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Briefvoice said:
My main concern is if third party sentients are on the line. Cardassians are aggressively harassing other races in the area. If our ship decides it's necessary to risk hull damage to save them, or because the situation otherwise seems to call for it, I want them to have that flexibility.
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Mmm, that's a good point. Maybe something like "Ships should withdraw the moment shields are lost, UNLESS a third-party vessel would be endangered by withdrawal."

EDIT: the only problem with this is the Cardassians could easily use this to manipulate us into a trap.
 
10ebbor10 said:
See, this supports a point I brought up some time earlier, as for why we don't want to bring in too many people at once. We need to defend those sectors as well, and getting too many people at once could thus overwhelm our available vessels.
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And Betazed won't come with its own convenient Starbase. Well... right now we have about 19D in excess of requirements, so we could handle Betazed if we had to. But I sure hope we don't have any more ships taken out of service for a while. We should definitely consider ordering some more Starbases next Snakepit; it's the best way to increase Defense while more ships are being built. We could build one premptively around Betazed, and the CBZ or RBZ would also be excellent choices.
 
10ebbor10 said:
See, this supports a point I brought up some time earlier, as for why we don't want to bring in too many people at once. We need to defend those sectors as well, and getting too many people at once could thus overwhelm our available vessels.
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We should prioritize getting them to 300, but stop pushing there. We get much of the benefit without unduly increasing responsibilities.
 
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Briefvoice said:
And Betazed won't come with its own convenient Starbase. Well... right now we have about 19D in excess of requirements, so we could handle Betazed if we had to. But I sure hope we don't have any more ships taken out of service for a while. We should definitely consider ordering some more Starbases next Snakepit; it's the best way to increase Defense while more ships are being built. We could build one premptively around Betazed, and the CBZ or RBZ would also be excellent choices.
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CBZ starbase is an excellent idea. Ditto RBZ.

Not sure if we can premptively build a Betazed Starbase.
Nix said:
We prioritize getting them to 300, but stop pushing there. We get much of the benefit without unduly increasing responsibilities.
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Sounds good.
 
Briefvoice said:
And Betazed won't come with its own convenient Starbase. Well... right now we have about 19D in excess of requirements, so we could handle Betazed if we had to. But I sure hope we don't have any more ships taken out of service for a while. We should definitely consider ordering some more Starbases next Snakepit; it's the best way to increase Defense while more ships are being built. We could build one premptively around Betazed, and the CBZ or RBZ would also be excellent choices.
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Betazed is part of the Sol sector, so it hopefully won't have any new defense requirements. It would be a good place to put a second starbase in the Sol sector, though. Maybe we can get a discount on putting one at the site of an existing outpost?
 
Briefvoice said:
And Betazed won't come with its own convenient Starbase.
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Er, it has a defense requirement of D0 and it has a local fleet - or I think it's local - and Sol sector garrison is patrolling both Sol and Betazed now. Why does it need more?

OneirosTheWriter said:
- Installations: Shipyard (1x1mt berth, 1x 400kt berth), Outpost
- Currently: 2 Betazoid Cruisers, 6 Betazoid Patrollers
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1) What does the Outpost do?

2) Are those "currently" Betazoid ships the local fleet that Starfleet does NOT control? or are they added to Starfleet?
Contrast that with Amarkia which list the Amarkian ships as "local currently".

3) What are their stats?

4) That 400kt berth is going to be hard to use - only Oberths fit there

OneirosTheWriter said:
- [Local Currently: 2 Riala Explorers, 3 Modern Amarkia Cruisers, 2 Old Amarkia Cruisers, 3 Light Escorts, 3 Heavy Escorts]
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Does someone have a link to the Amarkian ship stats?
 
10ebbor10 said:
See, this supports a point I brought up some time earlier, as for why we don't want to bring in too many people at once. We need to defend those sectors as well, and getting too many people at once could thus overwhelm our available vessels.
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True, although this requirement shouldn't cause us to slow down on advanced affiliates, just slow the rate of full members to a manageable level.
 
Nix said:
Betazed is part of the Sol sector, so it hopefully won't have any new defense requirements. It would be a good place to put a second starbase in the Sol sector, though. Maybe we can get a discount on putting one at the site of an existing outpost?
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Will probably have at least some requirements. OTOH, we should deploy a Starbase there anyway.
 
[X][FLEET] Plan Cover CBZ and Amarkia
[X][ORDERS] Write in: Patrol into unclaimed space, don't initiate contact with Cardassians, but don't back down either unless outgunned.
[X][ROE] Return fire in all circumstances
[X][RISK] Write in - Captain may make their own judgment based on strength of opposition and the situation

I wonder what will happen once the Amarkians officially join the Federation. They have a lot of ships, won't their Defense values count for Defense requirements?
 
[X][FLEET] Plan Cover CBZ and Amarkia
[X][ORDERS] Write in: Patrol into unclaimed space, don't initiate contact with Cardassians, but don't back down either unless outgunned.
[X][ROE] Return fire in all circumstances
[X][RISK] Write in - Captain may make their own judgment based on strength of opposition and the situation
 
lbmaian said:
Er, it has a defense requirement of D0 and it has a local fleet - or I think it's local - and Sol sector garrison is patrolling both Sol and Betazed now. Why does it need more?
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Amarkia had D0, and has it's own fleet, until it hit 500, at which point it became a candidate with a D9 defense requirement. The D9 rather than D6 is likely due to it being the primary world in the new sector.
 
Gingganz said:
[X][FLEET] Plan Cover CBZ and Amarkia
[X][ORDERS] Write in: Patrol into unclaimed space, don't initiate contact with Cardassians, but don't back down either unless outgunned.
[X][ROE] Return fire in all circumstances
[X][RISK] Write in - Captain may make their own judgment based on strength of opposition and the situation

I wonder what will happen once the Amarkians officially join the Federation. They have a lot of ships, won't their Defense values count for Defense requirements?
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I doubt it as the United Earth Navy, Andorian Imperial Guard have ships but don't contribute to the defense requirement.
 
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lbmaian said:
Er, it has a defense requirement of D0 and it has a local fleet - or I think it's local - and Sol sector garrison is patrolling both Sol and Betazed now. Why does it need more?
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Nix said:
Betazed is part of the Sol sector, so it hopefully won't have any new defense requirements. It would be a good place to put a second starbase in the Sol sector, though. Maybe we can get a discount on putting one at the site of an existing outpost?
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What seems most logical to me is that there will be a Defense requirement for Betazoid once it's a full member, but it might get a "discount" for being in Sol Sector so that it's only D6 instead of the now-standard D9, or something like that.

As for discounts, remember that it's political will, not resources, so discounts will come more from perceived need than anything else.
 
cast2007 said:
I doubt it as the United Earth Navy, Andorian Imperial Guard have ships but don't contribute to putt defense requirement.
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They don't count towards meeting the defense requirements put on starfleet, but they probably influence what requirements are set in the first place. Like, maybe the Amarki sector would have a requirement of 15 if their fleet was weaker.
 
Aw, looks like we won't be getting any more rp from the Amarki joining the Federation. Nice amounts of br, sr, some pp, and crew though.
Pending Ratification: +30br, +15sr, +5pp, O1/E1/T1, +.25/+.25/+.25 Explorer Corps
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Speaking of diplomacy, affiliates, and non-affiliates... it's been over 2 years since the Biophage Crisis ended. We've ignored Sotaw (who didn't get hit during the Biophage Crisis, IIRC, or at least not badly) and Kadesh (who did) for over 2 years. And this after Kadesh had gotten it's homeworld infested and destroyed by the Biophage, and then had to flee to a new world -- things we could have helped them with. :(

I always felt like we just went "Okay, met you, helped save you from total destruction at the hands of the Biophage, now bye!" and kind of winced at how we - apparently - didn't think it a good idea to offer any help to the species that had just lost their home planet. (Because, what, offering help and support and defense to somebody who probably could really really use it was "opportunistic" instead of "compassionate and good"?)

But anyway. One of the reasons people gave for not checking up on Kadesh was because they didn't want to do it immediately. Something about 'let them find a new home first and settle there before we come in'. (And then Betazed and Amarkia started being Diplomatically pushed and people wanted to focus on that.) Well, it's been 2 years now. And Amarkia is about to become a full Federation member.

So, can we finally go check up on the Kadeshi?
 
[X][FLEET] Plan Cover CBZ and Amarkia
[X][ORDERS] Write in: Patrol into unclaimed space, don't initiate contact with Cardassians, but don't back down either unless outgunned.
[X][ROE] Return fire in all circumstances
[X][RISK] Ships should withdraw the moment shields are lost
 
Garlak said:
Speaking of diplomacy, affiliates, and non-affiliates... it's been over 2 years since the Biophage Crisis ended. We've ignored Sotaw (who didn't get hit during the Biophage Crisis, IIRC, or at least not badly) and Kadesh (who did) for over 2 years. And this after Kadesh had gotten it's homeworld infested and destroyed by the Biophage, and then had to flee to a new world -- things we could have helped them with. :(

I always felt like we just went "Okay, met you, helped save you from total destruction at the hands of the Biophage, now bye!" and kind of winced at how we - apparently - didn't think it a good idea to offer any help to the species that had just lost their home planet. (Because, what, offering help and support and defense to somebody who probably could really really use it was "opportunistic" instead of "compassionate and good"?)

But anyway. One of the reasons people gave for not checking up on Kadesh was because they didn't want to do it immediately. Something about 'let them find a new home first and settle there before we come in'. (And then Betazed and Amarkia started being Diplomatically pushed and people wanted to focus on that.) Well, it's been 2 years now. And Amarkia is about to become a full Federation member.

So, can we finally go check up on the Kadeshi?
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Starfleet != the Federation. Reconstruction and rebuilding isn't really under our purview. The only interaction we control with them is increased diplomacy, which doesn't aid them until we reach affiliate status. So Starfleet hasn't done much with the Kadeshi because the things they need aren't something we have the authority to grant.

And there's a very good reason to not pursue ties with the Sotaw yet. They're in the neutral zone, so drawing them into our influence is projecting Federation influence onto the Romulan's doorstep. Relations with the Romulans are still a delicate thing, and making a perceived power push for the Neutral Zone would negate all our efforts to normalize relations. Maybe in a few decades when tensions on the border are low.
 
Garlak said:
Speaking of diplomacy, affiliates, and non-affiliates... it's been over 2 years since the Biophage Crisis ended. We've ignored Sotaw (who didn't get hit during the Biophage Crisis, IIRC, or at least not badly) and Kadesh (who did) for over 2 years. And this after Kadesh had gotten it's homeworld infested and destroyed by the Biophage, and then had to flee to a new world -- things we could have helped them with. :(

I always felt like we just went "Okay, met you, helped save you from total destruction at the hands of the Biophage, now bye!" and kind of winced at how we - apparently - didn't think it a good idea to offer any help to the species that had just lost their home planet. (Because, what, offering help and support and defense to somebody who probably could really really use it was "opportunistic" instead of "compassionate and good"?)

But anyway. One of the reasons people gave for not checking up on Kadesh was because they didn't want to do it immediately. Something about 'let them find a new home first and settle there before we come in'. (And then Betazed and Amarkia started being Diplomatically pushed and people wanted to focus on that.) Well, it's been 2 years now. And Amarkia is about to become a full Federation member.

So, can we finally go check up on the Kadeshi?
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The Sotaw are inside the Neutral Zone, so a diplomatic push could jeopardize relations with the Romulans. I'm not opposed to pushing the Kadeshi, though. If we can still do 4 pushes next year they seem a reasonable enough choice after the Orions, Caldonians and Gaeni.
 
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