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Nix said:
Pretty tempted to do two concurrent Ambassador prototype builds, take advantage of Chen's bonus, and call one of them the USS Ambassador and the other one USS Enterprise.
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If at all possible I would agree, even if it would cost more or the second ambassador had, say, half an year to an year delay on the first, to give some shake down cruises for the first.
 
MTB said:
@crew - it kind of feels wrong to me to split them up.
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Eh.
The next Excelsior isn't even coming into service until 2317Q1. There's no reason to keep the crew hanging around doing nothing that long, and mechanically it's more beneficial to boost three ships by +1 than to boost one ship by +2.
 
Nix said:
Pretty tempted to do two concurrent Ambassador prototype builds, take advantage of Chen's bonus, and call one of them the USS Ambassador and the other one USS Enterprise.
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After having spent some time looking over prototyping and some new ships in other fleets, I'd be amenable to allowing that, especially as the lessons learned from Excelsiors in LBZ/GBZ are examined.

trooperist said:
So wait, what happened to the surviving crew of the Daedalus Enterprise?
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Came back on the Lion.
 
Derek58 said:
Agreed. I'd like to put them all on the next Excelsior that completes and send them right back out on another 5YM. If everyone wants to, of course.
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Or let them in on the design and implementation work for the next Enterprise?
Basically give them the option to help the next Ambassador Enterprise to be even better, and they would begin another 5 YM on it.
 
I vote to split the crew. Put them on our three greenest EC ships, not counting Captain Dudebro's since that'll level up fast enough on its own.

Nix said:
Pretty tempted to do two concurrent Ambassador prototype builds, take advantage of Chen's bonus, and call one of them the USS Ambassador and the other one USS Enterprise.
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Can we even do that?

EDIT: apparently, we can. Let's do that.
 
Nix said:
Pretty tempted to do two concurrent Ambassador prototype builds, take advantage of Chen's bonus, and call one of them the USS Ambassador and the other one USS Enterprise.
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I'd quite like to do this; any Enterprise will tend to end up pretty heavily modified anyway, so building it in the prototype stage shouldn't be much of an issue. Hopefully.
OTOH, it feels a bit gamebreaking to build two at once and get a time discount.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
It might also be somewhat intimidating to other Federation enemies, such as the Syndraxians or the Cardassians - "they declared war and it was over in six months with few losses"
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o:< "I dunno, from where I sit, y'all lost your flagship, a bunch of frigates, had multiple battlecruisers outright disabled, had your fancy new cruiser damaged, and exposed some political faultlines, all in a war of choice - and you may have wound up just giving the Romulans a fancy new puppet. Even if not, knowing you, you're not going to exploit your conquest. Did you enjoy your little war? Because we did."
 
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o:< "I dunno, from where I sit, y'all lost your flagship, a bunch of frigates, had multiple battlecruisers outright disabled, had your fancy new cruiser damaged, and exposed some political faultlines, all in a war of choice - and you may have wound up just giving the Romulans a fancy new puppet. Even if not, knowing you, you're not going to exploit your conquest. Did you enjoy your little war? Because we did."
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*pulls the Kadak-Tor out of storage and waves it while sticking her tongue out*
 
We should use our PP bonus to get a heavy industry park in Sol so that between that and Chen pur prototype Ambassadores will just fly out of the yards in no time at all.

(GIB ENT PRIZE FAN IT)
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
After having spent some time looking over prototyping and some new ships in other fleets, I'd be amenable to allowing that, especially as the lessons learned from Excelsiors in LBZ/GBZ are examined.
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Ok, since it's mechanically possible let's look at how we can make it work. We need two free 3mt berths at the same shipyard and quite a lot of SR.

UP has just started two Excelsior-A builds so the only real option for the shipyard is 40 Eridani A. It has the prepairs/refits of the Endurance and the Sourjourner scheduled to start next quarter in the 3mt berths, so we need to move those eslewhere. Lor'Vela berth A is open so we can move one of those there, SF berth A opens up in a quarter so that means a bit of a delay.

As for SR, I think we need to make a snake-pit request next year, either Excelsior resource request or a new option. Hopefully we can start in Q1 despite not enough resources being available. If we can trade something for SR in the MWCO turn that would help a lot, too.
 
[X] Plan 2315.Q3 to 2316.Q3 Fleet Distribution

Fleet Strength Changes
Miranda-A (SF Berth 1) complete 2316.Q1
Miranda-A (SF Berth 2) complete 2316.Q1
Dryad (Miranda) goes into refit 2316.Q1
Lion (Miranda) goes into refit 2316.Q1
Renaissance (Renaissance) returns from repair 2316.Q1
Renaissance-class (UP Berth 1) complete 2316.Q3
Renaissance-class (UP Berth 2) complete 2316.Q3
Renaissance-class (UP Berth 3) complete 2316.Q3
Endurance (Excelsior-A) returns from repair/refit 2316.Q3
Sojourner (Excelsior-A) returns from repair/refit 2316.Q3
Docana (Constellation) begins refit (UP Berth 2) 2316.Q3
Challorn (Constellation) begins refit (UP Berth 3) 2316.Q3

Sol Sector – Requires D18
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 1 Miranda (2) [Dryad], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 15D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Pathfinder], 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], 2 Starbase I (10) [Earth, Betazed] = 19D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: Pathfinder arrives from LBZ to Sol, Dryad goes to Rigel.
Vulcan Sector – Requires D12
  • Current - 1 Constellation (3) [Sappho], Starbase I (5) = 8D
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Constellation (3) [Sappho], 2 Miranda (4) [Svai, Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 12D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: Svai/Calypso arrive from LBZ.
Andor Sector – Requires D9
  • Current - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], Starbase I (5) = 8D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5) = 11D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3 – 1 Constitution-A [Huascar], [Starbase I (5) = 10D
  • Notes: Winterwind arrives in 2315.Q3. In Q3, Docana sent to refit and Huascar comes from Ferasa, Winterwind goes to GBZ.
Tellar Sector – Requires D9
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Miranda (2) [Lion], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 15D
  • 2316.Q1 – Constellation (3) [Stalwart], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 13D.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: Lion comes in 2315.Q3, goes into refit 2316.Q1.
Amarkia Sector – Requires D9
  • Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 12D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Constellation (3) [Kearsage], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning] Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • Notes: In 2315.Q3, Lightning comes in from LBZ.
Ferasa Sector – Requires D12
  • Current – 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 8D
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Huascar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 13D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3- 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 14D
  • Notes: In 2315.Q3, Huascar comes in from GBZ. In 2316.Q3, Sojourner comes in from repair and Huascar goes to the Andor Sector.
Rigel Sector – Requires D9
  • Current – Starbase I (5) = 6D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Miranda (2) [Dryad], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya], Starbase I (5) = 10D
  • 2316.Q1 – 1 Renaissance (5) [Renaissance], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya], Starbase I (5) = 13D
  • 2316.Q3 – 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya] Starbase I (5) = 14D
  • Notes: Selaya sent from SBZ. Dryad sent from Sol, then goes into refit in Q1. In Q1, Renaissance comes in. In 2316.Q3 Endurance arrives and Renaissance sent to Gabriel Border zone.
Apinae Sector – Requires D12
  • Current - 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae], Extra Outposts [5] = 13D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae], Extra Outposts [5] = 18D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In 2315.Q3, Valiant comes in from GBZ.
Romulan Border Zone – Requires D12
  • Current – 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], Starbase I (5) = 8D
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Cloudburst], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire], Starbase I (5) = 15D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In Q1 Excelsior and Inspire sent back from LBZ.
Klingon Border Zone – Requires D6
  • Current – 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon] = D3
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Typhoon], 1 Oberth (1) [Hawking] = D10
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In Q1 Thirishar and Hawking send back from LBZ.
Cardassian Border Zone – Requires D10
  • Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 16D
  • 2315.Q3 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Oberth (1) [T'Mir], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 12D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In 2315.Q3, T'Mir returns from LBZ and Cheron sent to SBZ.
Sydraxian Border Zone – Requires D9
  • Current - 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Yukikaze], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 11D
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Yukikaze], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 13D
  • 2316.Q1 – Noc hange.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: In 2315.Q3, Cheron comes from CBZ and Selaya send to Rigel sector.
Gabriel Border Zone – Requirement Left to Starfleet judgment
  • Current - 2 Excelsiors (6) [Avandar, Kumari], 7 Constitution-B (35) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic, Valiant, Huascar], 1 Constellation [Challorn], 7 Miranda-A (14) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield] = 73C.
  • 2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (6) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation [Challorn], 7 Miranda-A (14) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield] = 63 C.
  • 2316.Q1 - 2 Excelsiors (6) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 69 C.
  • 2316.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (6) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, UP Berth 1, UP Berth 2, UP Berth 3], 1 Centaur-A (3) [WInterwind], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 88 C.
  • Notes: Valiant and Huascar used for garrison duty in 2315.Q3. Renaissance and 3 new Renaissance builds added in 2316.Q3, Winterwind comes in, and Challorn sent to refit.
Licori Border Zone – Requires D20
  • Current – 9 Excelsiors (48) [Enterprise, Sarek, Courageous, Endurance, Excelsior, Thirishar, Rru'adorr, Pathfinder, Sojourner], 1 Renaissance (5) [Renaissance], 2 Miranda (4) [Svai, Calypso], 3 Centaur-A (9) [Winterwind, Lightning, Gale], 2 Constitution-B (10) [Lexington, Hood], 4 Oberth (4) [Torbriel, Hawking, Inspire, T'Mir]
  • 2315.Q3 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Rru'adorr], 2 Constitution-B (10) [Lexington, Hood], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel] = 20D
  • 2316.Q1 – No change.
  • 2316.Q3 – No change.
  • Notes: Ships retained as noted above. Rest of fleet dispersed through Federation.
 
Glassware said:
I'd like to do the opposite. Let's make Sarek and Courageous into Elite ships, boost S'harien up to Blooded.
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S'Harien is Blooded.
I'd vote to pump S'Harien to Veteran, Odyssey and Voshov to Blooded.
I guess I could compromise and swap Odyssey for Sarek. But I personally feel like it's more useful to get as many ships performing better as possible, rather than to have the best ships perform even better.
 
The Odyssey should have made a lot of progress towards blooded status already, would assigning one +1 bonus have her start at zero progress towards veteran or would she keep the progress?
 
How would the splitting up of the crew work mechanically? The Explorer crew pool is adjusted and the selected ships get +1 crew rating?
 
Briefvoice said:
Ferasa Sector – Requires D12
  • 2316.Q3- 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5) = 14D
Rigel Sector – Requires D9
  • 2316.Q3 – 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Endurance], 1 Constellation (3) [Selaya] Starbase I (5) = 14D
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Why are you keeping our Excelsior-As outside the GBZ? I'd rather send them to the active warzone than guarding Ferasa and Rigel.

I'd also suggest swapping Docana and Sappho, and sending Sappho in for refit. Docana's already Blooded, and this way Vulcan and Andor both have a responder with P3/S3 (Winterwind and Docana, respectively).
 
Maybe we should name a new Excelsior Miracht, give it the old Enterprise crew and see if it survives. :rofl:

But seriously, I think we need to have at least one veteran ship. The utility value is immense. Does anyone remember sending the Enterprise in to hack a cardassian listening post?
 
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anon_user said:
Why are you keeping our Excelsior-As outside the GBZ? I'd rather send them to the active warzone than guarding Ferasa and Rigel.

I'd also suggest swapping Docana and Sappho, and sending Sappho in for refit. Docana's already Blooded, and this way Vulcan and Andor both have a responder with P3/S3 (Winterwind and Docana, respectively).
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Because Excelsior-As are better for Event response than for fighting in active warzones. They're more expensive to repair and that godly Presence score just doesn't matter that much.

I actually prioritize Blooded ships for refits, because that way their bonuses are even higher... Though no lie, if we build two Ambassadors next year I may have to cancel some of the planned refits.
 
Briefvoice said:
Because Excelsior-As are better for Event response than for fighting in active warzones. They're more expensive to repair and that godly Presence score just doesn't matter that much.

I actually prioritize Blooded ships for refits, because that way their bonuses are even higher... Though no lie, if we build two Ambassadors next year I may have to cancel some of the planned refits.
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Plan on us going two ambassadors. What does that put us at resource wise?

[X] Plan 2315.Q3 to 2316.Q3 Fleet Distribution

Also for splitting crew, green ones would work best in my view since they have the most trouble passing events, then blooded then veteran.

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Actually, Courageous is the refit model? I would say then give the two greens (not Stargazer) a +1 and Courageous a +1 to make it Elite on the Excelsior-A platform. That helps our two newest ships pass events more often and gives us a top of the line explorer ship for when we need something done.
 
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