Errors corrected, thanks. I suppose there might be an ISC option, but I have my doubts. Interactions with great powers are rarely the domain of the Snakepit.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Errors corrected, thanks. I suppose there might be an ISC option, but I have my doubts. Interactions with great powers are rarely the domain of the Snakepit.
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@Briefvoice research colonies are 7 PP so there is some savings. I do agree with another shipyard though my thoughts were on Amarkia or indoria. As for starting the Kepler I want to know how quickly we can add the geo sensor in a refit and what the part stats are.
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pretty much any weapon capable of being useful in a starship fight is going to be capable of wiping out a planet. You can scour a world with passers or disruptors, it would just take a bit longer. Torpedo's seem to be used for bombardment simply because there good at burst damage and that's what you tend to need for an orbital strike.
Eh, I know it's a plan for mining colonies, but I'd still skip the BR colonies in a final plan and I won't vote for one that has them. The trickle of pp isn't really worth-while and no, we don't need BR, just look at the designs we're going to be building. We'd have a better return on investment for a 4th diplomatic push.
I'm aware, and so are they. Sulu's question was more to prompt Zrai to raise any issues. Which she did.
I could have sworn we had two of each type there, but it looks not. Correction issued.
Yes, that was kind of the point of writing it. A bit of a shame if we promote people to Admiral but don't know much about them. ch'Tarvasse hasn't appeared in any omakes either. Well, as part of the mail chain in my event analysis one, but that hardly counts.
e: Should add, I kind of took the idea of the maybe-augmented Chen and ran with it. As to whether the cause of her youth is genetic meddling, that's an open question, she may just be like that even without. But she is certainly one of those young old people.
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I really don't want to hold back the arrival of the Kepler two years over some geo sensors, especially as we can swing right from designing the Kepler to designing the next gen combat frigate.
You should check out the latest version of my sheet (which already has the Kohl II colony figured in) . We actually are starting to right a little tight on BR compared to SR! Maybe not enough to buy two extra BR mining colonies, but I genuinely do think we could use one more BR colony.
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Does that take into the account the potential for trades?
@OneirosTheWriter - would it theoretically be possible to trade ressources with other powers (minor or major)?
Anything is possible, but if a minor power isn't an affiliate yet then either we don't know them very well or there's a reason we won't or can't trade them materials useful for making starships. As for Major Powers, I certainly wouldn't want to make any Klingon/Romulan trades that might be interpreted as taking sides, the Cardassians... (laughs heartily), and we don't know the ISC very well yet.
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As said before I'd pick Proxima Eridani for the easy logistics. Kappa Tau has rather difficult logistics and with the outpost there we already have staked a claim on the system.
I also don't see why we would push the Yan-Ros rather than the Honiani or Ked Paddah who would probably both offer greater benefits as advanced affiliates.
I'm not particularly opposed to a shipyard at Ferasa, but I'm not sure what you mean with "good part of the Federation for it". It's close to our border and would potentially cut down the distance an Explorer has to be dragged for repairs, but the same applies to Rigel, and we should have Rethelia, Fiiral or Arqueniou available as options in a few years. It's close to the Dawiar, but I'd hope they'd stay neutral if we end up at war with the Cardassians, and if they don't we should be able to isolate them rather than allowing the Cardassians to base there, so I don't particularly expect the major battles to be fought there.
As for requesting the start of the Science Frigate project, fine if we don't take that as a commitment to definitely start researching the project this year. I'd want to know the stats of survey sensors and have the question whether to use a module and what that means for the usefulness of upcoming parts resolved before such a commitment.
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Say, is it possible the Cardassians got to them first, and while they're not affiliates, they've been poisoned against the Federation? They might be naturally mistrusting (though not to the extent of the Lecarre) and a bad second-hand impression of us gave them a distinct bias against us.
I thought the plan for the Romulan-Klingon War was to wait for the Romulans to be loosing and desperately looking for a way out and then offer them Affiliate status.
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So it stands to reason they are located on the opposite side of ISC. Otherwise, I think the Yan-Ros/Honiani would have mentioned them.
Wait what if they are talking about the Ferengi?!
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Don't think this means you've won!
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I still want to see what the new stats for the heavy industry are before I vote for it. 115 pp could get us a lot of other things. A budget increase would be nice, for instance.
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Well, the Gaeni took forever to mention the Licori, and while the Ferengi are opportunistic, poisoning a civilization against outside contact to this degree seems very bad for business. It's probably not them, or at least not all them.
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Doubt it. The ferengi aren't the type to launch a military attack against a peer power.
Meeting the ferengi could definitely poison your mind against aliens, but your learned reaction would be less "don't say anything, send a big fleet to escort them in" and more "tell them to fuck off, we don't want whatever they're selling."
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Frankly there's enough anti-BR colony sentiment that we might not be able to get either. I could argue for one, but not sure I want to fight the tide in arguing for two.
I gave my reason, which is that the Yan-Ros are the closest of our affiliates to the ISC and a strong Federation presence with the Yan-Ros is likely to be convenient for diplomacy and trade (and espionage) on the ISC.
Though if you want to talk advanced affiliate benefits, the other two will likely offer much better benefits in terms of starship materials and crew, but the Yan-Ros seem more likely to offer more unique narrative benefits similar to the Betazoids. (Except close combat teams rather than telepaths.)
It's the closest shipyard we have the option to build to our rimward border. And while those other locations you mention will indeed be options in a few years, a few years + a few years to order and actually get the shipyards there built, and now you're actually talking about quite some time in the future.
At this point I'm hoping desperately that the survey sensors are a huge sized part that's not practical to fit on anything but an Explorer, just so they'll stop being this awful anchor on our ability to get a Science ship going. Curse their existence in the tech tree! Curse it!
Well I'm just taking it as read that Oneiros will revise to make them worth it.
Has Oneiros actually come out and said what they're supposed to do or if they're worth it yet?
ADMIRAL WENLAI: Yes, because the Senate is well known for reacting sanely to extortion tactics rather than, say, lashing out wildly in self-destructive ways using us poor Imperial Star Navy as their club. (puts feet on desk) Please don't make me fight the Federation and the crazy tactics they love to pull with their "Explorers". The only way to stop that unpredictability is to turn it back on- Hmmm. Hmmm. Well, okay I have a few ideas, but I'd really rather we could all live in peace.
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I would like to point out Honiani are only 4 pts shy of 300 so with the annual roll will go over. If we push any affiliate I would like the Laio as they are only a bit over 100 and all the others are over 200.
Also I think adding a single br colony would be solid and allow us to grab something else as well.
Also I think adding a single br colony would be solid and allow us to grab something else as well.
Forget Matter and Antimatter, those two would annihilate just as well the moment they touch.
Re: ch'Tarvasse, if he's such an expert at diplomacy, maybe we could make a position for him to serve as coordinator with the FDS? They have been, shall we say unhappy, with our recent cooperation.
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For me I want to know what they do fully before making a decision. With all the other parts it is easier to see the impact of another tier opening up on ship design.
I'm just saying, if the Romulans had to choose between being conquered by the Klingons and being absorbed by the Federation, I think they'd chose us.
Besides, the Federation has a fantastic fashion sense.
UFP (2314)
The United Federation of Planets' membership - and fashion paradigm - as of the year 2314. From left to right: Rigelians, Humans, Andorians, Caitians, Vulcans, Tellarites, Apiata, Indorians, Amarki, Betazoids.
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I am perfectly fine with just letting our associates move towards membership at their own speed without pushes. In fact, I would prefer to abstain from pushing associates so that we can have some break after the membership rush that will occur in 2318.
What about the Obar? They sit at 65. Can we diplo-push them?
What about the Obar? They sit at 65. Can we diplo-push them?
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For us it's better if the Klingon's "absorb" them.
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Are you certain?