Then the answer to "What would it look like if we kept two tasks forces?" would amount to keeping all the Starfleet ships we have there right now in place, since they amount to about two task force worth. (I guess we could let the EC ships go back on their 5YMs.)
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Then the answer to "What would it look like if we kept two tasks forces?" would amount to keeping all the Starfleet ships we have there right now in place, since they amount to about two task force worth. (I guess we could let the EC ships go back on their 5YMs.)
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And she's one ship, and a D3 frigate at that. Put an Excelsior or the Cheron with the Yukikaze so we actually catch events and so our response doctrine is supported properly. The SBZ is a crucial diplomatic zone in the coming year with continued pushes on the Yrillians and with developments out of the Sydraxian government.
She does that and she is sure to get fired no matter who is president because nobody sane likes the idea of the commander of Starfleet conspiring against the Fed Council/its president... And it would most likely destroy most of the political goodwill we (ala The Federation) got over the last few decades and get back to Starfleet being viewed suspicion and mistrust (especially once we add in the whole old federation, human commander against newly joined, alien president dimension which will look no matter how justified...).
It would be an amateur move and completely unnecessary considering Sousa has more than enough connections with the various political actors to get her will in a far more overt manner..
Starfleet is actually not supposed to be not nearly as militaristic as it currently is (especially in the mindset of its officers) with the current offical explanation (by Oneiros) being that it current format is mostly due to after-effects of the whole Klingon and Romulan conflicts.
It currently indeed operates like a military (which is why I for one have often complained about how insane the Federation leadership has to be to allow such a massive concentration of power into such an organization) but it ideally shouldn't be...
If Starfleet wasn't supposed to be special we would have far less problems with recruitment and the transfer of officers from memberworlds...
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You have Torbriel in both the LBZ and the RBZ. Also not entirely comfortable with just two ships in the CBZ.
Edit: To fix, take Inspire from the Tellar sector to the RBZ. Leaves Tellar with only one ship, but that's not the end of the world.
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You know, N'Gir is actually being pretty goddamn weird. Possibly suspiciously so. Like, her background is Industralist, but she's running around starting wars, complaining about losses in those wars, and then borderline-threatening Sousa with 'hey in an alternate reality where this went slightly shittier I'd fire you :3'
However what's really bothering me is referring to an Excelsior as a battlecruiser. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but she's an industrialist and a Caitian. For the former, why would she such an aggressive term for an Excelsior stuck in her head? Presumably she'd use the industry-standard terms, the Caitians are in the process of building one and as far as I can tell from searching the thread they don't refer to theirs as a battle cruiser. That's even assuming she'd come across the term as applied to Excelsiors while in industry, if she dealt with them at all! The fuck is a Development faction member doing running around calling Excelsiors battlecruisers? 'Horrible waste of time and money' - yes. 'Sausage to justify our beautiful infrastructure' - yes. 'Project ST-99A Production Model Exploration Capital Ship" - yes.
So then I thought, "Well wait, it mentions she's from the Caitian political class, so it's possible she picked it up from her friends and colleagues." Except that A ) Caitians don't have battlecruisers and B ) They've hung around the Federation long enough to know they're Explorers and then Cap Ships. If there was any slip she should have called it a fathership. What fucking gives? E: Obviously there's enough room in there for reasonable doubt, especially if this is, again a thing I am way overthinking and Oneiros didn't put much thought into it.
But to really go off the deep end, I leave this quote I dug up while looking for evidence of Caitians referring to Excelsiors as battlecruisers. I'll let you draw conclusions:
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Wasn't there a Caitian ambassador who was replaced by a Lecarre agent?
I think you have too many ships deployed in the GBZ for the current situation there. The only reason to send that many ships there would be if we planned an offensive against the Cardassian starbase/area of operation which is however something i don't think is politically possible/desirable in the moment (and if we wanted such an aggressive course I think that it is not enough combat power since the Craddassian are likely to respond to such a massive mobilisation with a similar force). Lets build up our position before we try to confront the big bad there...
Smarter in my opinion to strengthen the Klingon and Borderzone and station a strong reserve in the CBZ and Apinae sector (where it is still near enough to quickly react to developments in the GBZ) or drop a few more ships in the Sydraxian zone to strengthen the diplomatic moves there and support for a example a possible diplomatic outreach towards the Gretarians..
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Now you understand why Linderley is the way he is.me rn
Thanks for catching the Tobriel's double-booking!
I was uncomfortable about two ships in the CBZ as well... then I asked myself why. It's not like the days of constant skirmishing 5 years back. If the Cardassian start trouble then it's going to be a war fleet, and one ship more or less won't make much difference. I also feel paradoxically more secure about them as long as the GBZ conflict is raging.... actually here is something I've been thinking for a while but had not quite put into words.
IMO the Cardassians will sign a peace treaty in the GBZ and wait at least six months before starting a general war.
So when they start putting out feelers to draw "final border lines" in Gabriel, that's when you'll know they're planning their real attack. Why? Because it's just too dangerous for them to start a general war as long as we have a massed fleet in the Gabriel Expanse, right on their border. They want all the Federation ships properly dispersed, not a fleet pre-massed for a counterstrike.
Got to admit, I don't understand the logic there. What does "build up our position" mean if not putting a lot of ships in the Gabriel Warzone? Remember, we're still fighting over every inch of territory there, and the more of Gabriel we expand into the more ships we need to hold it all. Even without an offensive the bigger the fleet the better. Do you think the Cardassians will just leave us alone if they feel they can overwhelm our fleet in Gabriel?
I think it might be referring to Sousa's speech from earlier this quarter:
Probably something about her not seeing the difference between ships of war like the Arcadian battlecrusiers and explorers like our Excelsiors.
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President of Fedetation has been replaced by Leccare infiltratior?
That would be a headache.
That aside, president and diplo seevice head and some arcadian leaders being replaced and forcing an offensive war on the part of the federation with mentat insanity/apathy to consequences as the reason for it as an attempt to damage the heart (and ships) of the federation... I co uld see that hapening.
That, or the president is a bitch who alao does not get that the losses we sustained count as a miracle.
Bitch. (or just on shaky ground, politically)
Actually, I would love to see the average losses if that battle were to be run 10-20 times.
That would be a headache.
That aside, president and diplo seevice head and some arcadian leaders being replaced and forcing an offensive war on the part of the federation with mentat insanity/apathy to consequences as the reason for it as an attempt to damage the heart (and ships) of the federation... I co uld see that hapening.
That, or the president is a bitch who alao does not get that the losses we sustained count as a miracle.
Bitch. (or just on shaky ground, politically)
Actually, I would love to see the average losses if that battle were to be run 10-20 times.
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Actually there is an even simpler explanation; looking back through all the updates where "battlecruiser" has appeared it's been used to pretty much everyone's explorer class ships aside from the Excelsior.
Klingon's have battlecruisers, Cardassian's have battlecruisers, Amarkian's have battlecruisers. It just keeps coming up. So yeah, I think this is a sign that the president doesn't really see a difference between explorers like the Excelsiors and battlecruisers like the Riala or D-7 or Lorgot.
Remember that the Caitans are a fairly aggressive, young species that just came out of a war that was most likely awed by the technological capabilities of the Federation. She is aggressive because that is natural to her (she lacks the centuries of peaceful conflict resolution that the humans or Vulcans have) and she is utterly convinced in the superiority of the the Federation and its ships because that is her personal experience with it.
And I would really put down the battlecruiser comment to her different, more martial background. It doesn't seem that surprising to me that races like the Caitans or even Amarkians would view the Excelsiors as primary military ships and denote them as such, especially considering the rather aggressive use we made out of them during the time they have been members. With the GBZ ongoing, the Orion crisis, the armament race with the Cardassians and the Licori campaign it doesn't seem that surprising to me that our new members have a somewhat warped view of the primary use of our ships...
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You've doubled up the Torbriel here?
Good lord man it just raises more questions, look above that:
Now, does she mean explorers as in "Starfleet are people who explore" or is she using the old term for Capital Ships?
If the latter then N'Gir should absolutely know the term! Was she playing Candy Crush during the speech? Or was she playing CLOAKING CRUSH??????
The thing is, I am pretty sure that is a translated term for what they call their ships, not a Starfleet convention we put on them. And again, the Caitians don't have battlecruisers. They've hung out with us for a long time and know what we call our shit. Why battlecruiser??? Where did she pick that up from? I guess maybe by mistaking a Licori term for ours. That has potential.
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Linderley: "Fool, those only increase the potency of their mind control waves! Here, put on this solid tritanium hat. And don't let me hear you complain about your neck, the future of the Federation is at stake here!"
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What would the Science test to clone a ship via temporal paradox look like? Just wondering.
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Isn't that how tinfoil conspiracies start?
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"It's only paranoia if they aren't out to get you," says Linderley as he aims the phaser at the back of the creature impersonating Admiral Sousa.