To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

Goat · May 14, 2017

AlphaDelta said:
I'm assuming the Council wasn't stupid, and didn't scrap all of the Constitutions, Soyuzes, and Mirandas.

The Constitutions (in this continuity) have already been picked over for any re-useable parts. Those that were found are currently part of the Connie-B series.

The Soyuzes were death traps and were dismantled.

We have not retired any Mirandas yet - they have either been destroyed or refitted.

Edit: Lecarre ninjas

Simon_Jester · May 14, 2017

Goat said:
The Constitutions (in this continuity) have already been picked over for any re-useable parts. Those that were found are currently part of the Connie-B series.

Exceptions: The Enterprise-A was left largely as-is, with serious consideration of designating her as a museum ship if she could be rendered safe for civilians without safety gear. The Potemkin was left as-is during the initial run of plundering old Constitution-As for spare parts due to a harebrained notion of Admiral Sulu's that was later rejected. There might be one or two others, but I don't know about them.

Neither ship is serviceable, even for training or damage control practice. Because the hull girders and frames throughout the saucer, engineering hull, and nacelle struts have been reduced to a loosely connected mass of tritanium filings and microfractures. The ship would hold together with the structural integrity field turned on, but any undue hiccup or stress and you'd have tens of thousands of tons of jagged metal dust fragments puffing out of the hull as it physically disintegrated.

Aside from Potemkin and the Enterprise-A, the bulk of the other Connies in storage were plundered for spares, and are consequently missing nacelles, warp cores, and other critical machinery. If they aren't (e.g. Constitution herself), it's because that machinery wasn't in serviceable condition to begin with.

OneirosTheWriter · May 14, 2017

4.5hrs to go on this vote.

Nervos Belli · May 15, 2017

Technically speaking, as I recall, the issues with the Soyuz was the warp cores becoming unstable, so in theory you could replace it with a fusion reactor and use them to practice impulse manuvering and other in-system tasks. Still, it'd be fairly expensive for limited utility.

Briefvoice · May 15, 2017

Nervos Belli said:
Technically speaking, as I recall, the issues with the Soyuz was the warp cores becoming unstable, so in theory you could replace it with a fusion reactor and use them to practice impulse manuvering and other in-system tasks. Still, it'd be fairly expensive for limited utility.

Just as a reminder, we also had the option to replace the warp cores and return them to good operation. We chose not to do so, but it's not like they were unfixable.

Briefvoice · May 15, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
4.5hrs to go on this vote.

Just to make sure, can we assume that anything we voted on in prior Arcadian War votes is still ongoing?

Specifically, we did assign an internal diplomatic team to do a recruitment drive. Are we still getting 2O/2E/2T from that?

lbmaian · May 15, 2017

Unless Federation and Starfleet simulators are so advanced that they would suffice for training, there is realistically no way that the Federation does not already have training ships. Not with the level of skill and training that we see exemplified in Starfleet so far.

I consider training ships as a behind-the-scenes abstraction that already exists. They're probably old and warp-downgraded Soyuz, Miranda, Constellations, Ranger, and Constitutions*.

I don't think it's something we need to specifically ask for. Unlike logistics, there has been no game mechanics related to training ships shown at all so far. If it does manifest at all, I expect to be along the lines as an aside request for "mothballing" an old yet still more modern ship in some Academy steering committee vote or something.

* Even with the omake-ized destructive hull strengthening and attempted reuse of as much old existing Constitution components for the Connie-B, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very downgraded version of a Constitution floating around, perhaps one of the original non-A Constitutions that never got any hull strengthening that accompanied the A refit.

Steven Kodaly · May 15, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
Fortunately, it does seem like one way or another we'll be able to wind down from the Licori War, rather than having it become a protracted slog like the Orion campaign.

This is the war that never ends,
It just goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started fighting it
Not knowing what it was,
Now they'll just keep on fighting it
Forever just because
This is the war that never ends...

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I think this is my favorite

Ohh, that one's nice.

Simon_Jester · May 15, 2017

lbmaian said:
Unless Federation and Starfleet simulators are so advanced that they would suffice for training, there is realistically no way that the Federation does not already have training ships. Not with the level of skill and training that we see exemplified in Starfleet so far.

Agreed.

I consider training ships as a behind-the-scenes abstraction that already exists. They're probably old and warp-downgraded Soyuz, Miranda, Constellations, Ranger, and Constitutions*.

I don't think it's something we need to specifically ask for. Unlike logistics, there has been no game mechanics related to training ships shown at all so far. If it does manifest at all, I expect to be along the lines as an aside request for "mothballing" an old yet still more modern ship in some Academy steering committee vote or something.

* Even with the omake-ized destructive hull strengthening and attempted reuse of as much old existing Constitution components for the Connie-B, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very downgraded version of a Constitution floating around, perhaps one of the original non-A Constitutions that never got any hull strengthening that accompanied the A refit.

Headcanon: THAT is what happened to USS Constitution herself. And there were a few other Connies left disabled during the TOS era under conditions that would make them refurbishable but marginally so, I suspect.

It may also be what happened to the original Miranda or (more likely) Constellation. Constellations make good training ships because they require so many people to operate.

AKuz · May 15, 2017

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Interestingly there are a number of good posters along those lines, at least on a casual google search for starfleet posters.

e: I think this is my favorite:

From San Diego Comic-Con 2016 apparently

That's gorgeous! Thanks for the find.

Theunderbolt · May 15, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
I'd imagine that recruiting posters for Starfleet would look rather more like the intro sequence to Voyager, to be honest, rather than anything that draws from Lord Kitchener or Uncle Sam. Quasars on view screens, ships coasting over the rings of gas giants, flying alongside space whales.

I see that even in the future we can't escape the dreaded lens flare.

UbeOne · May 15, 2017

Theunderbolt said:
I see the even in the future we can't escape the dreaded lens flare.

It's actually part of the design.

Night · May 15, 2017

Look, anti-reflective coatings for cameras that can see the kind of bizarre space anomaly we deal with are hard.

OneirosTheWriter · May 15, 2017

Vote closed! Where did we end up?

MTB · May 15, 2017

@OneirosTheWriter - Inserted tally

Adhoc vote count started by MTB on May 15, 2017 at 5:15 AM, finished with 47201 posts and 64 votes.

54 people have voted
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- MTB
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- Thors_Alumni
- Derek58
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- cast2007
- Mr Tebbs
- Chaos Blade
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- Nervos Belli
- Random Member
- Briefvoice
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- nocarename
- Nix
- Iron Wolf
- Gingganz
... and 14 more.
45 people have voted
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- MTB
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- Goat
- Thors_Alumni
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- cast2007
- Finagle007
- Chaos Blade
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- Nervos Belli
- Random Member
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- Gingganz
- Theunderbolt
- Chimeraguard
- Leila Hann
- aledeth
- aeqnai
- Gadjo
- pheonix89
... and 5 more.
35 people have voted
[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- cast2007
- Chaos Blade
- Nervos Belli
- Random Member
- Briefvoice
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- Nix
- Iron Wolf
- Gingganz
- Theunderbolt
- aeqnai
- Gadjo
- pheonix89
- SynchronizedWritersBlock
- Broccoliccoli
- Aeondrac
- lbmaian
35 people have voted
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- Mr Tebbs
- Chaos Blade
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- Briefvoice
- nocarename
- Iron Wolf
- Chimeraguard
- aeqnai
- Gadjo
- pheonix89
- SynchronizedWritersBlock
- Broccoliccoli
- KnightDisciple
- lbmaian
- Gnarker
- Muer'ci
34 people have voted
[X][KED] Allow the Ked Paddah to destroy the research station debris.
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- Thors_Alumni
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- cast2007
- Nervos Belli
- Random Member
- Briefvoice
- nocarename
- Iron Wolf
- Gingganz
- Theunderbolt
- JesseJ
- Chimeraguard
- Leila Hann
- aeqnai
- Gadjo
- pheonix89
- SynchronizedWritersBlock
- Broccoliccoli
- KnightDisciple
- Vebyast
- Muer'ci
32 people have voted
[X][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- Void Stalker
- Driven by Apathy
- Tylonius
- Night
- Gravitas Hunt
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- Goat
- Thors_Alumni
- Derek58
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- Finagle007
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- Random Member
- Briefvoice
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- PauliExklusor
- dacsan
- Theunderbolt
- JesseJ
- Chimeraguard
- aledeth
- KnightDisciple
29 people have voted
[X][MISC] Have retired Admiral Kahurangi start appealing for recruits for Starfleet and the member world fleets.
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- MTB
- Thors_Alumni
- Derek58
- Mr Tebbs
- Finagle007
- HearthBorn
- Nervos Belli
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- nocarename
- Nix
- Iron Wolf
- Gingganz
- PauliExklusor
- dacsan
- Theunderbolt
- Leila Hann
- DarknessSmiles
- aeqnai
- Gadjo
- pheonix89
- SynchronizedWritersBlock
- Broccoliccoli
- Vebyast
- Aeondrac
- lbmaian
25 people have voted
[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- MTB
- Simon_Jester
- Jrin
- Goat
- Derek58
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- Mr Tebbs
- Finagle007
- Chaos Blade
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- LaggPlaguedDuke
- Katsuragi
- PauliExklusor
- dacsan
- aledeth
- Aeondrac
- lbmaian
24 people have voted
[x][MISC] Start a discreet program of tachyon tracking devices along the main routes between Arcadian star systems, like in Orion space.
- MTB
- Goat
- AKuz
- Winged One
- Steven Kodaly
- Weird Guy
- Muramasa
- Jenny
- Wellhello
- Glassware
- ctulhuslp
- HearthBorn
- Chaos Blade
- Nervos Belli
- Random Member
- nocarename
- Iron Wolf
- PauliExklusor
- dacsan
- JesseJ
- Leila Hann
- aledeth
- Gnarker
- Muer'ci
20 people have voted
[X][LAIO] Focus on the Advanced Laian Research Institute - They have worked with a number of mentats in the past, and may be able to help unknot some of their superscience traps
- tryrar
- Chacmon
- CyberFemme
- Forgothrax
- Goat
- Thors_Alumni
- Derek58
- Mr Tebbs
- Finagle007
- NHO
- karmaoa
- ClawClawBite
- Artemis1992
- PauliExklusor
- dacsan
- JesseJ
- Chimeraguard
- Leila Hann
- aledeth
- KnightDisciple
7 people have voted
[X][MISC] Continue to establish protective outposts in fringe Federation systems
- Derek58
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- cast2007
- HearthBorn
- Gingganz
- Muer'ci
5 people have voted
[X][MISC] Reports of a Honiani tramp moving through Arcadian space should be looked at.
- Erandil
- Night_stalker
- cast2007
- Briefvoice
- JesseJ
2 people have voted
[X][FRG] Assign TF 2, ka'Sharren's people
- Finagle007
- KnightDisciple
1 people have voted
[x] Simon_Jester
- AlphaDelta

lbmaian · May 15, 2017

Tally that works with tasks and delegation:

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1878 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0

Task: LAIO

[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
No. of Votes: 37

[X][LAIO] Focus on the Advanced Laian Research Institute - They have worked with a number of mentats in the past, and may be able to help unknot some of their superscience traps
No. of Votes: 20

——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: KED

[X][KED] Allow the Ked Paddah to destroy the research station debris.
No. of Votes: 34

[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
No. of Votes: 26

——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: FRG

[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
No. of Votes: 55

[X][FRG] Assign TF 2, ka'Sharren's people
No. of Votes: 2

Finagle007
KnightDisciple

——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: MISC

[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
No. of Votes: 46

[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
No. of Votes: 36

[X][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.
No. of Votes: 33

[X][MISC] Have retired Admiral Kahurangi start appealing for recruits for Starfleet and the member world fleets.
No. of Votes: 29

[x][MISC] Start a discreet program of tachyon tracking devices along the main routes between Arcadian star systems, like in Orion space.
No. of Votes: 24

[X][MISC] Continue to establish protective outposts in fringe Federation systems
No. of Votes: 7

Derek58
cast2007
Erandil
Gingganz
HearthBorn
Muer'ci
Night_stalker

[X][MISC] Reports of a Honiani tramp moving through Arcadian space should be looked at.
No. of Votes: 5

Erandil
Briefvoice
cast2007
JesseJ
Night_stalker

Total No. of Voters: 64

Doesn't change results.

OneirosTheWriter · May 15, 2017

[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
[X][KED] Allow the Ked Paddah to destroy the research station debris.
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni

[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
[X][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.

==============

Thanks, guys. Hmm, some close and ... not so close votes in there.

MTB · May 15, 2017

OneirosTheWriter said:
Thanks, guys. Hmm, some close and ... not so close votes in there.

Some options were no-brainers, some others - you did restrict the number of things that could be chosen.

Briefvoice · May 15, 2017

Two pairs of them combine nicely

[][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed + [][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.

Make a lot of sense together.

[][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them. + [][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.

Also make sense together. If you're going to investigate the local politics, make sure the local intelligence team is reinforced.

AKuz · May 15, 2017

Briefvoice said:
Two pairs of them combine nicely

[][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed + [][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.

Make a lot of sense together.

[][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them. + [][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.

Also make sense together. If you're going to investigate the local politics, make sure the local intelligence team is reinforced.

Yes, as a voter, I'm fairly pleased with how the vote turned out.

As a seamstress I am, of course, appalled.

Void Stalker · May 15, 2017

AKuz said:
Yes, as a voter, I'm fairly pleased with how the vote turned out.

As a seamstress I am, of course, appalled.

Don't worry we are sending Nash your way for a new fitting. You can talk with her about it.

Simon_Jester · May 15, 2017

Theunderbolt said:
I see that even in the future we can't escape the dreaded lens flare.

Leslie:

"Way I see it, it's one of the questions we go out into space to answer. Who the hell left all those lenses out there, anyway? And why do they flare so much?"

AKuz said:
Yes, as a voter, I'm fairly pleased with how the vote turned out.

As a seamstress I am, of course, appalled.

Leslie:

"Look on the bright side. You'd go stale if everything went your way. Imagine spending the next hundred years with no one but Klingons to out-sneaky."

AKuz · May 15, 2017

Simon_Jester said:
Leslie:

"Way I see it, it's one of the questions we go out into space to answer. Who the hell left all those lenses out there, anyway? And why do they flare so much?"

Leslie:

"Look on the bright side. You'd go stale if everything went your way. Imagine spending the next hundred years with no one but Klingons to out-sneaky."

The Klingons don't even have a proper intelligence service! They just have a guy with a sword that hits you and takes your stuff! No game at all anymore. > : <

UbeOne · May 15, 2017

I would think that Klingon Intelligence people are as sneaky as Romulans. Their sense of honor would be in terms of helping the Empire achieve victory by whatever means. Besides, inter-House affairs are cloak and dagger stuff, right?

Jenny · May 15, 2017

AKuz said:
The Klingons don't even have a proper intelligence service!

Or they have one so sneaky that the Tal Shiar - er, I mean, a perfectly ordinary seamstress - doesn't know they even exist!

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