did we only have 2 prospectors to start?

OneirosTheWriter said:
Starfleet Colony Command

6 Colony Ships
4 Prospectors
[36 Special (Colony), 16 Special (Prospecting)]
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AlphaDelta said:
NCC-3604 takes on a new significance when you realize that it's a 25% expansion of SF's Freighter fleet.
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Two freighters roll out of the Aux yard in Q3. Next Year Q3.

EDIT: No, I'm sorry, the Colony Ship and Freighters take 3 years, so they're all still under construction.
EDIT2: IDK, maybe we only had two prospectors to start? I can't find any references to how many we had.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Shipbuilding Operations Report
The requested builds, refits, and repairs scheduled for this quarter have completed, namely:


Starfleet Prospector, NCC-642 @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 4

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The requested builds, refits, and repairs scheduled for this quarter have commenced, namely:

Ambassador-class explorer (Starfleet Build Order NX-3901) @ Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards Berth B
Ambassador-class explorer (Starfleet Build Order NX-3902) @ Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards Berth D

Starfleet Freighter, NCC-3604 @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 4
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I think the Prospector is a relic from a previous version? It's being built in the same berth as the Freighter.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Migrant horde-type species who are currently rolling through Lecarre space.
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UbeOne said:
Nomad spacefarers who we recently met.
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AKuz said:
The Hishmeri Septs are the nomadic, almost certainly raiderish, peeps that showed up en mass moving towards our direction from Rimwards.
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Ah, thank you - I've just been thinking of them as "Nomads". Our goal is to convince them that the Cardassians are a much softer target to go through than us, right?
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Migrant horde-type species who are currently rolling through Lecarre space.
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Do we have confirmation that they came through Lecarre space? If they rode through the spy-fish like a Mongol horde, the other Cardassian clients might not take kindly to out diplomacy twards them.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Not really no.
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That's you're opinion. I'm fine with them avoiding the UFP & Friends in favor of the Klingons or Cardassians.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Do we have confirmation that they came through Lecarre space? If they rode through the spy-fish like a Mongol horde, the other Cardassian clients might not take kindly to out diplomacy twards them.



That's you're opinion. I'm fine with them avoiding the UFP & Friends in favor of the Klingons or Cardassians.
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I think they're just approaching Lacarre space now.

I'm glad that we warned the Dawair, I bet we gave them advanced notice before anyone else from the Ahalla pact did (I may be interested in watching Dwarves verses Mongols tho)
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Not really no.
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...So we want the migrant raider horde to pass through our territory and cause problems, instead of inflicting them on the Cardassians to deal with?

It's not a matter of "we want bad things to happen to the Cardassians", it's "we don't want bad things to happen to us, and of the nearby polities we'd be least upset by them happening to the Cardassians".

EDIT: I'm not okay with sending them in to the Klingons/Romulans AKA an active war zone.
 
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So Tauni are affiliates now it looks like! Excellent. Ashidi roll could have been better. Hopefully we can get some events to boost relations there. Yan-Ros good chance at hitting 300 by years end, either way they will be over 300 at next years snakepit.

Also there are now 5 Starfleet Freighters under construction between various yard, 4 Cargo Ships, 1 Colony Ship and 1 Hospital Ship as well. Big expansion which is nice to see.

Also only our two Excelsiors and maybe some of the Ked Peddah ships are left to repair from the Licori war. I am not tracking completed Ked Peddah ships since we do not know their overall numbers. I am tracking any that start construction though.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I have a problem with the second half of that statement, yes.
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I don't believe we'll be able to convince the migratory nomadic raider horde not to raid as they go, given that it's apparently how they sustain themselves. Therefore, someone's day is going to be ruined. Given that we cannot prevent them from doing this, we have to convince them to go bother someone else instead - which means either the Klingons/Romulans or the Cardassians. Given this set of circumstances, we might as well choose the Cardassians, in the hope that it'll impact their ability to act in the GBZ - it's not a big priority, but pretending it doesn't exist at all is pointless.

I mean, if you want to dress it up you can say that you don't want to send them into the Klingons/Romulans because they're an active war zone, rather than because if someone's going to take a hit it should be the one whose ships we are already blowing up.
 
It seemed to me the entire point of attempting a diplomatic push was to see if they would agree not to raid. You think the Cardassians are going to treat them kindly either? Honestly, if I were them I'd look at a map of the quadrant and just fuck off because there is very little to be gained when facing down over 1500C worth of organized potential enemies who will all gut you utterly if you hurt them. Every single polity they could face off against would absolutely enact disproportionate retribution, and I think that includes us.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It seemed to me the entire point of attempting a diplomatic push was to see if they would agree not to raid. You think the Cardassians are going to treat them kindly either? Honestly, if I were them I'd look at a map of the quadrant and just fuck off because there is very little to be gained when facing down over 1500C worth of organized potential enemies who will all gut you utterly if you hurt them. Every single polity they could face off against would absolutely enact disproportionate retribution, and I think that includes us.
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I mean, being treated unkindly just means repercussions for raiding and a general distrust - the Cardassians can't afford to start a war with a big fleet moving through their territory, they're already spread too thin. In an active warzone though, I could absolutely see the fleet crossing from Klingon to Romulan space starting a major firefight.
 
Void Stalker said:
So Tauni are affiliates now it looks like! Excellent. Ashidi roll could have been better. Hopefully we can get some events to boost relations there. Yan-Ros good chance at hitting 300 by years end, either way they will be over 300 at next years snakepit.
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Very nice. I'd like to spend some effort getting the Honiani & Ked Paddah to 300 when feasible.

@OneirosTheWriter, Is there something special that happens at 300 Reputation?
 
Void Stalker said:
@Briefvoice I would rather refit the Tarrak otherwise it would be 5 years before we could start it and we have no EC ships finishing this year

EC:
- USS Courageous, Excelsior-A-class, 2315-2320
- USS Sarek, Excelsior-class, Veteran, under going refit
- USS S'harien, Excelsior-class 2314-2319
- USS Odyssey, Excelsior-class 2313-2318
- USS Atuin, Excelsior-class 2314-2319
- USS Voshov, Excelsior-class 2315-2320

Tarrak would be 2317 to 2322. Otherwise if we push it back a year with a refit we can then use that same dock to refit the Odyssey in 2318. This would bump either the Excelsior or Kumari from the refit schedule this coming year, and the Plezarria would go and replace which ever one we bring into refit which will keep the GBZ stronger and still let us get 2 done that year. In 2318 we would have two refits finished and two new Excelsior-A done. At that point Odyssey would go in for refit and two of our garrison Excelsior would go in for refit to be replaced by the one new construction and one refit. I figure at that point we can keep rotating out two garrison Excelsiors, replaced by the ones finishing refit until all are in the A refit. EC ships would of course undergo refit as soon as they finish the 5 year mission, so some years we will have 4 Excelsiors undergoing refit (2 normal and 2 EC).
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Okay, if we refit the Sarek with very similar (if not the same) justification, I can go with turning the Tarrak into a 5yr Excelsior-A build.

But regardless of all that...

I just noticed USS Excelsior is still green??? What, after Sulu's 3 year mission back in 2290, they made her the dumping ground for borderline graduates that finagled their way onto an Excelsior billet? She's been in service for 3 decades!
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I mean, being treated unkindly just means repercussions for raiding and a general distrust - the Cardassians can't afford to start a war with a big fleet moving through their territory, they're already spread too thin. In an active warzone though, I could absolutely see the fleet crossing from Klingon to Romulan space starting a major firefight.
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Repercussions for raiding? Repercussions for raiding means their fleet gets attacked and their warships all get blown up. Remember how we treated the Orion Syndicate, known slave raiders? The Cardassians absolutely can take on a 100C fleet and stomp it flat (and they would be a mighty minor power indeed if the Hismeri had 100C). The can absolutely afford to and honestly, must start a war with known raiders if the raiders cross their territory. If they just let them raid it costs legitimacy.
 
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