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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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Iron Wolf said:
What Now?​
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I feel like Wolfe is way over-estimating how much Tartresis is "out". Sure they lost their cruiser, but on the other hand they're maybe the single most economically powerful house, with a their 'colony' planet bucking for member world status if they were in the Federation and having its own starbase. He sure does seem in a hurry to declare their Imperial ambitions dead based on no real evidence I can see.

EDIT: It's particularly weird since he classifies Bene as still "in", but they lost one cruiser and one frigate... exactly the same as Tartresis! What's the logic here?
 
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Briefvoice said:
I feel like Wolfe is way over-estimating how much Kortennon is "out". Sure they lost their cruiser, but on the other hand they're maybe the single most economically powerful house, with a their 'colony' planet bucking for member world status if they were in the Federation and having its own starbase. He sure does seem in a hurry to declare their Imperial ambitions dead based on no real evidence I can see.

EDIT: It's particularly weird since he classifies Bene as still "in", but they lost one cruiser and one frigate... exactly the same as Kortennon! What's the logic here?
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Because the Kortennons have T'Lorel banging down their door, and the Benes don't.
 
Briefvoice said:
I feel like Wolfe is way over-estimating how much Kortennon is "out". Sure they lost their cruiser, but on the other hand they're maybe the single most economically powerful house, with a their 'colony' planet bucking for member world status if they were in the Federation and having its own starbase. He sure does seem in a hurry to declare their Imperial ambitions dead based on no real evidence I can see.

EDIT: It's particularly weird since he classifies Bene as still "in", but they lost one cruiser and one frigate... exactly the same as Kortennon! What's the logic here?
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Out as in 'acceptable to the Federation to be in charge'. The context is that they're discussing if or if not to go to Gammon. He's saying once we continue with the op and break Kortennonn's power the Fed will only be really happy with either Bene house or Tartesis in control. IOW, that sentence is not about 'now' but things as they will (probably) be.

I would assume we're going to face off with the bulk of Kortennon fleet over Gammon so if we smush them there the Bene will have a slight edge, due to having more ships(?), a non-conquered home planet, and probably the favor of the Federation. What he's saying is it'll require more effort on the Fed's part to help Tartesis come out on top versus the Bene.
 
Apologies for the double post but I don't want to have someone miss an edit again. :p
Briefvoice said:
TOO FAST!!!! You responded so super fast, before I could edit in "Tartresis" instead of "Kortennon" like I meant to say in the first place! It's declaring Tarresis out that's weird.
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Oh lol, oops, too slow for my post.

I actually missed that the Bene had lost their cruiser in the Nash vs the Imperial fleet dustup, I think I mentally edited it to a Tartesis cruiser for some reason. That would put the Bene and Tartesis on relatively even footing after we Kool-Aid man our way into the Gammon system, right? I'll make appropriate edits.
 
How does the Renaissance class stand up to the Excelsior class? I am asking because there is no way that they wont have a part in the coming war with the Cardassians.
 
ExcelsiorS have higher combat and shields, but also a year longer build time and a bigger crew.

The Rennies are much more cost effective combatants, an Excelsior should win a one on one.
 
Hmm. You are right. For some reason my memory only said 4L on the Rennie.

So the Rennie is just as tough as an Excelsior with -1C, a year shorter build time and less crew.

The Excelsior has better S, P and D though, and the Excelsior-A adds more C, L, S and P
 
Alright, made some edits. I totally missed the Bene lost a cruiser as well and that Calamar had a Starbase, that puts Tartesis ahead if we manage to kill the Kortennon cruiser + most of its fleet. And Tartesis has the internal diplomacy teams, which will be helpful to any campaign to take the throne with or without bloodshed.

While writing it occured to me the Kortennon could try and slip back to Morshadd to take over there while Nash was busy with the Imperial fleet, but looking at the map that doesn't seem likely and also would probably require some bullshit precog to get the timing right.
 
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Iron Wolf said:
While writing it occured to me the Kortennon could try and slip back to Morshadd to take over there while Nash was busy with the Imperial fleet, but looking at the map that doesn't seem likely and also would probably require some bullshit precog to get the timing right.
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Though that would mean leaving behind their home system which contains a very large number of people who are absolutely pissed at them. I can't see them getting away clean and the rest of the empire really doesn't like them anyway. Even if they do manage to nab the throne the rest of the houses are very unlikely to accept them as their rulers.
 
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Thebigpieman said:
Though that would mean leaving behind their home system which contains a very large number who are absolutely pissed at them. I can't see them getting away clean and the rest of the empire really doesn't like them anyway. Even if they do manage to nab the throne the rest of the houses are very unlikely to accept them as their rulers.
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very much an outside gambit.
 
Thebigpieman said:
Though that would mean leaving behind their home system which contains a very large number of people who are absolutely pissed at them. I can't see them getting away clean and the rest of the empire really doesn't like them anyway. Even if they do manage to nab the throne the rest of the houses are very unlikely to accept them as their rulers.
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I must have missed something. why would the people on the Kortennon homeworld be pissed at them? Wouldn't they support them?
 
Joshrand1982 said:
I must have missed something. why would the people on the Kortennon homeworld be pissed at them? Wouldn't they support them?
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One, the Kortennon are medieval tyrants who work their people into the ground.

Two, the scenario we're talking about is them abandoning their holdings and people to us in order to capture the leaderless capital.
 
Nervos Belli said:
Two, the scenario we're talking about is them abandoning their holdings and people to us in order to capture the leaderless capital.
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This is unlikely. They can't take and hold the capital without an industrial base of their own. They might bet that the Federation will accept a Kortennon ruler though, at which point Atredis and Bene nor the Imperial House can do nothing to dislodge the Kortennon monarchy.

For a while at least.

I'd expect purges and civil war within several years. The Arcadian Empire is not a stable polity.
 
Joshrand1982 said:
I must have missed something. why would the people on the Kortennon homeworld be pissed at them? Wouldn't they support them?
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Also the only fleet assets left in Gammon would be those contributed by other houses, and if you think the Tartesis or Bene wouldn't respond to the news of a coup with one of their frigates suicide-torpedoing the superlaser and then they declare for Starfleet, you'll be unpleasantly surprised.
 
A large part of the problem is there is no one left to negotiate a peace with. We'd almost have to negotiate separately with each house at this point. Not to mention, leadership of the remaining combined fleet, and what the houses who backed the Emperor's policy to go to war will do now that the policy still exists but the Emperor does not. We simply may not be able to make peace until someone "wins" succession.
 
I would not be surprised if we end up with a Gammon and Ixaria De-mentat and -militarized zone (DMMZ) and then separate polities for Tartesis, Bene, and maybe an independent Morshadd government. Then assuming we can, we affiliate them. :D
 
To bad we can't buy one of their superweapons and point it at the Cardassians thereby killing two birds with one stone.
 
Joshrand1982 said:
To bad we can't buy one of their superweapons and point it at the Cardassians thereby killing two birds with one stone.
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Would that be something the Federation would do? I doubt it. Starships are one thing. Superweapons are another matter. They're also a resource sink, and they're only for war. Our ships can handle both wartime and peacetime duties, and one could have more of them instead of one superweapon.
 
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